2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

astrofool · 20-09-2020 9:35pm

DangerScouse wrote: »

Poor old Joe. I'm wondering what the excuses will be in a few weeks time when he loses. The reality is the Democrats will have only themselves to blame. An open goal running against Trump and this is the best they can provide.

Biden still well ahead in the polls, and with a wave of countries heading back to lockdowns over the next 3 weeks, not much time for Trump to claim it's over, and make some gains, only chance for Trump now is he wins the debates somehow:
https://ig.ft.com/us-election-2020/

Think about it, if they were confident of winning, they wouldn't be pushing on getting a new SCOTUS in place so quickly.

Looking at the polling, it looks mostly like a revert to 2008/2012 Obama polling with a few oddities like Texas being in the mix. Wisconsin will probably be the bellwether of it all.

Kidchameleon · 20-09-2020 9:43pm

DangerScouse wrote: »

Poor old Joe. I'm wondering what the excuses will be in a few weeks time when he loses. The reality is the Democrats will have only themselves to blame. An open goal running against Trump and this is the best they can provide.

Joe will be classey and accept defeat. No doubt he will thank his supporters upon conceding unlike Hillary. I do fear there will be riots from the same people who have done so over the past few months only much, much worse.

1800_Ladladlad · 20-09-2020 10:26pm

What :pac::pac:

https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1307752575354261505

ohnonotgmail · 20-09-2020 10:29pm

DangerScouse wrote: »

This is just embarrassing now 200m dead lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANmcxW_-uA0

The Democrats need to put a stop to this.

The guy would have trouble running a lemonade stand never mind a country.

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

What :pac::pac:

https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1307752575354261505

I see today's talking points have been distributed.

Timberrrrrrrr · 20-09-2020 10:36pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I see today's talking points have been distributed.

Same posters, same tactics, no substance as usual. Maybe tomorrow they will post something that wasn't talked about and explained 12 hours previously.

namloc1980 · 20-09-2020 10:48pm

He lies to their face and they cheer. Trump supporters are beyond redemption. (In case you missed it there are two teleprompters in front of him)

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extra gravy · 20-09-2020 11:28pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Same posters, same tactics, no substance as usual. Maybe tomorrow they will post something that wasn't talked about and explained 12 hours previously.

I just report those posts now as they don't contribute anything worthwhile to the thread. Different day, same old rubbish.

dwayneshintzy · 21-09-2020 12:45am

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

You've posted doctored videos, and not responded when called out on it. You haven't said a word about Trump's town hall.

I'd be interested in your thoughts in both of those things.

1800_Ladladlad, post from a while ago. Notice you've been posting in the thread since.

Why were you posting doctored videos of Biden? What do you think of Trump's town hall from last week?

DangerScouse · 21-09-2020 7:12am

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

What :pac::pac:

https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1307752575354261505

By the end this speech no less :pac: Good old Joe. It's hard not to dislike him as he's obviously losing his marbles up top but how funny is it this guy is running for president

Cody montana · 21-09-2020 7:23am

DangerScouse wrote: »

By the end this speech no less :pac: Good old Joe. It's hard not to dislike him as he's obviously losing his marbles up top but how funny is it this guy is running for president

Did Trump not say they were sending an astronaut to “Nars” a few days ago?

namloc1980 · 21-09-2020 8:54am

Cody montana wrote: »

Did Trump not say they were sending an astronaut to “Nars” a few days ago?

Also called himself Donald Prump over the weekend. You can see the moment he has a brain glitch and has to reset.

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This actually happens quite often with Trump. Very strange.

ohnonotgmail · 21-09-2020 8:56am

namloc1980 wrote: »

Also called himself Donald Prump over the weekend. You can see the moment he has a brain glitch and has to reset.

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This actually happens quite often with Trump. Very strange.

He sounds pissed.

Wanderer78 · 21-09-2020 9:00am

Cody montana wrote:

Did Trump not say they were sending an astronaut to â€œNarsâ€ a few days ago?

Apparently he said something about disinfectant a few months ago, or something, I'm not really sure though, as I don't pay attention to him at all, there's no point really, tis only a waste of time

threeball · 21-09-2020 9:49am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

He sounds pissed.

