Cheltenham 2021 Antepost

Envoi being money against is simply betting on the horse getting there

Slattsy wrote: »

General question; my guess is a lot of trainers will want to avoid Envoi Allen in the Marsh. So, what price is EV likely to go off on the day if he make it there fit and well?

I'll say 4/6 :eek:

Into 6/4 now. Wins his next race and he goes to Cheltenham as the Irish banker and they'll steam into him.

Have Envoi in a few AP doubles at 2/1 and 9/4

aidankkk wrote: »

Some lads have short memories, he'll be available at bigger than evens on the day. Save your money until then, his chance of not getting there is far more significant that the difference between the price he is now and the price he will be in march.

I very much doubt your statement, can't see what or who could force him to go off odds against, not a hope. Five horses went off at odds on last year, four the previous year.

IAMAMORON wrote: »

So in other words connections are chicken shight ?

I am glad I asked now.

What race did Arkle, Denman, Best Mate, Al Boum Photo, Don Cossack , Lord Windermere, Bobs Worth etc etc all run in?

I thought this thing was a superstar?

Coneygree won the Gold Cup as a novice, why don't they go straight there in March?

Jaysus, your Monday morning trolling is actually worse than your normal levels, maybe you need the run before showing your best form

piplip87 wrote: »

Lads been looking at the Ballyadam race again. Surely that's the Supreme winner there.

Although I have taken a look at Ngolo. What's the general feeling there ? He wasn't stopping at the line, the Ballymore ? Albert Bartlett?

Flew home. I'd guess Ballymore but hard to know with Willie bingo.

Think Ballyadam wins where ever he goes.

akelly02 wrote: »

run him in the arkle and we get a proper clash

people on a whatsapp group saying this thing will never be bet etc its getting annoying

I think he would win the Arkle. It's a shame that the Marsh exists now and its unlikely that him and Shiskin will ever meet. His aim is Gold Cup 2022. Until then, its all just prep to get him right for then. Why not run Shiskin in the Marsh? There is no need to go out of your way to find a harder race than you need to, whether its Shiskin or Envoi Allen. To satisfy lads on whatsapp and the internet???

If you are getting annoyed at it, so be it.

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Disagreeing with a consensus is not trolling either.

I have seen good ones tinkered with before, to their detriment.

If he is all that why not skip the RSA and go straight for the Gold Cup?

Ok, so you are not trolling, I possibly gave you too much credit.

You are however talking through your hat! Sometimes it is ok to agree with the consensus, you don't always have to be the cool kid who can see something that everyone else cant see!

Mentioning Arkle, Denman, Don Cossack and Best Mate when trying to big up the RSA as a more worthy race that the March/JLT is one of your finer moments though :D

There is a very real possibility of a chevely 5 timer at the festival!!!

Coneygree wrote: »

Ferny, Appreciate It and Shewearsitwell? Sure at least two of them won't end up in the Supreme.

I assume its those, was simply told after yesterday's race that they were delighted with yesterday as Ngolo was considered their fourth string at best for the Supreme.

Coneygree wrote: »

I really wish he'd have ran SWIW yesterday. If she lost then all well and good, go to the Mares Novice but if she won then jesus you're a right yoke for the Supreme.

Yeah, she picked up what is hoped to be a very minor injury in her prep run in the curragh. She is entered in the Grade one in Leopardstown over Christmas so hopefully she is back in rude health for that.

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I never said he was a bad horse, in fairness.

But he is starting to get overhyped and I am genuine about dissing the Marsh Chase, who the phuck wins that anyway?

You need to strike when the iron is hot, if he is all that he should be getting aimed at the best races.

Just saying.

There are lots of good horses out there that can beat other good horses, this is racing, there are no sure things, believe.

Of course he is not a sure thing, if he was he would be 1/10.

Who wants to win the Marsh? Loads of people, exactly as many as want to win the RSA I would say. The Marsh is only 10 years old, the most impressive winner of either race in that time was unquestionably Vatour.

100% if I had a Gold Cup horse with the gears that this lad has I would be running him in the Marsh this year, you called it a cowardly route which is silly in the extreme, any other route would be foolhardy.

Bumper- Ballymore - Marsh - Gold Cup its a pretty standard template for a horse with his credentials.

Coneygree wrote: »

Gordon said Supreme definitely yesterday in an interview after the race. I backed him for the Ballymore yesterday as a cover just in case but I'm all in for the Supreme.

When did he say this? I was watching the RTE coverage and the interviewer mentioned the Supreme but GE made no remark and went on to mention his next run over 2m at Christmas.