Sick of being fat

Conservatory · 10-07-2018 7:38pm

Woah woah woah. All that information.

Stop overloading the op.

You know the number one cause of a bad BMI score is trying to follow all the crazy rules of a billion different diets.

People that know me around here know I take BMI seriously.

Very seriously. I’m reading the heights and weights and I’m thinking “ my god their poor employers probably don’t know when they are going to show up for work”.

The trick op is to plan your eating.

You now eat how many meals you normally eat a day be that 3 or 5 or whatever.

When you finish meal one you think about what meal 2 will be then you eat it and plan meal 3 etc.

Don’t starve yourself. When you are lying in bed counting sheep plan out your meals instead.

If you starve yourself you take risks and chance finding something healthy in the fridge which always leads to takeaways. This can’t happen anymore food doesn’t get delivered. You are now a hunter if you want food go get it yourself. Don’t use the phone for it.

Today I fecked up and had no frozen chips in the freezer. I really wanted chips so I said feck it I’ll go the chipper. But I checked myself before I wrecked myself on the drive there. If I called I wouldn’t have.

I remembered I had a steak in the fridge to eat with the chips. So as a man, who if they ever forgot how to calculate BMI could be measured and weighed to show them the answer I said I’ll just get chips and fry the steak when I get home. Not ideal but better than chips a half pounder and a battered sausage.

Get in the habit of thinking about your meals.

This can take a few weeks. Then pick a meal you don’t need. Usually the one before bed. Over a few weeks make it smaller or lower in calories. Use brown bread, use less slices or brown rice or all the boring foods you wouldn’t even see in the supermarket because you don’t be in that aisle.

Then do it with another meal.

When you have 2 boring meals and the rest normal(like what normal weighted people eat) you will notice girls wolf whistling at you in the street. Ignore this your wife loved you when you had a bad BMI don’t run of with a BMI groupee.

I hope I’ve helped. If this doesn’t work get a job on a building site. Not as an architect or foreman but a real manual job and eat the exact same as you do now. This will burn maybe 2000 calories a day if you really exert yourself.

You can thank me one year from now or you can go back to your life and claim BMI isn’t important and it’s all about dexa. I don’t care I’m too busy refusing Netflix and chill invites, bloody BMI groupees.

partyguinness · 10-07-2018 7:53pm

Deise boii wrote: »

Hello

I'm nearly 36 just under 6ft and in and around 15st 8lbs. I am fed up of being on the big side.

I used to play gaa and would go for a run once a week. I know I need to increase that. I can go for 10k in under an hour which I know would be quite slow but suppose it's a start.

Basically I'm here looking for advice about ways to get down to under 15st maybe closer to 14. I want to change my diet as sometimes it can be good but when work is busy and working long hours I notice it goes to pot

I had ideas that other people would join in here and we support eachother to try and loose a bit or just for encouragement.

Any takers?

Like you I played GAA when I was younger and then football with club team.

Xmas 2015 I was 37, 13st 7lbs and 5'10 and well out of shape..not fat but defo the wrong side of the BMI scale. Think they call it 'skinny fat'. Had not done any meaningful excerise in 5 years- very busy job and a young child and had another on the way. All the usual excuses. I did not want to be the stereotypical fat dad with beer gut at the school gate. So what did I do?

That January I joined a very friendly running club (not an athletics club). Started running 2-3 times a week building up to 5k. My ambition was to run a 5k. By March I was entering an running 10ks. By October I had run 2 half marathons and since then I have run countless events and 3 sub 4hour marathons. Typical...I couldnt just run a few 10k and be done with it. I had to go the whole hog.

Of course I had to change diet which to be fair was never bad- always been health conscious but defo did change it. Discovered new foods- Quinoa, Teff, Soya milk, Greek Yogurt, poached eggs, rye bread, porridge etc Yes plan your eating for the week when you go shopping.

My weight went from 13stone 7 to under 12 stone in the first 7 months. It is now just over 11 stone. The same weight when I was 18. I have gone from 36inch waist to 30/31 inch.Downside...several new wardrobes.:o

Personally I do not think just dieting is enough. You have to exercise.Yes it is hard and no you do not have to run marathons. But the guys and gals at the running club are great...we run with each other and enter events and egg each other on.

