Deontay Wilder v Tyson Fury II - February 22nd

Morrison J · 18-02-2020 9:59pm #1

Who is everyone picking?

Think I'm just siding with Fury on points. When Fury is this focused we always see the best of him. Been in the States since before Christmas to train, changed to a more experienced trainer, he clearly isn't taking any shortcuts.

Think we'll see a better Wilder too mind, which is what makes this rematch so great. Just fancy Fury with his elusiveness, powers of recuperation and far superior boxing ability to last 12 and win on the cards.

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walshb · 19-02-2020 10:10am

Draw

I am going with Wilder via KO....

No result would surprise me. I just think that this time around, Wilder will be less scared and cautious and timid in letting his hands go.

Fury can win this if he avoids getting hit hard, and stinks the joint out with his usual pitter-patter boxing, or he could get Wilder out of there if he plants the feet and hits him hard and clean..36 minutes of not getting hit clean by Wilder is a big ask...

I really believe both men's chins are shaky...

ebbsy · 19-02-2020 10:12am

Fury via KO/TKO/DQ

Fury on points.

Wilder certainly did not deserve a draw in the first fight, even with those 2 knockdowns.

akelly02 · 19-02-2020 11:45am

Draw

Wilder KO

he always finishes the job second time round..........

Man Vs ManUre · 19-02-2020 11:50am

Similar to the ufc, it’s not possible for virgin media customer to watch this fight as it’s only on BT. Very disappointing. Their last fight was fantastic.

walshb · 19-02-2020 12:49pm

Draw

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

Similar to the ufc, it’s not possible for virgin media customer to watch this fight as it’s only on BT. Very disappointing. Their last fight was fantastic.

Apart from the couple dramatic moments, their last fight was sh1t..

No different really to Wlad-Fury....in the sense of spoiling and hugging and holding...

19-02-2020 12:51pm

Fury via KO/TKO/DQ

Fury to jab his way to a decision.

walshb · 19-02-2020 12:51pm

Draw

ebbsy wrote: »

Fury on points.

Wilder certainly did not deserve a draw in the first fight, even with those 2 knockdowns.

This is nonsense, with respect.

Are you suggesting that you could not entertain Wilder being awarded 3 rds out of the 10 rds where there was no knockdowns....?

yourdeadwright · 19-02-2020 2:42pm

Draw

Just seen an interview with Kugan
Fury suffering with a cold and cold sores hope he hasn't been to ill, Could be what Hearn was alluding to

yourdeadwright · 19-02-2020 2:42pm

Draw

walshb wrote: »

This is nonsense, with respect.

Are you suggesting that you could not entertain Wilder being awarded 3 rds out of the 10 rds where there was no knockdowns....?

Fury cleary won close rounds yes but in my eyes and most of boxing Fury clearly won

walshb · 19-02-2020 3:31pm

Draw

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Fury cleary won close rounds yes but in my eyes and most of boxing Fury clearly won

Clearly won close rds?

Some were toss up rds...very very close. Yo cannot win these rds clearly....

It's a nonsense to suggest that a draw could not be achieved..

yourdeadwright · 19-02-2020 3:43pm

Draw

walshb wrote: »

Clearly won close rds?

Some were toss up rds...very very close. Yo cannot win these rds clearly....

It's a nonsense to suggest that a draw could not be achieved..

There was close rounds that I felt still where Furys,
No surprise after the bell in the ring some of Wilders team even said to Fury they thought he won ,
Most of the boxing world had Fury winning that fight,,

Anyway its all if and buts at this stage ,

I think Wilder catches him in 7 this time I hope I'm wrong and Fury gets it done ,

Deiseboy01 · 19-02-2020 3:49pm

Fury via KO/TKO/DQ

Fury on points and this old joke explains my thinking...

Paddy gets arrested for beating his wife, the judge asks him "Paddy why do you keep beating her?"

Paddy replies, "I think it's my weight advantage, longer reach and superior footwork!"

