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Replacment for Cessna 172

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭un5byh7sqpd2x0


    Psychlops wrote: »
    Would you ever just go away. Also no such thing as "Aer Force" as we have an AIR CORPS. The only Organisation with AER in their title in the Nation is AER LINGUS. If you want to address the Air Corps please address them correctly as The Irish Air Corps or An tAerchór.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭Heraldoffreeent


    Aer Rianta has aer in its title Psycops! Point of information.

    Point of act Johnny, Air head has Air head in it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,085 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    Most educational. Thanks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,085 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    Ah now thats not very nice...


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Psychlops


    Badly written article said the plane had air corps markings etc...whereas the photo shows it doesn't!
    Anyways...I stand corrected on the spelling issue which caused such offence, and I seriously think this aircraft in the right level of fit out would make an excellent component of VIP air wing. Not suitable for intercontinental trips but well capable of taking a few ministers and aides off to Brussels London Berlin Paris etc.


    We have no VIP Air Wing, this isnt the US Air Force.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,085 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    Its not called the VIP air wing...thats a generic term. We have now got one government jet..used to have two which are used for VIP / ministerial transport. Night night!


  • Registered Users Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Leonidas BL


    Its not called the VIP air wing...thats a generic term. We have now got one government jet..used to have two which are used for VIP / ministerial transport. Night night!

    Ah jaysus. Surely the new PC-12 could be kitted out to bring them somewhere in an emergency. A Skoda Rapid is good enough for them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Psychlops


    Its not called the VIP air wing...thats a generic term. We have now got one government jet..used to have two which are used for VIP / ministerial transport. Night night!


    One Government jet is plenty, no more are needed, in fact is should be done away with, if the Royal Family can charter or fly BA then Leo should too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,950 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    That's why I used the word military

    On that basis, the Irish Air Corps has just 2 military airframes, the CASAs, purpose built as military spec transport / patrol.

    The PC9s are trainers and not combat aircraft and the remaining airframes, fixed and rotary are all civilian designs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,950 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Psychlops wrote: »
    One Government jet is plenty, no more are needed, in fact is should be done away with, if the Royal Family can charter or fly BA then Leo should too.

    Thats not a direct comparison, but like the President and Taoiseach, the UK Royals, particularly the Queen, only fly commercial if its suitable.

    Otherwise 32 squadron RAF have an A330 voyager modified to include VIP transport accommodation, a couple of BAE 146s and A109 copters and the Royal Household has an S-76 it operates itself in Royal colours for use by senior family members. The UK Govt also charters private aircraft for Royal and Govt trips if needed.

    I've always cited the RNZAF's 2 x 757s with modular fittings to allow for troop transport, civilian airlift, freight, or VIP ops. While the Air Corps doesn't need that level of capacity, something in the A320 family as a flag flying state owned aircraft to serve as an on-call airlift, air ambulance, troop carrier and resupply, citizen rescue / repatriation and VIP transport would be a worthy investment.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,085 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    I agree Larbre, I think one of them Embraer E195's would be ideal. Probably a great time to pick up a bargain with many airlines cancelling or deferring orders. We could have a look at the Tucano while we're out there as a possible PC9 replacement and maybe a couple of them now KC 390 airlifters in to the bargain. Could probably get a killer deal in the package.


  • Registered Users Posts: 871 ✭✭✭Remind me


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    Thats not a direct comparison, but like the President and Taoiseach, the UK Royals, particularly the Queen, only fly commercial if its suitable.

    Otherwise 32 squadron RAF have an A330 voyager modified to include VIP transport accommodation, a couple of BAE 146s and A109 copters and the Royal Household has an S-76 it operates itself in Royal colours for use by senior family members. The UK Govt also charters private aircraft for Royal and Govt trips if needed.

    I've always cited the RNZAF's 2 x 757s with modular fittings to allow for troop transport, civilian airlift, freight, or VIP ops. While the Air Corps doesn't need that level of capacity, something in the A320 family as a flag flying state owned aircraft to serve as an on-call airlift, air ambulance, troop carrier and resupply, citizen rescue / repatriation and VIP transport would be a worthy investment.

    Well said.

    It is a joke that the Taoiseach had regularly flown to Brussels in a Casa.

    People see massive cost in decking out an aircraft for 'VIP' use but weigh it up against last minute fares, change of fare, luggage cost, business class fares, many possible uses of a government key as said above and it is a worthwhile investment.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Psychlops


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    On that basis, the Irish Air Corps has just 2 military airframes, the CASAs, purpose built as military spec transport / patrol.

    The PC9s are trainers and not combat aircraft and the remaining airframes, fixed and rotary are all civilian designs.




