The Ashes 2019

Rock Lesnar · 15-09-2019 11:47am

400 over 2 days, Australia can win this, unlikely due to to the form of their batters outside Smith and Labuschagne, but they can definitely win it

15-09-2019 11:50am

Warne putting the commentators curse on Warner for sure.

Rock Lesnar · 15-09-2019 11:51am

Ward J. Littell wrote: »

Warne putting the commentators curse on Warner for sure.

He definitely put it on Harris, lol

y0ssar1an22 · 15-09-2019 11:51am

pathetic from harris

15-09-2019 11:56am

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

pathetic from harris

It was a good delivery but poor series for Harris. He shouldn't have been picked for this test. Could be a while before he's picked again.

Anjobe · 15-09-2019 12:00pm

Bye bye Davey, good riddance

15-09-2019 12:03pm

That's it I'd say. Australia needed one of their openers to make a big score if they were to have any chance of winning or holding out for a draw, especially with the likes of Wade, Marsh and Paine to come in. It's not the strongest middle order.

BarryD2 · 15-09-2019 12:04pm

Very disappointing from Warner & Harris, they were due to put in a decent start. Their continued failure just undermines the rest of the innings.

Inquitus · 15-09-2019 12:05pm

Interesting stat from the beeb

The average opening partnership for both teams is 12.55 and that is the lowest in a five-Test series ever.

Rock Lesnar · 15-09-2019 12:05pm

Ward J. Littell wrote: »

That's it I'd say. Australia needed one of their openers to make a big score if they were to have any chance of winning or holding out for a draw, especially with the likes of Wade, Marsh and Paine to come in. It's not the strongest middle order.

Yep, start packing the bags now, although 365 is still doable over 2 days, i feel it all depends on Labuschagne staying with Smith

kmart6 · 15-09-2019 12:08pm

Even if they both had managed to get 20 or 30 it would have made things a bit interesting.

y0ssar1an22 · 15-09-2019 12:44pm

marnus stumped

kmart6 · 15-09-2019 12:46pm

Criminal to get out like that!

Can't see anything other than an England win now.

Happy4all · 15-09-2019 12:46pm

All well and truly over now

Rock Lesnar · 15-09-2019 1:07pm

Happy4all wrote: »

All well and truly over now

It was over after the 4th test

StringerBell · 15-09-2019 1:25pm

Really blown a chance to take an ashes series win back home. Long time now since Australia won a test series in England

kmart6 · 15-09-2019 2:08pm

Sin é.

Rjd2 · 15-09-2019 2:12pm

Rjd2 wrote: »

Think he put down a chance in the Stokes miracle innings also.

He probably scores a double century in the next innings, but initial impressions of him aren't the most favorable.

Looked very poor this series. Warner has an excellent record in Australia so he gets the next home series but I hope they bring back Burns. His dropping was absurd especially when you look at Bancroft and Harris.

15-09-2019 3:26pm

Poor from Marsh when himself and Wade were building a half decent partnership. No need to play a shot at all.

15-09-2019 5:00pm

Archer needs to work on his stare. He looks a bit ridiculous.

sliabh 1956 · 15-09-2019 8:42pm

England are poor seeing that they could not win a home series against the worst Australian Batsmen in many a year excluding Mr Smith England were literally playing against one man and he missed 3 innings to make it easier for them.

Royale with Cheese · 15-09-2019 8:44pm

Sad to see David Gower go, I don't agree with pushing him out against his will. I won't miss Botham however.

Strumms · 15-09-2019 9:07pm

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

Sad to see David Gower go, I don't agree with pushing him out against his will. I won't miss Botham however.

Its a strange one, I know both of the guys have been in the chairs for a considerable amount of time but both provide very high levels of insight and experience as well as having achieved a hell of a lot as players at the very highest level in the game....

Whoever comes in will have huge shoes to fill in terms of credibility, experience and a technical side to punditry that the joe soaps like us of course wouldn’t understand the machinations of...but that would be no doubt hugely crucial as regards the ability to carry off the job.

Too that team has always had a nice and diverse blend of characters and personalities that made each commentary segment interesting, entertaining and eventful even when play was not.

Now we’ll be likely subjected to the nice and safe tones and demographics of human beings more in keeping with being ‘safe’ and keeping people happy.

decies · 15-09-2019 10:09pm

Well this 4th test was screwed for Australia after that extraordinary decision at the coin toss coupled with playing siddle and Marsh in same team . I laugh when I see English fans 2/2 was fair result, Aussies basically blew the series win . Still on reflection the Aussies have to be happy retaining the ashes excluding the obvious with the worst battling line up certainly in my memory . I have to say an ashes series imho is so far ahead in terms of interest and excitement in showcasing the best of test cricket then other series .