Deiseboy01 · 19-02-2020 4:07pm

Fury via KO/TKO/DQ

walshb wrote: »

Apart from the couple dramatic moments, their last fight was sh1t..

No different really to Wlad-Fury....in the sens of spoiling and hugging and holding...

Agree, the UK hype machine would have you believe it was a modern classic however most rounds were boring. Typical Fury fight really.

The knock downs saved it as a spectacle.

walshb · 19-02-2020 4:10pm

Draw

Deiseboy01 wrote: »

Agree, the UK hype machine would have you believe it was a modern classic however most rounds were boring. Typical Fury fight really.

The knock downs saved it as a spectacle.

Exactky....Fury did a sh1t load of posing and messing and clowning, yet you hear nobody slate him for it...

It's professional boxing....standards just seem to nowhere in this day and age...

walshb · 19-02-2020 4:12pm

Draw

yourdeadwright wrote: »

There was close rounds that I felt still where Furys,
No surprise after the bell in the ring some of Wilders team even said to Fury they thought he won ,
Most of the boxing world had Fury winning that fight,,

Anyway its all if and buts at this stage ,

I think Wilder catches him in 7 this time I hope I'm wrong and Fury gets it done ,

Well, that is a spearate discussion, the amout of folks who thought Fury won vs. those who thought it was a draw or a Wilder win....

My point is that it's a nonsense to suggest that you could not argue Wilder winning 5 rds..

yourdeadwright · 19-02-2020 4:29pm

Draw

walshb wrote: »

Well, that is a spearate discussion, the amout of folks who thought Fury won vs. those who thought it was a draw or a Wilder win....

My point is that it's a nonsense to suggest that you could not argue Wilder winning 5 rds..

Its not nonsense its opinion,

Show time and BT both had Fury by 4 points and nearly every pro or ex pro had Fury for the win , As I said the majority of the boxing world thought Fury won the fight ,

Also as I said it doesn't matter now and we get a clear winner ( hopefully ) the weekend

Bobby Baccala · 19-02-2020 4:33pm

walshb wrote: »

Exactky....Fury did a sh1t load of posing and messing and clowning, yet you hear nobody slate him for it...

It's professional boxing....standards just seem to nowhere in this day and age...

BT have been sharing clips of fury sticking his tongue out at Wilder and all this shíte. They don’t seem to give the knockdowns he suffered anywhere near as much attention.

walshb · 19-02-2020 4:52pm

Draw

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Its not nonsense its opinion,

Show time and BT both had Fury by 4 points and nearly every pro or ex pro had Fury for the win , As I said the majority of the boxing world thought Fury won the fight ,

Also as I said it doesn't matter now and we get a clear winner ( hopefully ) the weekend

It's a nonsense when you say it with such certainty, and don't agree that one could argue that Wilder could also have been given some of the ten rds where there was no knockdowns...

In other words: "I thought Fury won the fight, but I can see that there wee some rds that were close enough, that arguing for Wilder to get them is acceptable."

yourdeadwright · 19-02-2020 5:07pm

Draw

walshb wrote: »

It's a nonsense when you say it with such certainty, and don't agree that one could argue that Wilder could also have been given some of the ten rds where there was no knockdowns...

In other words: "I thought Fury won the fight, but I can see that there wee some rds that were close enough, that arguing for Wilder to get them is acceptable."

Of course you can argue but I think Fury clearly won more rounds than Widler and won the fight even with Wilders 8- 10 rounds,

A round can be close but still obvious that someone edges it ,
For instance if I land 10 clean shots on you in a round and you land 8 on me , Its close but I'd still win the round,

For me like most of the boxing world Fury should have clearly won a close fight ,

walshb · 19-02-2020 5:21pm

Draw

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Of course you can argue but I think Fury clearly won more rounds than Widler and won the fight even with Wilders 8- 10 rounds,

A round can be close but still obvious that someone edges it ,
For instance if I land 10 clean shots on you in a round and you land 8 on me , Its close but I'd still win the round,

For me like most of the boxing world Fury should have clearly won a close fight ,

I know close rds can be still kind of clear..