There is a very good app- MyfitnessPal. You can log all the calories you eat- it's amazing how many sneaky calories you could go through. I use Strava to log my miles and runs. Get into a routine and stick to it- ok easier said than done but it is is critical.

Good luck.

Macy0161 · 10-07-2018 8:56pm

Conservatory wrote:

You know the number one cause of a bad BMI score is trying to follow all the crazy rules of a billion different diets.

It isn't complicated - if calories in are less than calories out you will lose weight. That's it.

Every "complicated" diet, low carb, intermittent fasting etc is just a way of restricting calories.

mfceiling · 10-07-2018 9:18pm

We're all in the same boat so!! 43 5ft 9 and was 13 st 4/5.
Stopped the crap last week and replaced the morning sambos with rocket, turkey/chicken and a small bit of dressing. Lunchtime sambos - now a fruit salad with yoghurt.
12 st 10 last night.
Belly has shrunk a tiny bit so that's a start.
Cut out the bread as well (don't feel half as bloated).

partyguinness · 10-07-2018 9:21pm

mfceiling wrote: »

We're all in the same boat so!! 43 5ft 9 and was 13 st 4/5.
Stopped the crap last week and replaced the morning sambos with rocket, turkey/chicken and a small bit of dressing. Lunchtime sambos - now a fruit salad with yoghurt.
12 st 10 last night.
Belly has shrunk a tiny bit so that's a start.
Cut out the bread as well (don't feel half as bloated).

Yeah an average slice of bread is about 100 cals. Throw in 4 and that's 400 cals- 1/5 of your total daily allowance and thats before you put everything else on it.

Try more protein- eggs, Greek yogurt 0% and whey protein- get natural uncoloured with no colour or crap in it. Fills you up.

bladespin · 10-07-2018 10:18pm

kubjones wrote:

You absolutely can. The thing is depending on your diet, you'd need a lot more exercise.

That's just bad information, diet and nutrition are the cornerstone for weight, you will never shape up or loose weight if your diet is not under control.

While it is possible theoretically to burn more calories there's a point it becomes ridiculous, when exercising you burn about 8-10 calories per minute (optimistically) how many minutes strenuous exercise can you actually do (and keep doing)? If you're overeating by 1000 calories (very easy to do) that's an extra 100+ minutes training at reasonable intensity just to maintain current weight.

So much easier to knock out 40 mins to an hour of good quality training and keep to a reasonable calorific intake than trying to run a mini marathon each and every day.

Guy, track your cals and nutrition, get good quality exercise - job done.

Btw, you're not on your own, many had to take that first step.

iamtony · 11-07-2018 9:14am

Weighed in 1.6 kg lighter this morning. I'm well on my way to becoming crowned the UWC(Ultimate weightloss champion) blood pressure down a good 20% also. Stomach starting to feel softer and more comfortable.
Conservatory will be so proud of me, less than 1kg will take me out of the obese catagory and back into the overweight catagory. I was in the ideal catagory(I was 81kg) 2 years ago and that's where I'm aiming to get back to.

Sipping a cup of green tea pondering what to have for breakfast. Probably 2 shredded wheat and a banana. Then probably a bacon madallion omelette with a bit of salad on the side for lunch. That's if the hens make enough eggs this morning, I'm using the eggs as quick as they make them at the moment. A few weeks ago I was dumping eggs on neighbours cause I had so many, they probably think I'm not talking to them or something because I stopped the egg deliveries.

11-07-2018 9:56am

Weighed in at 94.1kg this morning. I'm aiming to get down to 85kg before my wedding at the end of October.

It's not so much the food that kills me. Its the booze (although the food certainly wasn't helping) I'm cutting back from a few pints everyday to a couple drinks twice a week and changing beer/cider/wine to spirits. I'll still have the occasional pint, but it will be every other week and will only be one or two.

Tonight would have been two or three pitchers with a heap of chicken wings in the Woolshed because of the England match...

instead it's a fillet steak and veg with a couple of gin and soda waters with the missus watching the match on the telly.

iamtony · 11-07-2018 10:12am

Deleted User wrote: »

Weighed in at 94.1kg this morning. I'm aiming to get down to 85kg before my wedding at the end of October.

