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Replacment for Cessna 172

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,440 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Okay, I just assumed that since the cesnas were the flying equivalent of a Nissan micra that they'd be the start of pilot training...

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,440 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Okay, I just assumed that since the cesnas were the flying equivalent of a Nissan micra that they'd be the start of pilot training...

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,910 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Markcheese wrote: »
    Okay, I just assumed that since the cesnas were the flying equivalent of a Nissan micra that they'd be the start of pilot training...


    Nah, for us they were used for other roles mainly in regards to the Troubles, since then I think they've just been used for whatever was needed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Leonidas BL


    sparky42 wrote: »
    Nah, for us they were used for other roles mainly in regards to the Troubles, since then I think they've just been used for whatever was needed.

    So ya trained in the PC-9 to fly the Cessna lol. No wonder they're all leaving


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭Heraldoffreeent


    So ya trained in the PC-9 to fly the Cessna lol. No wonder they're all leaving

    PC-9 wasn't around during the troubles, which is what Sparky referred to.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Leonidas BL


    PC-9 wasn't around during the troubles, which is what Sparky referred to.

    He also referred to being used for "whatever was needed" since then, which in my mind means they are the mainstay of the Air Corps fleet. So you train on the PC-9 and move on to the Cessna's, correct?


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,440 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    I suppose the cesnas were relatively cheap to operate, and the high wings are good for visability,
    I'm kinda surprised they're not being kept on, Dod will get Feic all for selling them, they're probably impeccably maintained and cost buttons to run (relatively)...

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,950 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Markcheese wrote: »
    I suppose the cesnas were relatively cheap to operate, and the high wings are good for visability,
    I'm kinda surprised they're not being kept on,

    They are heading for 50 years old in fairness and their capabilities are light years behind the Spectres replacing them. For a service that struggles for manpower and physical resources, there would be no justification for keeping them on inventory.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,085 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    That south african job that somebody posted a while back looks pretty interesting!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,910 ✭✭✭sparky42


    That south african job that somebody posted a while back looks pretty interesting!
    What?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Leonidas BL


    That south african job that somebody posted a while back looks pretty interesting!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,085 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    Grob 120 TP is the obvious choice for basic trainer to replace Cessnas. RAF use them and many other air forces. Not too pricy, so a half dozen wouldn't break the bank and could come in handy for border surveillance etc. German quality as well.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,910 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Grob 120 TP is the obvious choice for basic trainer to replace Cessnas. RAF use them and many other air forces. Not too pricy, so a half dozen wouldn't break the bank and could come in handy for border surveillance etc. German quality as well.


    But as pointed out the Cessna's aren't used as trainers.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,085 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    sparky42 wrote: »
    But as pointed out the Cessna's aren't used as trainers.

    That seems odd. Seeing as they are the most basic plane in the fleet and are generally the first aircraft a student pilot flies. I've flown them meself!
    Anyway. I reckon the Grob is pretty versatile and could perform a number of useful roles. Also...it doesn't rust as it's made of a composite material


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,085 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    Anybody had a look at that Cirrus jet? Tis as cheap as chips though a bit on the slow side.
    Not used by military at the moment but wonder if it could take over the Reims Cessna role? They only cost about 2 million a pop so half a dozen wouldn't break the bank!


  • Registered Users Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Leonidas BL


    Anybody had a look at that Cirrus jet? Tis as cheap as chips though a bit on the slow side.
    Not used by military at the moment but wonder if it could take over the Reims Cessna role? They only cost about 2 million a pop so half a dozen wouldn't break the bank!

    I thought it was common knowledge that the PC-12's were replacing the Cessna's??


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,950 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Anybody had a look at that Cirrus jet? Tis as cheap as chips though a bit on the slow side.
    Not used by military at the moment but wonder if it could take over the Reims Cessna role? They only cost about 2 million a pop so half a dozen wouldn't break the bank!

    No.

    Nowhere near the capacity, nowhere near the endurance, the Cirrus is for rich ranchers. As has been said, the PC-12 Spectres are at the trimmers, €10.8 million each, its over and done.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,085 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    No.

    Nowhere near the capacity, nowhere near the endurance, the Cirrus is for rich ranchers. As has been said, the PC-12 Spectres are at the trimmers, €10.8 million each, its over and done.

    Great stuff. Bring em on!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,910 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Reports that the AC is getting another PC12 straight from the factory with a bog standard fit out, expected to be arriving soon enough.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Psychlops


    Arriving in civvy livery & pressed right into service, will be painted to a Military colour a short time after, Don Lavery broke this on Twitter today, great news.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,699 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    sparky42 wrote: »
    Reports that the AC is getting another PC12 straight from the factory with a bog standard fit out, expected to be arriving soon enough.

    Was this a planned buy?


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,440 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    sparky42 wrote: »
    Reports that the AC is getting another PC12 straight from the factory with a bog standard fit out, expected to be arriving soon enough.

    Why am I always suspicious of anything announced on April 1st ...

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,910 ✭✭✭sparky42


    roadmaster wrote: »
    Was this a planned buy?
    Nope, the order was for 3 and all of them are over in the states getting their ISTAR fit out.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,910 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Markcheese wrote: »
    Why am I always suspicious of anything announced on April 1st ...


    Technically the story came out today, though we'll just have to wait and see for official word.
    https://twitter.com/donlav/status/1244653851715739650


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,950 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I'd say this purchase was very much a case of the AC being caught with its pants down, vis a vis the virus. The Reims Cessnas were stood down last Autumn or whenever, and with the CASAs stretched between the probable medevac ops and trying to maintain some class of fishery protection with so many NS ships deployed to the Cities, all of a sudden, no fixed wing surveillance capability.

    It may amount to a low-tech solution and installing essentially handheld equipment far below the ISTAR spec, but having a 4th general utility aircraft for the long haul is no bad thing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,085 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    I wonder what bog standard fit out they are talking about?
    Seven to Nine seater passenger configutation?


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,950 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The twitter thread reporting it says 9 seater plus cargo.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,699 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Its amazing when they need something urgently how the money can be found. Are the cessnas still in casement or gone?


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,950 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Its not the money so much as the procurement burden. Fortunately in national emergencies you can do pretty much whatever you want in a hurry.

    I mean they're basically building a 450 bed hospital in Citywest without checking with anyone!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,910 ✭✭✭sparky42


    roadmaster wrote: »
    Its amazing when they need something urgently how the money can be found. Are the cessnas still in casement or gone?


    Well, yeah. The Commission has basically sidelined the Stability Pact, so the budget restrictions are put aside. There's also the fact that everything is being done at an emergency pace.


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