I am saying that some rds were very close, and that they were not "clear" for either man.

yourdeadwright · 19-02-2020 5:25pm

Draw

walshb wrote: »

I know close rds can be still kind of clear..

I am saying that some rds were very close, and that they were not "clear" for either man.

In your opinion and that fine ,

simongurnick · 19-02-2020 6:04pm

I wonder if the 7 **** a day will have an unintended effect on Tyson? Might lead to a stiff arm and reduce punching power.
Anyone with personal experience on the matter feel free to comment.

Bobby Baccala · 19-02-2020 8:09pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

In your opinion and that fine ,

The draw was fair in my opinion, I think Fury won about 7 rounds but he was knocked down twice which makes the fight incredibly hard to call. Draw was the right result.

walshb · 20-02-2020 3:39pm

Draw

Any Sky TV people bought this from BT Box Office?

I did. 30 euro.......hope to god now I either stay awake or get up...

yourdeadwright · 20-02-2020 4:16pm

Draw

walshb wrote: »

Any Sky TV people bought this from BT Box Office?

I did. 30 euro.......hope to god now I either stay awake or get up...

I never stay up for them I just not able these days ,

I had planned to set the alarm and get up for it but only yesterday realised its a good friends 40th so if im out for a few beers no way i'll be able to get up

So unfortunately it'll be Sunday morning and the missus is out for breakfast with friends so it'll be mad house with the kids , Which is normally fine but have a 1 month old who needs plenty of attention,

So going be Sunday night before I get to sit down and watch it in detail

Really looking forward to it has real "big" fight feel

I'm still going Wilder but changed to round 5 ko ,
Iv said it plenty of times I think change of camp and style is wrong choice for Fury , but I hope i'm wrong ,

walshb · 20-02-2020 4:58pm

Draw

Did anyone catch the latest face off between the two? Two utter knobs.....

Fury is such a fooking poser....

Maybe I am alone, but all this contrived hype and hostility and braggadocio in combat sports is just pathetic...it's not funny, not needed, and just plain stupid! All this nonsense of "selling" the fight........eff off!

normanoffside · 20-02-2020 5:12pm

walshb wrote: »

Did anyone catch the latest face off between the two? Two utter knobs.....

Fury is such a fooking poser....

Maybe I am alone, but all this contrived hype and hostility and braggadocio in combat sports is just pathetic...it's not funny, not needed, and just plain stupid! All this nonsense of "selling" the fight........eff off!

Yeah, there was clip posted of them during the ad break and they were laughing and joking.
https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1230266967954796552

As soon as the cameras were back on it was back to selling the grudge.

yourdeadwright · 20-02-2020 5:48pm

Draw

normanoffside wrote: »

Yeah, there was clip posted of them during the ad break and they were laughing and joking.
https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1230266967954796552

As soon as the cameras were back on it was back to selling the grudge.

I don't think they gave a grudge but they both want to win ,

Fighting for sport is weird you try to make it just about the sport but at times you can forget that and get try to one up your opponent or show you won't be disrespected

You can have moments of being gentlemen and a shared laugh but if your opponent is sitting across from you and answer a question about you , (as in i'll do this that or he can't do this that ) You'll find very quickly you'll respond in kind and that where it gets heated ,

I don't think its manufactured they probably have every intention of being nice to each other but its the question that get you fired up , You don't want to hear someone tell they world what they will do without getting your side out ,

I think Fury has the mental edge , If you notice he can switch from angry squaring up to laughing Wilder can't he always follows Furys lead he get's caught up in it ,In a way Fury can control Wilder's emotions probably why he was so against being around Fury this time ,

skaface · 20-02-2020 8:30pm

What time will the fight actually start at, does anyone know thanks.

walshb · 20-02-2020 8:51pm

Draw

skaface wrote: »

What time will the fight actually start at, does anyone know thanks.