It's not so much the food that kills me. Its the booze (although the food certainly wasn't helping) I'm cutting back from a few pints everyday to a couple drinks twice a week and changing beer/cider/wine to spirits. I'll still have the occasional pint, but it will be every other of weeks and will only be one or two.

Tonight would have been two or three pitchers with a heap of chicken wings in the Woolshed because of the England match...

instead it's a fillet steak and veg with a couple of gin and soda waters with the missus watching the match on the telly.

That's a 1.5kg loss, well done....and iamtony is in the lead with 1.6kg loss giving him a 0.1 advantage going into day two:)

silverharp · 11-07-2018 10:14am

Deleted User wrote: »

Weighed in at 94.1kg this morning. I'm aiming to get down to 85kg before my wedding at the end of October.

It's not so much the food that kills me. Its the booze (although the food certainly wasn't helping) I'm cutting back from a few pints everyday to a couple drinks twice a week and changing beer/cider/wine to spirits. I'll still have the occasional pint, but it will be every other of weeks and will only be one or two.

Tonight would have been two or three pitchers with a heap of chicken wings in the Woolshed because of the England match...

instead it's a fillet steak and veg with a couple of gin and soda waters with the missus watching the match on the telly.

shouldn't be a bother, you will easily drop a kg a week for the first couple of months, don't have your suit made too early :pac:

forward8 · 11-07-2018 10:26am

I went from 23 stone to 16 stone over around 4 - 5 months by eating nothing but vegetables and water with no exercise. It'll make you miserable but no more miserable than being overweight for the next x amount of years. I regularly update an excel sheet tracking my weight but also use weight tracker apps on the phone.

bladespin · 11-07-2018 10:33am

forward8 wrote:

I went from 23 stone to 16 stone over around 4 - 5 months by eating nothing but vegetables and water with no exercise. It'll make you miserable but no more miserable than being overweight for the next x amount of years. I regularly update an excel sheet tracking my weight but also use weight tracker apps on the phone.

There are much easier ways but well done, that's some commitment and dedication.

DickSwiveller Returns · 11-07-2018 10:37am

I think an important thing to remember is that eating healthy food is just as pleasurable and satisfying as eating chocolate and other junk food. For about two years I had an awful diet and decided to make a change. In the past few months I've been cooking my own meals, mainly vegetable and fruit dishes, and have never felt better.

11-07-2018 10:37am

iamtony wrote: »

That's a 1.5kg loss, well done....and iamtony is in the lead with 1.6kg loss giving him a 0.1 advantage going into day two:)

I knew I should have forced out a poo!!!!

Mokuba · 11-07-2018 10:40am

That is extremely unhealthy and very unsustainable. Would not recommend anybody else tries that. (The vegetable and water diet)

silverharp · 11-07-2018 10:51am

Mokuba wrote: »

That is extremely unhealthy and very unsustainable. Would not recommend anybody else tries that. (The vegetable and water diet)

its more unsustainable than unhealthy, its not as extreme as a gastric band for example , in the longer term they would need to switch to a sustainable way of eating and not just slip into old ways.

Bandana boy · 11-07-2018 10:58am

Surely it's just being vegan ?

Well done , but I could never do that

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Alf Veedersane · 11-07-2018 11:15am

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I think a large part of a diet not being miserable is being able to cook.

For example, you can bulk out a stir fry with a lot of veg and get a big volume of food for a relatively small price, calorie-wise.

I'd rather be sent to the 7th Circle of Hell than live on vegetables and water.

iamtony · 11-07-2018 11:21am

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I can't handle raw celery, love it cooked but raw its too over powering. I may have to go to lidl and mimic your lunch minus the celery. Sound tasty! When you say lidl salad are you talking about the mixed leaves in bags? I grow my own lettuce and rocket etc but I'm waiting on a new batch to mature but since doing that I find the supermarket lettuce to be awful sometimes.
Ikea do a great hydroponic unit that grows lettuce really will for about 100 euro. Once the plants are growing leaves you just pick them as you need them. I got about 6 months of lettuce before the heads started shooting up to go to seed so I've more growing now but it's too small to eat yet.

Mumha · 11-07-2018 11:28am

Deise boii wrote: »

Hello

I'm nearly 36 just under 6ft and in and around 15st 8lbs. I am fed up of being on the big side.