Nonoperational · 15-09-2019 10:19pm

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

Sad to see David Gower go, I don't agree with pushing him out against his will. I won't miss Botham however.

This completely passed me by. What a shame.

15-09-2019 10:36pm

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

Sad to see David Gower go, I don't agree with pushing him out against his will. I won't miss Botham however.

It's strange that they are letting him go but keeping the likes of Lloyd and Willis, who are a good bit older than him. Suggests that it's not an age thing, on the face of it. I'm sorry to see him go. I like his relaxed style.

Royale with Cheese · 15-09-2019 10:41pm

I believe they're giving the anchor role to Isa Guha, he appears to be a victim of the quest for diversity. I think it's the wrong call, he had a few years left in him and will be missed by many.

SharpshooterTom · 15-09-2019 10:42pm

Isn't Ian Ward getting it?

Isa Gusha hasn't done much presenting, just another pundit.

Royale with Cheese · 15-09-2019 10:47pm

Hmm, I'd read something about her getting it a few months back but doesn't seem to be much on it now. Makes even less sense if they're giving it to Ian Ward.

Strumms · 15-09-2019 11:10pm

I like Ward, he has a nice presenting style, knowledgeable, played international cricket

Strumms · 15-09-2019 11:33pm

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

I believe they're giving the anchor role to Isa Guha, he appears to be a victim of the quest for diversity. I think it's the wrong call, he had a few years left in him and will be missed by many.

I don’t mind Isa, she’s good in fact but she neither has the tv experience or playing achievements and playing experience of those she will replace. Whatever about tv experience I suppose but to be fûcking out Botham and Gower for her... that’s just piss poor and the viewer suffers.

SharpshooterTom · 16-09-2019 2:07am

According to the express

The broadcaster is also planning to introduce more women to their coverage and push on Ian Ward and Rob Key. Stuart Broad is also expected to make a fine pundit once he retires.

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/cricket/1178232/Sir-Ian-Botham-David-Gower-leaving-Sky-Sports-cricket-commentary-punditry-Oval-Ashes-Test

Ian Ward and Rob key do a lot of presenting for ODI and T20 competitions so it would make sense just on experience alone they get the nod over Isa Guha, who I've never seen present a programme. Maybe they'll make her do the T20 stuff or Womens cricket.

BarryD2 · 16-09-2019 9:40am

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

According to the express

The broadcaster is also planning to introduce more women to their coverage and push on Ian Ward and Rob Key. Stuart Broad is also expected to make a fine pundit once he retires.

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/cricket/1178232/Sir-Ian-Botham-David-Gower-leaving-Sky-Sports-cricket-commentary-punditry-Oval-Ashes-Test

Ian Ward and Rob key do a lot of presenting for ODI and T20 competitions so it would make sense just on experience alone they get the nod over Isa Guha, who I've never seen present a programme. Maybe they'll make her do the T20 stuff or Womens cricket.

That's the way it's gone on RTE too - except it's kinda half cocked. You have women pundits commenting on say hurling who've never played the mens game at a high level, so how much value can you put on their 'expert' analysis. But when it comes to the camogie, you won't see or hear a hurler as a pundit because they don't play camogie. I'm all for more women punditry in sports presentation and their analysis of their own games is very welcome but they should stick to that. Of course women commenting as sports journalists or fans is a different matter.

Apart from that, it was a disappointing show from several of the Aussie batsmen, particularly their openers. Whatever about scoring runs, at minimum they should be able to absorb a good few overs and just occupy the crease. They were getting out far too quickly and putting pressure on 3 & 4.

coolshannagh28 · 16-09-2019 10:29am

I will miss Gower, his punditry was a bit like his batting, elegant, laid back, but very effective.

Stevieluvsye · 16-09-2019 11:40am

I understand the decision. I felt Botham was too over biased and Gower was boring although had a decent sense of humour.

Nasser, Ath and Bunble would be my favs. I'd prefer Ali Mitchell over Isa although she's not bad. I like Key. He'll do well. Ward is a good presenter. I have listened to Broad do a few slots and he'll certainly do well. Comes across as a natural commentator and has the voice for it.

Strumms · 16-09-2019 8:25pm

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

I understand the decision. I felt Botham was too over biased and Gower was boring although had a decent sense of humour.