He claims to be tee total but he sounds like he's sauced most of the time. Like a rambling drunk in a pub. Either that or all the cocaine has melted the few braincells he ever had.

ohnonotgmail · 21-09-2020 9:50am

threeball wrote: »

He claims to be tee total but he sounds like he's sauced most of the time. Like a rambling drunk in a pub. Either that or all the cocaine has melted the few braincells he ever had.

maybe his adderall was wearing off.

Brian? · 21-09-2020 9:54am

threeball wrote: »

He claims to be tee total but he sounds like he's sauced most of the time. Like a rambling drunk in a pub. Either that or all the cocaine has melted the few braincells he ever had.

I think it's loose dentures and age.

Cody montana · 21-09-2020 10:06am

namloc1980 wrote: »

Also called himself Donald Prump over the weekend. You can see the moment he has a brain glitch and has to reset.

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This actually happens quite often with Trump. Very strange.

He got his own name wrong!
I’m fairness, I chuckled a bit at that.

DangerScouse · 21-09-2020 10:07am

Biden is looking increasingly lost and confused up there. It would be the decent thing to do for the Democrats to have a word with him and have him step aside. He's an alright guy and deserves better than being made look so pathetic infront of the camera.

I fear for him come the debates.

Cody montana · 21-09-2020 10:14am

DangerScouse wrote: »

Biden is looking increasingly lost and confused up there. It would be the decent thing to do for the Democrats to have a word with him and have him step aside. He's an alright guy and deserves better than being made look so pathetic infront of the camera.

I fear for him come the debates.

And when he does alright in the debates, will we hear the excuses straight away?

“He was given the answers”

astrofool · 21-09-2020 10:15am

Brian? wrote: »

I think it's loose dentures and age.

Trump definitely showing signs of dementia, very dangerous to vote him in for another term.

ohnonotgmail · 21-09-2020 10:18am

Cody montana wrote: »

And when he does alright in the debates, will we hear the excuses straight away?

“He was given the answers”

have they not just tried that one? they seemed surprised that biden was actually well prepared for his town hall versus trump who was a mess. trump wont be able to handle Biden without his whooping and hollering base in front of him.

namloc1980 · 21-09-2020 10:23am

Cody montana wrote: »

And when he does alright in the debates, will we hear the excuses straight away?

“He was given the answers”

"It was an ambush" - that was the Fox News angle to excuse Trump's lies and incoherent babbling at his townhall.

Cody montana · 21-09-2020 10:30am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

have they not just tried that one? they seemed surprised that biden was actually well prepared for his town hall versus trump who was a mess. trump wont be able to handle Biden without his whooping and hollering base in front of him.

They did after the town hall.

Trump and his goons tried to paint Biden as senile and drooling in his basement.
This backfired after they Democratic convention and the town hall.

Leroy42 · 21-09-2020 10:32am

namloc1980 wrote: »

"It was an ambush" - that was the Fox News angle to excuse Trump's lies and incoherent babbling at his townhall.

Which is, of course, and acceptance that Trump had preformed terribly and thus they are looking for an excuse.

Its a pretty poor showing when even one of his biggest supporters, both Fix and Ingraham, can't even big up his performance but have to find ways to mitigate why it was so terrible.

To be fair to Trump, there is simply no way he could have seen questions about Covid and healthcare being brought up!

So was his performance down to him being unprepared, which is extremely worrying given that he has all the information and is 80 days out from election. Or he was unable to deal with the questions, which is also very worrying given that he is the POTUS and running for reelection.

The whole point of stepping outside his usual Fox News of interview bubble is to try to shift voters over to his and away from Biden. IN that respect,m the ABC town hall will be a disaster as he, IMO at least, won't have won anybody over based on that.

namloc1980 · 21-09-2020 10:37am

Leroy42 wrote: »

Which is, of course, and acceptance that Trump had preformed terribly and thus they are looking for an excuse.

Its a pretty poor showing when even one of his biggest supporters, both Fix and Ingraham, can't even big up his performance but have to find ways to mitigate why it was so terrible.

To be fair to Trump, there is simply no way he could have seen questions about Covid and healthcare being brought up!

So was his performance down to him being unprepared, which is extremely worrying given that he has all the information and is 80 days out from election. Or he was unable to deal with the questions, which is also very worrying given that he is the POTUS and running for reelection.

The whole point of stepping outside his usual Fox News of interview bubble is to try to shift voters over to his and away from Biden. IN that respect,m the ABC town hall will be a disaster as he, IMO at least, won't have won anybody over based on that.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1239605

He doesn't prepare. His ego won't allow him to because he genuinely believes he's a genius and geniuses don't prepare.