I used to play gaa and would go for a run once a week. I know I need to increase that. I can go for 10k in under an hour which I know would be quite slow but suppose it's a start.

Basically I'm here looking for advice about ways to get down to under 15st maybe closer to 14. I want to change my diet as sometimes it can be good but when work is busy and working long hours I notice it goes to pot

I had ideas that other people would join in here and we support eachother to try and loose a bit or just for encouragement.

Any takers?

Best of luck with it. I would just like to offer a couple of pieces of advice.

1) It's not just either/or, it is watching what you eat AND exercising.

2) Don't exercise so much that you end up avoiding it when the ****ty weather comes.

3) Set REALISTIC goals for weight and for fitness.

4) Buy a Fitbit or equivalent, ideally a watch version. A lot of people buy the cheapies which do not have a face on them, so you have to go to the trouble of checking the app on your phone. It's got to be easy to do. We all have inbuilt OCD, so you will find yourself checking the steps on your watch regularly, and that will push you on to get to your daily target or beyond.

5) If you usually do 10-15,000 steps a day, set your daily target at 10-11,000 so even if the day is bad or you just don't feel up to it, you will still want to make that target.

6) Drink plenty of water.

7) If you don't want to get into all those diets, use a smaller plate and eat less of what you currently eat.

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big syke · 11-07-2018 11:56am

Log everything on myfitness pal.

Find your daily maintenance calories and eat under it.

Use calories like money. You can only spend what you have i.e Maintenace Less % so could be 2,500 caloures - 20% = 2000 calories per day to spend.

For me I ate 1800 calories on average. I have lost around 16 kg since April.

Keep it simple. Shakes, Pills, Powders etc don't bother. Eat real food try get lots of protein in and try not waste your calories on liquids e.g. Milk, Fizzy drinks, Alcohol.

Finally and most importantly be consistent. No point eating 1800 a day for Mon-Fri and then blasting through 3.5k calories on a Saturday and Sunday. Consistency is king.

Good luck

p.s. Sorry but its very very boring being in a calorie deficit for a long period and consistently but sacrifices must be made. Just depends on how much you want it. Of course you can have cheat days but again how quick you want/make progress will depend on the amount of cheat days you have.

silverharp · 11-07-2018 12:10pm

big syke wrote: »

p.s. Sorry but its very very boring being in a calorie deficit for a long period and consistently but sacrifices must be made. Just depends on how much you want it. Of course you can have cheat days but again how quick you want/make progress will depend on the amount of cheat days you have.

the secret is be in calorie deficit while being satisfied when you finish a meal , people will get fed up if every meal isn't satisfying, it will feel worse than a prison sentence

TerrorFirmer · 11-07-2018 12:12pm

A cheat day once a week is no harm where you take the foot off the pedal a little. Consistency over the other six days is very important though.

It's also worth saying that you can still eat 'crap' stuff if you so chose, just eat less of it or take slightly better options....at the end of the day, purely from a weight POV in the first instance, it's more about calories and you've got to treat the process of change like a gradual incline rather than a sheer cliff face.

I only say that because the biggest trap people fall into is trying to go cold turkey on a radical diet plan and usually ends up being totally unsustainable.

As others said you definitely can't out train a bad diet or excess consumption of calories (unless you're really into heavy lifting, that does tend to mitigate questionable diets well enough as long as the protein/carb ratio is OK)

Start small....just have a think about what you're eating, what substitutions can be made in some cases, maybe track out a diet plan that limits your calorie intake to a sustainable level and get some decent exercise in. It's about being more sensible, not necessarily suddenly cutting out everything 'bad'.

Going down to 14st will be easy with any sort of effort that combines kitchen/exercise (mostly kitchen though). It's getting from that to a leaner 13st odd that you will find harder.

iamtony · 11-07-2018 12:44pm

silverharp wrote: »

the secret is be in calorie deficit while being satisfied when you finish a meal , people will get fed up if every meal isn't satisfying, it will feel worse than a prison sentence

Yeah tís true, you can't live on lettuce. Change of plan for lunch, I ended up having 2 low salt bacon madallions with a fried egg between 2 slices of toasted McCambridge fried in a bit of coconut oil. Very satisfying indeed. Balanced it out with a glass of apple cider vinegar in water and another cup of green tea.
The hardest bit is having a family and still having to cook lovely greasy burgers and chips and stuff for them, that's why I had what I just had.