Nasser, Ath and Bunble would be my favs. I'd prefer Ali Mitchell over Isa although she's not bad. I like Key. He'll do well. Ward is a good presenter. I have listened to Broad do a few slots and he'll certainly do well. Comes across as a natural commentator and has the voice for it.

Bumble is fantastic, entertaining, totally affable yet knowledgeable, speaking of knowledge Atherton is like an encyclopedia knows the game inside out, especially insightful I’ve met the guy a couple of times and found him to be in real life as he is on tv...

Portsalon · 17-09-2019 8:38pm

I see that The Sun, true to form, has published a very insensitive story about a family tragedy involving Stokes's mother back in New Zealand 31 years ago.

The predictable deluge of outrage has come from the usual suspects.

From the curious (as I was) this is it.

alchemist33 · 17-09-2019 10:15pm

I was curious too and looked it up. I thought it very shoddy journalism, and completely unnecessary. Still, The Sun couldn't be any lower in my opinion even before today.

riffmongous · 18-09-2019 1:28pm

I'm curious but I'm not looking it up.. screw the Sun

Stevieluvsye · 18-09-2019 1:34pm

riffmongous wrote: »

I'm curious but I'm not looking it up.. screw the Sun

His step brother and step sister where both murdered before he was born. (Murder/suicide)

Disgraceful journalism and why on earth this is in the public's interest is beyond me.

****ebags of the highest order

harpsman · 19-09-2019 12:22pm

BarryD2 wrote: »

That's the way it's gone on RTE too - except it's kinda half cocked. You have women pundits commenting on say hurling who've never played the mens game at a high level, so how much value can you put on their 'expert' analysis. But when it comes to the camogie, you won't see or hear a hurler as a pundit because they don't play camogie. I'm all for more women punditry in sports presentation and their analysis of their own games is very welcome but they should stick to that. Of course women commenting as sports journalists or fans is a different matter.

Apart from that, it was a disappointing show from several of the Aussie batsmen, particularly their openers. Whatever about scoring runs, at minimum they should be able to absorb a good few overs and just occupy the crease. They were getting out far too quickly and putting pressure on 3 & 4.

Agree totally-BBC are same. Seem to moving towards a woman on every panel. Ive started switching off when I see it. These women have never played at the level theyre analysing so theyve no more right to be on than a very good amateur player. If its a panel of journos then yes, have women on based on merit. I like women presenters-i prefer Joanne Cantwell on the GAA than Michael Bland Lester, and I think Gabby Yorath is good too.

at the risk of getting shot, I just dont like the sound of a womens voice on commentary-too shrill. I just cant relax listening to one.

Portsalon · 19-09-2019 5:10pm

harpsman wrote: »

Agree totally-BBC are same. Seem to moving towards a woman on every panel. Ive started switching off when I see it. These women have never played at the level theyre analysing so theyve no more right to be on than a very good amateur player. If its a panel of journos then yes, have women on based on merit. I like women presenters-i prefer Joanne Cantwell on the GAA than Michael Bland Lester, and I think Gabby Yorath is good too.

at the risk of getting shot, I just dont like the sound of a womens voice on commentary-too shrill. I just cant relax listening to one.

I really like Isa Guha and think that she's an excellent cricket commentator. Certainly she's light years ahead of some of the complete gobsh1tes who commentate with her on the IPL.

But I'd have preferred Sky to have gone with Ebony Rainford Brent who, whenever I heard her, was a cracking analyst and excellent commentator, although possibly too well qualified for the job!

BOHtox · 20-09-2019 10:28am

There's no ODI series this ashes? That's a shame. Was always a nice way to finish it.

Royale with Cheese · 20-09-2019 10:43am

No time for that, the world cup took up half the summer.

Anjobe · 20-09-2019 11:31am

Australia are back in July next year for 3 T20s and 3 ODIs - https://www.espncricinfo.com/scores/series/19496/australia-in-england-2020

Inquitus · 20-09-2019 11:36pm

Portsalon wrote: »

I see that The Sun, true to form, has published a very insensitive story about a family tragedy involving Stokes's mother back in New Zealand 31 years ago.

The predictable deluge of outrage has come from the usual suspects.

From the curious (as I was) this is it.

Disgraceful journalism, this is not quite as bad as the Gareth Thomas situation where a journalist told his parents he had HIV before he had the chance to do so himself, but still utterly disrespectful!

The Ashes 2019

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