On the balance of probabilities at the debates between Trump making a complete embarrassing show of himself versus Biden drooling like a senile dotard on stage, the former is much more likely.

PropJoe10 · 21-09-2020 10:38am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

have they not just tried that one? they seemed surprised that biden was actually well prepared for his town hall versus trump who was a mess. trump wont be able to handle Biden without his whooping and hollering base in front of him.

If Biden doesn't acquit himself well in the debates then he'll only have himself to blame. He has about a zillion idiotic things that Trump has done to call upon. He just needs to avoid getting into an argument, stick to the facts, and let Trump make an absolute buffoon of himself, which is inevitable in itself.

dwayneshintzy · 21-09-2020 10:41am

DangerScouse wrote: »

Biden is looking increasingly lost and confused up there. It would be the decent thing to do for the Democrats to have a word with him and have him step aside. He's an alright guy and deserves better than being made look so pathetic infront of the camera.

I fear for him come the debates.

Who are you talking to? You've posted similar in the past, as have others. Is this just a general musing?

What do you think of the Trump videos on the previous page showing slips of the tongue and misspoken lines by Trump?

namloc1980 · 21-09-2020 10:51am

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Who are you talking to? You've posted similar in the past, as have others. Is this just a general musing?

What do you think of the Trump videos on the previous page showing slips of the tongue and misspoken lines by Trump?

The more the right wing media and Trump fans play up and believe that Biden has serious cognitive issues the better it is for Biden. I say let them at it.

Igotadose · 21-09-2020 10:52am

namloc1980 wrote: »

The more the right wing media and Trump fans play up and believe that Biden has serious cognitive issues the better it is for Biden. I say let them at it.

Yes, with any luck they've not worked out their talking points for the day after the debate when Trump's just a grease stain on the pavement after having been destroyed.

"ambushed" "Biden got the questions first" "Biased questioners" ....

namloc1980 · 21-09-2020 10:54am

Igotadose wrote: »

Yes, with any luck they've not worked out their talking points for the day after the debate when Trump's just a grease stain on the pavement after having been destroyed.

"ambushed" "Biden got the questions first" "Biased questioners" ....

Don't forget there will be manipulated videos also. The Trumpists love manipulated videos.

osarusan · 21-09-2020 10:55am

namloc1980 wrote: »

The more the right wing media and Trump fans play up and believe that Biden has serious cognitive issues the better it is for Biden. I say let them at it.

I said this earlier in the thread, or maybe in the previous thread.

All the efforts to paint Biden as suffering serious 'cognitive decline' (or whatever the phrase is that has been parroted endlessly on here) may well come back to haunt them if he does even a reasonable job at the debates.

Leroy42 · 21-09-2020 11:03am

One thing I have noticed, is the lack of energy with Trump. At least my memory says that in 2016 Trump was boundless energy, feeding off the crowds. He was clearly enjoying himself, although tbf he had little on the line back then. Nobody expected him to win.

Is it that not only is he tired but that people are as well? He has basically never stopped campaigning, holding his first election rally only a few months after being elected. But he doesn't seem to have anything to say. His speeches increasingly, although to some extent they always did, contain rambling sections that seem of no consequence to anyone. Talking about sharks, how people treat him different now he is POTUS etc.

And he hasn't been able to come to any hook line. in 2016 he had MAGA, Lock her Up, Build the Wallm, Drain the Swamp. What has he got this time? Biden is in cognitive decline? He certainly seems to me that they have run out of ideas.

mcmoustache · 21-09-2020 11:08am

DangerScouse wrote: »

Biden is looking increasingly lost and confused up there. It would be the decent thing to do for the Democrats to have a word with him and have him step aside. He's an alright guy and deserves better than being made look so pathetic infront of the camera.

I fear for him come the debates.

You keep posting variants of this comment. It was old and unoriginal a month ago and it hasn't gotten fresher.

Igotadose · 21-09-2020 11:11am

Leroy42 wrote: »

One thing I have noticed, is the lack of energy with Trump. At least my memory says that in 2016 Trump was boundless energy, feeding off the crowds. He was clearly enjoying himself, although tbf he had little on the line back then. Nobody expected him to win.

Is it that not only is he tired but that people are as well? He has basically never stopped campaigning, holding his first election rally only a few months after being elected. But he doesn't seem to have anything to say. His speeches increasingly, although to some extent they always did, contain rambling sections that seem of no consequence to anyone. Talking about sharks, how people treat him different now he is POTUS etc.