Need to up the leafy greens for dinner now. I'll have a nice salad with some ham and boiled egg I think.

Prominent_Dawg · 11-07-2018 1:22pm

iamtony wrote: »

Of course. We probably should make a dedicated thread. Who wants to do it:) I would but I'm fixing up my bike for tomorrow.

Would love this

big syke · 11-07-2018 1:58pm

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

A cheat day once a week is no harm where you take the foot off the pedal a little. Consistency over the other six days is very important though.

Well it is and it isn't. If you have a a 500 calorie deficit over 6 days = 3,000.

you could easily ruin this in a day.

6 pints = circa 1,500 calories = 3 days of good work gone
Half large pizza = circa 1500 calories = another 3 good days gone.

You have now no progress over the week after a tough 6 days.

you need to carefully assess your cheat days

Penn · 11-07-2018 2:20pm

big syke wrote: »

Well it is and it isn't. If you have a a 500 calorie deficit over 6 days = 3,000.

you could easily ruin this in a day.

6 pints = circa 1,500 calories = 3 days of good work gone
Half large pizza = circa 1500 calories = another 3 good days gone.

You have now no progress over the week after a tough 6 days.

you need to carefully assess your cheat days

Agreed. I'm not planning for cheat days at all, but there'll be the inevitable family/friend event or occasion every couple of weeks and so I'll allow myself to indulge a bit on those occasions, so that'll count as "cheat days". Other than that, it's about finding good food you like so you don't want a cheat day.

big syke · 11-07-2018 2:25pm

Penn wrote: »

Agreed. I'm not planning for cheat days at all, but there'll be the inevitable family/friend event or occasion every couple of weeks and so I'll allow myself to indulge a bit on those occasions, so that'll count as "cheat days". Other than that, it's about finding good food you like so you don't want a cheat day.

Absolutely. Kerrigans butchers do lovely "fake aways" at around 400-550 calries that are lovely that you may want to check out.

I was 100% strict first 4 weeks and no booze for almost 6.

I have found a balance and now I can have a take away and few beers (Corona light and Bulmers light both under 100 calories for long neck).

Hoping to lose another 10-15 kg to get to 75kg so will do another strict block or 2 before xmas.

It is a lifestyle change as much as anything and as I said good luck!

Tar.Aldarion · 11-07-2018 2:34pm

Bandana boy wrote: »

Surely it's just being vegan ?

Well done , but I could never do that

Nah, us vegans do not want to be associated with that sad diet! You can eat healthy and still have a really tasty diet. The main thing is knowing about food and learning to cook. I'm pretty lazy but when I was losing weight (~11kg in 8 weeks) I still ate a lot of food! Here was one week I logged and tbh I could do a lot better if I had cooked more stuff myself, a good bit was bought due to being busy, and tbh I guess it is all vegetables and water

:

Monday:

10:30 - Breakfast Muesli with almond milk. (Wheat, Oats, Raisins, Almonds, Hazelnuts) Water.

14:00 - Lunch 400g Lentil and vegetable soup (Celery, Onions, Carrots, Potatoes, Lentils, Olive Oil, Salt, Bay Leaves.). Water.

18:00 - Dinner 400g Brown rice & Spanish bean stew (Red Beans, Tomatoes, Onions, Green Peppers, Courgettes, Sweet Corn, Green Chillies, Garlic, Sunflower Oil, Salt, Coriander/Spices, Olive Oil, Black Pepper.). Supplements (Omega 3, D3, Iodine, B12 - Varies depending on what I’ve eaten.). Brazil nut. Water.

20:30 - Snack: Ben and Jerry's. :-O Water.

Tuesday:

11:00 - Breakfast Muesli with almond milk. Water.

15:00 - Lunch 400g Bean Chilli (Onions, Sweet Peppers, Jalapenos, Red Beans, Tofu Mince, Rice Flour, Sunflower Oil, Garlic, Spices, Salt.). Water.

18:30 - Dinner Burrito bowl (Long Grain White Rice With Lime, Onions, Mixed Peppers, Pinto Beans, Black Beans, Sweet Corn Salsa, Tomato Salsa, Guacamole.). Water.