    The Irish PC-9's are actually designated the PC-9M M standing for the Military version of the PC-9.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Psychlops


    I agree Larbre, I think one of them Embraer E195's would be ideal. Probably a great time to pick up a bargain with many airlines cancelling or deferring orders. We could have a look at the Tucano while we're out there as a possible PC9 replacement and maybe a couple of them now KC 390 airlifters in to the bargain. Could probably get a killer deal in the package.




    I love how you continually flag aircraft X,Y,Z as perfect for the Air Corps & its always a new type of aircraft, the Air Corps have been the launch customer indeed for some aircraft being introduced to Military life, but on other forums with actual Military Air Corps personnel posting there that are now possibly retired they have the common agreement that that is the wrong way to go & the correct way is to buy something tried & tested yet you want the Air Corps to be launch customer for this that & everything in between. No sense.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Psychlops


    . We could have a look at the Tucano while we're out there as a possible PC9 replacement


    Why would you want the Tucano as a PC-9M replacement? Its slower, has a poorer rate of climb, lower service ceiling. Why are you effectively taking a step backwards?


    After the PC-9M those Pilots should be transitioning to a jet aircraft like the Hawk T2, remember also the PC-9M was bought to give pilots a jet like experience so the next aircraft they stepped into would have been a jet.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,699 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    IRL280 is at it again in the north this morning and now in Scotland. There spending more time out of the state than it it!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,910 ✭✭✭sparky42


    roadmaster wrote: »
    IRL280 is at it again in the north this morning and now in Scotland. There spending more time out of the state than it it!

    Maybe they can convince the government about getting some more?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭Heraldoffreeent


    sparky42 wrote: »
    Maybe they can convince the government about getting some more?

    Whaaaat??? And not spend it on SE4's to show Jonny Rooshian who's boss????


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭punchdrunk


    Whaaaat??? And not spend it on SE4's to show Jonny Rooshian who's boss????

    I hear we’ve a new tail-gunner course starting next month


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,699 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    I hope the new PC12 is not on a PCP plan as they are clocking up serious hours since they got it


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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,950 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Its no surprise really. The 172s were rightly retired but left the AC with a massive operational hole just as utility aircraft were urgently needed for this emergency.

    Hopefully the current crisis won't delay too long the completion of 281, 2 and 3 and that 280 can withdraw to have its paint scheme and specialist equipment fitted. In the meantime, shes a great asset to have and well done to all who worked to procure and press her into service.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,699 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    Its no surprise really. The 172s were rightly retired but left the AC with a massive operational hole just as utility aircraft were urgently needed for this emergency.

    Hopefully the current crisis won't delay too long the completion of 281, 2 and 3 and that 280 can withdraw to have its paint scheme and specialist equipment fitted. In the meantime, shes a great asset to have and well done to all who worked to procure and press her into service.

    I think they said somewhere 280 will just be painted with no equipment and just be a proper bog standard utility aircraft


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    Its no surprise really. The 172s were rightly retired but left the AC with a massive operational hole just as utility aircraft were urgently needed for this emergency.

    What utility would the 172s have offered at this time?


  • Registered Users Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Leonidas BL


    donvito99 wrote: »
    What utility would the 172s have offered at this time?

    Counting seals :P


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,950 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    roadmaster wrote: »
    I think they said somewhere 280 will just be painted with no equipment and just be a proper bog standard utility aircraft

    Good. An Taoiseach nua Meehole will need dropping home to Cork of a Friday.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Stovepipe


    In America and the UK,light aircraft like the Cessna 172 have been delivering PPE, food, water and medical personnel to communities in need. The Civil Air Patrol in both countries have been actively engaged in this. Helicopters and even microlights have made urgent deliveries in the UK because they can land in fields/short runways/roads and deliver equipment right to the user.


  • Registered Users Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Leonidas BL


    Stovepipe wrote: »
    In America and the UK,light aircraft like the Cessna 172 have been delivering PPE, food, water and medical personnel to communities in need. The Civil Air Patrol in both countries have been actively engaged in this. Helicopters and even microlights have made urgent deliveries in the UK because they can land in fields/short runways/roads and deliver equipment right to the user.

    Didn't Norway use an F-16 to deliver something fairly lively?

    https://www.businessinsider.com/afp-norwegian-fighter-jet-helps-save-dying-patient-2016-4?r=US&IR=T


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,464 ✭✭✭Sgt. Bilko 09



    They transported an emo device, 280 miles in like a stupid time. It was a two seater f-16


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,950 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Nice work, his average speed was Mach 0.9 of thereabouts. Quick enough to get the job done, slow enough to preserve every window on the west coast.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,464 ✭✭✭Sgt. Bilko 09


    Pc-12 It literally just ripped over my house, iT is in Dublin Airport


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