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Replacment for Cessna 172

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Stovepipe


    @danmurphy, Norwegian Airlines didnt exist back then so it must have been SAS who were the flag carrier for Norway. The reason EI didn't go and get you is because of insurance; the Govt weren't prepared to cough up the extra amount to pay for War Risks on the aircraft so blame the Govt, not the airline, which was a State organisation back then.

    regards
    Stovepipe


  • Registered Users Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Leonidas BL


    https://twitter.com/IrishAirCorps/status/1142350999727874048

    The Cessna's were retired today. PC12 must be coming soon :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,699 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    When they are selling them if they throw in the rocket launchers I’ll put in a bid


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,950 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Now I know my eyesight isn't quite what it was, but I'd bet my mother-in-law I just saw a PC-12 in silvery grey in the skies over Liffey Valley making its way at a good lick towards Baldonnell.

    Any piccies lads?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,699 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Any word on how the ATR MPA went down?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,950 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    roadmaster wrote: »
    Any word on how the ATR MPA went down?

    I presume you don't mean one crashed. Was there a tyre kicking visit?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,699 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    I presume you don't mean one crashed. Was there a tyre kicking visit?

    Yeah I seen in the aircraft forum that there was a Italian military ATR MPA over for the sales pitch


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,910 ✭✭✭sparky42


    roadmaster wrote: »
    Yeah I seen in the aircraft forum that there was a Italian military ATR MPA over for the sales pitch


    Seems a strange pivot to them given the relatively small military user base of the design and the knowledge base of the Casa usage. Though with the DOD I'm sure we'll end up with something like this.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,699 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    sparky42 wrote: »
    Seems a strange pivot to them given the relatively small military user base of the design and the knowledge base of the Casa usage. Though with the DOD I'm sure we'll end up with something like this.

    The atr YouTube videos look good! You never know they might surprise everyone and also buy pure transport aircraft


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,910 ✭✭✭sparky42


    roadmaster wrote: »
    The atr YouTube videos look good! You never know they might surprise everyone and also buy pure transport aircraft


    Again though a pure Cargo Casa 295 would surely make more sense than a civve aircarft?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,699 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    sparky42 wrote: »
    Again though a pure Cargo Casa 295 would surely make more sense than a civve aircarft?

    Suppose it depends on weather the replacement is going to be a jack of all trades or just MPA. Would the PC 12’s be able for MPA work or would the salt do damage from low flying


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,950 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    roadmaster wrote: »
    Suppose it depends on weather the replacement is going to be a jack of all trades or just MPA. Would the PC 12’s be able for MPA work or would the salt do damage from low flying

    I guess it depends two things, the level of ISTAR fitout and the permitted range and endurance offshore with a single engine. They could probably do some top cover if needed but they aren't in any way a substitute.

    You'd have to imagine the 295 is in pole position for the MPA, the lack of rear ramp on the ATR is a big drawback considering we don't have any other ramped transports.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Psychlops


    Rear ramp is necessary, I have my money on C295M's.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,910 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    You'd have to imagine the 295 is in pole position for the MPA, the lack of rear ramp on the ATR is a big drawback considering we don't have any other ramped transports.


    You'd have to think so, but with the procurement system in the DOD...


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,699 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    If they went with the 295 would the pilots just need a simple upgrade course or would they be looking at having to train on it the same as any other aircraft?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,699 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    sparky42 wrote: »
    You'd have to think so, but with the procurement system in the DOD...

    Would the DOD be willing to take Side deals when buying aircraft like other countries?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,910 ✭✭✭sparky42


    roadmaster wrote: »
    Would the DOD be willing to take Side deals when buying aircraft like other countries?


    Doubt it.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,285 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    roadmaster wrote: »
    When they are selling them if they throw in the rocket launchers I’ll put in a bid

    Hell, I'll take them without rocket launchers. There seems to be a lack of reasonable aircraft rental options around where I am, and a purchase may or may not be a reasonable option for me. Plus the 172 is something I'm quite comfortable flying.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,699 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    If someone buys them would a lot of work have to be done considering there age or where they kept top shape


  • Registered Users Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Leonidas BL


    roadmaster wrote: »
    If someone buys them would a lot of work have to be done considering there age or where they kept top shape

    I wonder would ya get vintage tax and insurance on them??


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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,950 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    No doubt the 172s have been well maintained, but are they all even airworthy still? I'd be shocked to see them offered for sale, I think the safest thing would be to scrap them or at least break them for parts not subject to fatigue, after all its not a squadron of some rare piston engined fighter.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,699 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    With the 172s gone what will do target towing now?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,910 ✭✭✭sparky42


    roadmaster wrote: »
    With the 172s gone what will do target towing now?


    When was the last time that was done anyway?


  • Registered Users Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Leonidas BL


    roadmaster wrote: »
    With the 172s gone what will do target towing now?

    Use a hot air balloon, that's all they'd be able to catch anyway


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,285 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    No doubt the 172s have been well maintained, but are they all even airworthy still? I'd be shocked to see them offered for sale, I think the safest thing would be to scrap them or at least break them for parts not subject to fatigue, after all its not a squadron of some rare piston engined fighter.

    You'll be amazed at the age of 172s which are in routine civilian service, even those at flight schools which get used all but around the clock. Have a look at trade-a-plane and see the years of manufacture.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Stovepipe


    I started my aviation career on those Cessnas (208 being my first) and those Cessnas are the best maintained in the country, bar none. I have worked on many Irish civvy Cessnas and others and some of them are corroded junk. For their age, they have low hours on their airframes and engines and are in fine condition. There are already a few civilian Reims Rockets in Ireland and have been for many years, so getting them onto the civilian register would be simple enough, although, given the past record of the DoD, they'd chop them up rather than sell them.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,705 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,440 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    What are they going to give pilot training in now?

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Leonidas BL


    Markcheese wrote: »
    What are they going to give pilot training in now?

    I seen the PC-9's flying around here so I presume they are taking over its roles for now??


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,910 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Markcheese wrote: »
    What are they going to give pilot training in now?
    Thought the PC9's have been doing all the pilot training, the Cessna's have been used for everything and anything that have been needed.


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