22:30 - Snack: Supplements. Brazil nut. Water.

Wednesday:

11:00 - Breakfast Muesli with almond milk. Water.

15:25 - Lunch 400g Lentil/veg soup. Water.

18:30 - Dinner Two Baked Potatoes With Tomato Curry (Passata, Tomato Purée, Soy Sauce, Onions, Broccoli, Tofu, edamame, Peas, Linda McCartney Sausage.).
Water.

23:00 - Snack: Supplements. Brazil Nut. Water.

Thursday:

11:00 - Breakfast Muesli with almond milk. Water.

14:30/15:00 - Lunch Seitan Jerky. 400g Bean & Tofu Chilli Water.

20:00 - Dinner Baked Potatoes & Curry. (Passata, Tomato Purée, Kidney Beans, LMC Sausage, Cumin, Smoked Paprika, Garlic.). Brazil Nut. Supplements. Water.

Friday:

11:00 - Breakfast Muesli with almond milk. Water.

13:30 - Lunch 400g Lentil/veg Soup. Water.

19:00 - Dinner Boiled Potatoes, Broccoli, LMC Sausages, Brown Sauce, Gravy. Brazil Nut. Supplements. Water.

Saturday:

12:00 - Breakfast Soy Protein Yogurt (25g protein). Water.

15:30 - Lunch Edamame. Ramen (Noodles, Teriyaki Tofu, Spring Onions, Bamboo Shoots, Bean Sprouts, Spinach, Shiitake Mushrooms, Shoyu Broth). Green Tea.

22:00 - Dinner 400g Italian Veg Stew (Tomatoes, Onions, Chickpeas, Sweet Peppers, Courgettes, Kale, Brown Rice, Mushrooms, Olive Oil, Garlic, Salt, Basil, Black Pepper.). Brazil Nut. Supplements. Water.

Sunday:

11:30 - Breakfast Smoothie (Banana, Pea Protein, Hemp Protein, Peanut Butter, Cocoa, Soy Milk.).

15:30 - Lunch/Dinner Seitan Kebab (Wrap, Seitan, Red cabbage, courgette, pickled carrot, spinach, spicy mayo sauce.). Water.

21:30 - Snack Edamame. Brazil Nut. Supplements. Water.

Mumha · 11-07-2018 3:03pm

iamtony wrote: »

When you say lidl salad are you talking about the mixed leaves in bags?

Have you tried the Lidl Deluxe Trio of Mixed Leaves ? I'm not a salad fan (!), but I love these.

Bandana boy · 11-07-2018 3:17pm

Surely
ice Cream
Brown Sauce
Gravy
Mayo

mean your vegetarian not Vegan

And why do Vegetarians always eat veggie takes on meat products (veggie sausages and the like ) surely if it tastes better to be vegetarian you wouldn't be faking meat products !

TerrorFirmer · 11-07-2018 3:23pm

big syke wrote: »

Well it is and it isn't. If you have a a 500 calorie deficit over 6 days = 3,000.

you could easily ruin this in a day.

6 pints = circa 1,500 calories = 3 days of good work gone
Half large pizza = circa 1500 calories = another 3 good days gone.

You have now no progress over the week after a tough 6 days.

you need to carefully assess your cheat days

But nothing is being ruined. In the OP's case, he's on a calorie deficit for six days, and let's say on the 'rest' day he has a feed of pints and a takeaway?

He'd still lose weight easily as the overall calories consumed per 7 days is still way lower than what it would have been originally to maintain 100kg/16st or whatever it is.

What you're describing would be more applicable if someone was trying to lose the last bit of stubborn fat, or go on an actual cut, but otherwise had a pretty normal BMI, etc.

For the average guy several stone overweight, 6 days @ 2-2.2kcal with decent exercise and a 7th @ 3-3.5kcal will not stop them losing weight pretty easily.

As I said, no point trying to go into it full steam off the bat and convincing yourself that you can't have x, y or z. It's about sense and portion control as much as it is the actual foods being consumed. Find something sustainable and workable in the longer term.

Macy0161 · 11-07-2018 3:35pm

Nothing wrong with a cheat day, or falling off the wagon. Just track it, suck up it'll effect the rate of loss, but don't let a bad day turn into a bad weekend into a bad week. Record, forget about it, get back on track.