6 fights on main card. Fury the last fight..

Expect 05:30 Irish time start..

simongurnick · 21-02-2020 1:23am

normanoffside wrote: »

Yeah, there was clip posted of them during the ad break and they were laughing and joking.
https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1230266967954796552

As soon as the cameras were back on it was back to selling the grudge.

Tyson is a tonic.

weemcd · 21-02-2020 11:30am

“The Resistible Force vs The Movable Object II — The Rematch” by @mcdamien88 https://medium.com/@mcdamien88/the-resistible-force-vs-the-movable-object-ii-the-rematch-f4dc2c4634da

I've written out my thoughts on this one for anyone interested.

walshb · 21-02-2020 12:00pm

Draw

weemcd wrote: »

“The Resistible Force vs The Movable Object II — The Rematch” by @mcdamien88 https://medium.com/@mcdamien88/the-resistible-force-vs-the-movable-object-ii-the-rematch-f4dc2c4634da

I've written out my thoughts on this one for anyone interested.

Nice read, and well written...

As usual with Fury, there always seems to be excuses!!

weemcd · 21-02-2020 12:04pm

walshb wrote: »

Nice read, and well written...

As usual with Fury, there always seems to be excuses!!

There's always gonna be something. Question is does Fury replicate the first fight and get to the judges or does he go for it as his camp are suggesting?

Mantis Toboggan · 21-02-2020 12:04pm

Fury via KO/TKO/DQ

Tough one to call, I'd say Fury will out box him but you'd have to imagine that at some stage Wilder will land with those dynamite fists and it should be curtains.

walshb · 21-02-2020 12:07pm

Draw

weemcd wrote: »

There's always gonna be something. Question is does Fury replicate the first fight and get to the judges or does he go for it as his camp are suggesting?

He can win both ways...

It’s about gambling....36 minutes for decision, hoping not to get hit clean?

Or surprising Wilder and planting him with heavy shots to take him out..

And, let’s not discount Wilder winning on points. It’s not like Fury was winning the rds handy. Lots of toss up rds in fight 1..

yourdeadwright · 21-02-2020 12:17pm

Draw

This goes one of two ways
Fury is in much better physical condition so does what he did first time only better but is able to capitalise more when Wilder misses ,
or
Wilder after being in with Fury has a better read of him and understanding of his awkwardness and lands early ,

Only way Wilder wins on points is due to multiply knock downs for 10-8 rounds

If there are no knockdowns he doesn't have a prayer of wining on the score cards, don't forget how poor shape Tyson was in last time,

Still going Wilder ko in 6 but praying I'm wrong ,

weemcd · 21-02-2020 12:26pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

This goes one of two ways
Fury is in much better physical condition so does what he did first time only better but is able to capitalise more when Wilder misses ,
or
Wilder after being in with Fury has a better read of him and understanding of his awkwardness and lands early ,

Only way Wilder wins on points is due to multiply knock downs for 10-8 rounds

If there are no knockdowns he doesn't have a prayer of wining on the score cards, don't forget how poor shape Tyson was in last time,

Still going Wilder ko in 6 but praying I'm wrong ,

I'd agree only for potentially dodgy judges. Most people are discounting Wilder decision and Fury KO, both of which are possible. This is a tough one to call.

yourdeadwright · 21-02-2020 12:52pm

Draw

Weigh in will be very interesting ,
Its very hard to change gauge what weigh Fury will be he had a hoodie and jumper over it at the press conference and strangely enough even if he is heavier he looks to have less body fat than last time ,

On Wednesday he did a interview with Kuggan and you could tell had a cold ( Shane interrupted off camera and told him to get inside and keep warm) and you can see he had a cold sore so hopefully he has shaken that off come Saturday ,

Butson · 21-02-2020 1:31pm

Fury via KO/TKO/DQ

Really looking forward to this. 05.30 start time? I remember their first fight started around 4.45 and that was in LA

All noise coming out of the Fury camp (Andy Lee in particular) is that he is going more with power this time and will try to knock Wilder out. Wilder was chronically bad against Ortiz for 6 rounds. i think his jab is under rated though and I'd expect to see him use it more tomorrow night.