And he hasn't been able to come to any hook line. in 2016 he had MAGA, Lock her Up, Build the Wallm, Drain the Swamp. What has he got this time? Biden is in cognitive decline? He certainly seems to me that they have run out of ideas.

Also, let's be clear: this is the WORST economy in recorded history, the WORST pandemic since 1918 (when there was only limited public health and treatment options, certainly nothing like vaccines), an ever weakening international position, global disdain for the #IMPOTUS, oh and the fact that he was impeached. People know people who've died from Covid, who are out of work living day to day, who wait on enormous food bank lines. The endless stream of corruption has to have worn some supporters out. Plus a lot of his base is elderly, and Covid-19's hit them particularly hard.

All attributable to the #IMPOTUS's grotesque mishandling of the pandemic.

The bloom's off the rose. All the tGOP has left is abortion, to a lesser extent guns, and in the grand scheme that's only exciting for a subset of their voters. And the NRA are apparently in their death throes, being supplanted by less 'mainstream' gun rights groups. So, guns aren't as useful as an organized way to get out the votes.

Like all bad comedians, the #IMPOTUS's shtick has gotten old and people are tired of it.

duploelabs · 21-09-2020 11:38am

DangerScouse wrote: »

Biden is looking increasingly lost and confused up there. It would be the decent thing to do for the Democrats to have a word with him and have him step aside. He's an alright guy and deserves better than being made look so pathetic infront of the camera.

I fear for him come the debates.

Have you an independent thought of your own or are you going to keep trotting out this totally fabricated talking point not absolutely no one gives any creedance to bar the trumpettes

biko · 21-09-2020 11:51am

Canadian woman that tried to assassinate Trump by sending ricin to the White House arrested when she tried to cross into the US with a gun.

A woman suspected of sending a letter containing the poison ricin to President Donald Trump was arrested as she tried to enter the US from Canada at a border crossing in New York state, a US law enforcement official said.

The woman was carrying a gun and arrested by US authorities, according to the law enforcement official.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/20/politics/poison-ricin-addressed-trump-arrest/index.html

Danzy · 21-09-2020 12:20pm

biko wrote: »

Canadian woman that tried to assassinate Trump by sending ricin to the White House arrested when she tried to cross into the US with a gun.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/20/politics/poison-ricin-addressed-trump-arrest/index.html

See her in 2060.

relax carry on · 21-09-2020 12:29pm

DangerScouse wrote: »

Biden is looking increasingly lost and confused up there. It would be the decent thing to do for the Democrats to have a word with him and have him step aside. He's an alright guy and deserves better than being made look so pathetic infront of the camera.

I fear for him come the debates.

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Leroy42 · 21-09-2020 12:48pm

Thye weird thing is, Biden is actually quite an easy target, particularly if they go after his policy positions. The problem for Trump, and thus his supporters, is that Trump is actually even worse and as such the only real line of attack can be personal. But in any normal election Biden would be struggling as he hasn't been able, IMO, to lay out a clear policy agenda.

Ther is little talk about how he would actually deal with the major issues facing the US. Healthcare he is strong on because of ObamaCare, but even Democrats and I would propose even Obama, would accept that it can be better. What about climate change, the loss of manufacturing jobs, not just to China and other countries but automation etc. How will be deal with a divided or even outright senate? What about the democratic deficit in the country. What about the Electoral college? Infrastructure, the need to reduce the spend on the military, gun control, gerrymandering, corruption, lack of job security, rental security, social welfare. Education, access to college, reducing third level fees, student debt.

There are so many issues facing the US, but there seems so little actual discussion of them, or how to deal with them.

Penn · 21-09-2020 12:51pm

Prump.... Nars....

Donald must have been drinking a whole load of apple juice that day....

hotmail.com · 21-09-2020 12:58pm

Leroy42 wrote: »

Thye weird thing is, Biden is actually quite an easy target, particularly if they go after his policy positions. The problem for Trump, and thus his supporters, is that Trump is actually even worse and as such the only real line of attack can be personal. But in any normal election Biden would be struggling as he hasn't been able, IMO, to lay out a clear policy agenda.