Personally I kept my Friday night beers and crisps, as it was an important social thing for me. I just accounted for it.

Also Google fakeaways. There's a taco chips one that I actually prefer to the chipper version.

silverharp · 11-07-2018 3:39pm

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

But nothing is being ruined. In the OP's case, he's on a calorie deficit for six days, and let's say on the 'rest' day he has a feed of pints and a takeaway?

He'd still lose weight easily as the overall calories consumed per 7 days is still way lower than what it would have been originally to maintain 100kg/16st or whatever it is.

What you're describing would be more applicable if someone was trying to lose the last bit of stubborn fat, or go on an actual cut, but otherwise had a pretty normal BMI, etc.

For the average guy several stone overweight, 6 days @ 2-2.2kcal with decent exercise and a 7th @ 3-3.5kcal will not stop them losing weight pretty easily.

As I said, no point trying to go into it full steam off the bat and convincing yourself that you can't have x, y or z. It's about sense and portion control as much as it is the actual foods being consumed. Find something sustainable and workable in the longer term.

Cheat days work or they did for me , Saturday I would eat whatever I want , made sure I had toast , some chocolate, a pizza maybe , by Tuesday I was back to my Friday weight. It is just not something I want to do now and as such I don't crave these things now.

iamtony · 11-07-2018 3:58pm

silverharp wrote: »

Cheat days work or they did for me , Saturday I would eat whatever I want , made sure I had toast , some chocolate, a pizza maybe , by Tuesday I was back to my Friday weight. It is just not something I want to do now and as such I don't crave these things now.

That's the thing they are important for the first while as they ease the cravings for crap. They say it takes at least 6 weeks to build a habit. Be it good of bad so after 6 weeks your body will start craving the good food.

iamtony · 11-07-2018 4:05pm

https://photos.app.goo.gl/UrZVvmy4dKTfvDec6

Change of plan for dinner, I'll have the salad for tea I swear:p
Roast veg, onion, courgette, tomato, turnip, small cubes of potatoes, tomatoes, red and yellow peppers. Loads of chicken breast, and tender stem broccoli. About 5-600 calories and I'm stuffed to the gills and very satisfied.
Now for the after dinner green tea ritual.

iamtony · 11-07-2018 4:07pm

Macy0161 wrote: »

Also Google fakeaways. There's a taco chips one that I actually prefer to the chipper version.

is that the one with the potato wedges around the side of the oven dish? If so my missus makes it and it's awesome!

Penn · 11-07-2018 4:12pm

iamtony wrote: »

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Change of plan for dinner, I'll have the salad for tea I swear:p
Roast veg, onion, courgette, tomato, turnip, small cubes of tomatoes, red and yellow peppers. Loads of chicken breast, and tender stem broccoli. About 5-600 calories and I'm stuffed to the gills and very satisfied.
Now for the after dinner green tea ritual.

I was never one for eating vegetables my whole life. Part of the reason I'm in the state I am now. But last night, I had a pork chop medallion with roast broccoli and sweet potato chips (both tossed in paprika and chilli powder before roasting) and they were f*cking delicious. And only about 500cals.

I'm actually looking forward to another helping tonight

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iamtony · 11-07-2018 4:19pm

Penn wrote: »

I was never one for eating vegetables my whole life. Part of the reason I'm in the state I am now. But last night, I had a pork chop medallion with roast broccoli and sweet potato chips (both tossed in paprika and chilli powder before roasting) and they were f*cking delicious. And only about 500cals.

I'm actually looking forward to another helping tonight

good job! Seasoning makes a bland sounding meal delicious.

Mokuba · 11-07-2018 4:19pm

Ben and Jerry's have a vegan (non-dairy) range.

Penn · 11-07-2018 4:40pm

iamtony wrote: »

good job! Seasoning makes a bland sounding meal delicious.

# Just... a... spoonful of spices help the vegetables go down
Vegetables... go dowwwnn
Vegetables go down #

Conservatory · 11-07-2018 4:57pm

Lads look. If you are having 7 cheat days a week of course going to 6 cheat days a week will lose weight. Until you are the size of a guy that only has 6 cheat days a week.
Then you will need to have 5 cheat days a week to lose weight.