Hope Fury does it. Wilder is a complete freak though so in my view its practically impossible to predict any fight he's in.

yourdeadwright · 21-02-2020 1:46pm

Draw

Butson wrote: »

Really looking forward to this. 05.30 start time? I remember their first fight started around 4.45 and that was in LA

All noise coming out of the Fury camp (Andy Lee in particular) is that he is going more with power this time and will try to knock Wilder out. Wilder was chronically bad against Ortiz for 6 rounds. i think his jab is under rated though and I'd expect to see him use it more tomorrow night.

Hope Fury does it. Wilder is a complete freak though so in my view its practically impossible to predict any fight he's in.

Huge question is how good is Ortiz ?

Who's his best win I honestly can't tell

Malik Scott maybe who was at the end of his career and only losses where to only decent fighter he fought Wilder and Chisroa ?

Bryan Jennings 5 years ago maybe another guy who struggled against anyone top tier ,

I'd put him in the same bracket as Whyte but he's a lot older now
Ortiz being the old gate keeper Whyte the new one , You gotta be good to beat them but they won't beat top tier fighters

normanoffside · 21-02-2020 2:14pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Weigh in will be very interesting ,
Its very hard to change gauge what weigh Fury will be he had a hoodie and jumper over it at the press conference and strangely enough even if he is heavier he looks to have less body fat than last time ,

On Wednesday he did a interview with Kuggan and you could tell had a cold ( Shane interrupted off camera and told him to get inside and keep warm) and you can see he had a cold sore so hopefully he has shaken that off come Saturday ,

To me Fury looks a lot heavier than last time and I saw a clip of him showing off a considerable midriff.
I think he comes in 19+ Stone

Brief_Lives · 21-02-2020 2:49pm

Draw

normanoffside wrote: »

To me Fury looks a lot heavier than last time and I saw a clip of him showing off a considerable midriff.
I think he comes in 19+ Stone

121Kgs +, for the metric among us.....

where was the clip? just to have a look. thanks.

walshb · 21-02-2020 3:20pm

Draw

Screw metric and screw imperial...It’s all lbs, lads!!

I expect him high 250s low 260s

normanoffside · 21-02-2020 3:34pm

Brief_Lives wrote: »

121Kgs +, for the metric among us.....

where was the clip? just to have a look. thanks.

last minute of this:

https://twitter.com/PBConFOX/status/1229454169582342147

yourdeadwright · 21-02-2020 4:05pm

Draw

walshb wrote: »

Screw metric and screw imperial...It’s all lbs, lads!!

I expect him high 250s low 260s

He was saying 270 yesterday but I think we all knew he was talking rubbish ,

Such a shame we will never see him in the shape he was for Wlad ,
Even the time he was suppose to fight Haye he was in great nick ,

normanoffside · 21-02-2020 4:07pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

He was saying 270 yesterday but I think we all knew he was talking rubbish ,

Such a shame we will never see him in the shape he was for Wlad ,
Even the time he was suppose to fight Haye he was in great nick ,

PEDs are a wonderful thing....

weldoninhio · 21-02-2020 4:12pm

Draw

skaface wrote: »

What time will the fight actually start at, does anyone know thanks.

It's set for a 9pm Vegas time ring walk so 5am Irish time.

normanoffside · 21-02-2020 4:34pm

walshb wrote: »

Screw metric and screw imperial...It’s all lbs, lads!!

I expect him high 250s low 260s

High 260s, low 270s I reckon.

Also lbs are imperial....

walshb · 21-02-2020 5:10pm

Draw

normanoffside wrote: »

High 260s, low 270s I reckon.

Also lbs are imperial....

I know they’re imperial, but imperial is truly the British system...

lbs are the U.S. version of imperial...

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