Ther is little talk about how he would actually deal with the major issues facing the US. Healthcare he is strong on because of ObamaCare, but even Democrats and I would propose even Obama, would accept that it can be better. What about climate change, the loss of manufacturing jobs, not just to China and other countries but automation etc. How will be deal with a divided or even outright senate? What about the democratic deficit in the country. What about the Electoral college? Infrastructure, the need to reduce the spend on the military, gun control, gerrymandering, corruption, lack of job security, rental security, social welfare. Education, access to college, reducing third level fees, student debt.

There are so many issues facing the US, but there seems so little actual discussion of them, or how to deal with them.

It suits both parties not to discuss policy matters. This is supported by a media which is bored by policy matters.

This US Election is as usual dominated by culture identity rubbish and analysis of countless opinion polls. And other rubbish about what colour tie they are wearing.

Of course the death of an elderly judge is the prize for both parties. Anything bar discuss matters that actually affect people.

Danzy · 21-09-2020 1:03pm

Biden's party is more split on policy than Trump's.

The Reaganite Republicans have gone to Biden, his reputation as the Senator for MBNA preceding him.

Quite a large part of the party like Aoc and her views which are often far removed from blue collar Dems etc.

Someone will be disappointed if Joe talks policy too much.

Danzy · 21-09-2020 1:12pm

Biden's party is more split on policy than Trump's.

The Reaganite Republicans have gone to Biden, his reputation as the Senator for MBNA preceding him.

Quite a large part of the party like Aoc and her views which are often far removed from blue collar Dems etc.

Someone will be disappointed if Joe talks policy too much.

randd1 · 21-09-2020 1:34pm

Penn wrote: »

Prump.... Nars....

Donald must have been drinking a whole load of apple juice that day....

Wait a minute. That's not apple juice... Is Stormy here?

dwayneshintzy · 21-09-2020 5:40pm

Danzy wrote: »

Biden's party is more split on policy than Trump's.

The Reaganite Republicans have gone to Biden, his reputation as the Senator for MBNA preceding him.

Quite a large part of the party like Aoc and her views which are often far removed from blue collar Dems etc.

Someone will be disappointed if Joe talks policy too much.

AOC is quite a strong proponent of organized labor actually, which is traditionally one of the biggest issues for "blue collar Dems".

Republicans are certainly dead set on portraying any action on climate change as awful, of course. But apart from the Green New Deal (which I'd argue isn't anti-labour at all), what other views does AOC hold that are "far removed from blue collar Dems"?

namloc1980 · 22-09-2020 12:20am

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"Protesting stupidity" at a rally during a pandemic

Watch also at the end of the clip he has another one of those brain glitches and strange arm and shoulder spasms. These are getting more common. Very weird.

Timberrrrrrrr · 22-09-2020 6:34am

namloc1980 wrote: »

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"Protesting stupidity" at a rally during a pandemic

Watch also at the end of the clip he has another one of those brain glitches and strange arm and shoulder spasms. These are getting more common. Very weird.

On the left side, then moves around to lean against the podium.

Brian? · 22-09-2020 8:07am

Danzy wrote: »

Biden's party is more split on policy than Trump's.

The Reaganite Republicans have gone to Biden, his reputation as the Senator for MBNA preceding him.

Quite a large part of the party like Aoc and her views which are often far removed from blue collar Dems etc.

Someone will be disappointed if Joe talks policy too much.

This line of attack on AOC is ridiculous. She is a blue collar democrat. Her entire policy platform is pro labour: pro union, raise the minimum wage etc.

ohnonotgmail · 22-09-2020 8:30am

namloc1980 wrote: »

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"Protesting stupidity" at a rally during a pandemic

Watch also at the end of the clip he has another one of those brain glitches and strange arm and shoulder spasms. These are getting more common. Very weird.

every time he gives a speech he holds on to the podium for dear life. he struggles to stand still without one

timsey tiger · 22-09-2020 9:03am

Brian? wrote: »

This line of attack on AOC is ridiculous. She is a blue collar democrat. Her entire policy platform is pro labour: pro union, raise the minimum wage etc.

This line of attack is not stupid, it is very apt. AOC is correctly pointing out that we have to move away from an industrial model that pollutes.

While, this is necessary and for the good of society as a whole, it will mean devistation and poverty for people working in these industries. Many of these industries are longstanding and unionised.

These unions and workers will have to directly pay for the green new deal. AOCs policy goals will cost them their jobs. Granted they will lose their jobs anyway as industry moves away from fossil fuels, but that discomfort is down the line.

2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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