Again you will stop losing weight once you are the size of a guy who has 5 cheat days a week.
So a cheat day works if it’s less cheat days than you have but you won’t look like a fella at a body building show by having them every week.
Not that most people wants to.

But there is no tricking your body to release the metabolism or any of that stuff. The trick is filling foods with low calories. Hence brown rice and brown bread.

Brown bread will fill you for (example) 3 hours where white bread won’t fill you for as long. And guess what , the white bread has more calories.

There’s absolutely nothing complicated about it.

Tar.Aldarion · 11-07-2018 5:00pm

Bandana boy wrote: »

Surely
ice Cream
Brown Sauce
Gravy
Mayo

mean your vegetarian not Vegan

And why do Vegetarians always eat veggie takes on meat products (veggie sausages and the like ) surely if it tastes better to be vegetarian you wouldn't be faking meat products !

Ben and Jerry's have 3 flavours that are vegan in Ireland. More to come! There are plenty of brands with vegan ice cream. There are even vegan Cornetto's now. Of course I'm trying to avoid eating them...
Brown sauce is a load of vegetables, vinegar and sugar blended up.
Gravy is often vegan, especially if bought in a supermarket, Bisto etc.
Mayonnaise is vegan if you use a different emulsifier than egg. For example, blending oil, soy milk, lemon and salt for a few seconds creates mayonnaise. Aldi sell a nice sriracha one.

As for fake meat products, people generally like the taste of meat and as a proper farmland boy I grew up on it mostly, that love doesn't change when you stop eating it because you don't want to kill animals, the environment, health etc, so you want to eat something similar. It's particularly useful if somebody is transitioning as they can replace the meat in their meals easily, otherwise they wouldn't know meals to eat.

Conservatory · 11-07-2018 5:13pm

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Ben and Jerry's have 3 flavours that are vegan in Ireland. More to come! There are plenty of brands with vegan ice cream. There are even vegan Cornetto's now. Of course I'm trying to avoid eating them...
Brown sauce is a load of vegetables, vinegar and sugar blended up.
Gravy is often vegan, especially if bought in a supermarket, Bisto etc.
Mayonnaise is vegan if you use a different emulsifier than egg. For example, blending oil, soy milk, lemon and salt for a few seconds creates mayonnaise. Aldi sell a nice sriracha one.

As for fake meat products, people generally like the taste of meat and as a proper farmland boy I grew up on it mostly, that love doesn't change when you stop eating it because you don't want to kill animals etc, so you want to eat something similar. It's particularly useful if somebody is transitioning as they can replace the meat in their meals easily, otherwise they wouldn't know meals to eat.

If you find yourself talking about mayonnaise and Cornettos check yourself before you wreck yourself. Skinny lads don’t sit around talking about ice cream. Maybe that’s why exercise helps so much. You can go for a run and burn the equivalent of a fredo bar but the real benefit is if you see your friend Tim you will burn the ears off him about couch to 5 k instead of mayonnaise.

Conservatory · 11-07-2018 5:24pm

If it fills the man it’s better than him eating a chicken leg then ordering a pizza later.
He may have 2 meals a day, everybody is different.

Prominent_Dawg · 11-07-2018 5:24pm

Theres two weeks a in the month I could go eating less than 800 calories a day and another two where I could eat 3000 plus (binge eating), I know It sounds very unhealthy but mid month I'm always hungry, this is always prior to my time of the month, does any other woman experience this, its very frustrating because I actually love the idea of eating clean and its a constant cycle for losing and gaining weight

Conservatory · 11-07-2018 5:27pm

Prominent_Dawg wrote: »

Theres two weeks a in the month I could go eating less than 800 calories a day and another two where I could eat 3000 plus (binge eating), I know It sounds very unhealthy but mid month I'm always hungry, this is always prior to my time of the month, does any other woman experience this, its very frusting because I actually love the idea of eating clean and its a constant cycle for losing and gaining weight

You know the time of month alone is said to make a woman gain up to 8 pounds.
My tip would be weighing yourself each month rather than each day. You will fluctuate and weighing yourself each day will only make you feel bad when the hormones are off kilter and push you off the wagon. During period just try be as clean as possible but don’t beat yourself up.

Sick of being fat

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