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Your favourite unsolved mystery?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,823 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    weekaizer wrote: »
    I always found this hard to believe.
    I mean he completed a full lap of imola before the crash occurred. I honestly think the steering column broke as he turned in at the high speed tamburello corner. The column had previously been modified at drivers request due to being too long or too short (can't quite remember which) perhaps the modification was an inferior one...

    Williams f1 team kept the car in house for a long period post the crash before it could be examined. I also find it odd that the on board camera footage from sennas car disappears for the short 1-2 seconds between car leaving the road and hitting the wall. Could there have been some cover up and evidence hiding on the Williams f1 team??.

    I can't see a formula 1 team as big as them covering up the death of the world's most famous driver.
    Broadcast throughout the entire world live.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Oddly enough methane hydrates may not be as unstable as previously thought https://phys.org/news/2017-08-hydrate-gun-hypothesis.html

    then again https://phys.org/news/2017-06-domes-frozen-methane-blow-outs.html


    No methane hydrate don't explain all of the Bermuda incidents, but bad navigation has explained some of the others.
    I read a while back that the Bermuda Triangle is no more dangerous than any other area of ocean, it's just that losses there are reported more.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭ligerdub


    weekaizer wrote: »
    I always found this hard to believe.
    I mean he completed a full lap of imola before the crash occurred. I honestly think the steering column broke as he turned in at the high speed tamburello corner. The column had previously been modified at drivers request due to being too long or too short (can't quite remember which) perhaps the modification was an inferior one...

    Williams f1 team kept the car in house for a long period post the crash before it could be examined. I also find it odd that the on board camera footage from sennas car disappears for the short 1-2 seconds between car leaving the road and hitting the wall. Could there have been some cover up and evidence hiding on the Williams f1 team??.

    I guess it's possible. It's the first I've ever heard of it though in all the years since then, and I've never really considered it in any way suspicious. My personal opinion is that I'd be very surprised if anything other than the current version of events is true, but what you say is a possibility. However if you assume something else as possible you'd also have to assume driver error as a possibility. It is a dangerous sport after all.

    We probably don't see the footage because it could be deemed insensitive, not so much that there is no footage somewhere. You can see he lost control in the in-car footage shortly before he crashes.

    Remember that he had such a poor start to the year that he was extra pressured into winning that race. He himself had voiced concerns about safety at the race that weekend.

    Edit: is this what you mean?

    https://youtu.be/_64k44_pm_M

    Interesting video. I'll be honest and say it's a solid argument, and the guy has clearly put a good bit of work into it. I personally can't see what he refers to though in terms of the yellow light, and by that I mean I literally can't see it. I understand others can though so fair enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭cml387


    How do Jacobs get the figs... nah just joking.


    The Moorgate Tube disaster.

    A highly experienced tube driver fails to stop at a terminus station and continues into a dead end tunnel.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,725 ✭✭✭Kauto0709


    cml387 wrote: »
    How do Jacobs get the figs... nah just joking.


    The Moorgate Tube disaster.

    A highly experienced tube driver fails to stop at a terminus station and continues into a dead end tunnel.

    Sounds like a suicide? Possible mental illness? Similar to that crazy pilot who purposely crashed the Germanwings flight a year or 2 ago.


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,531 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Kauto0709 wrote: »
    Sounds like a suicide? Possible mental illness? Similar to that crazy pilot who purposely crashed the Germanwings flight a year or 2 ago.
    There were 643 suicide attempts on the tube in 2000-2010.

    Or maybe the Dead Man's Handle can't handle all eventualities.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭Paddy Cow


    There were 643 suicide attempts on the tube in 2000-2010.

    Or maybe the Dead Man's Handle can't handle all eventualities.
    That is a shocking statistic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,823 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    Could it be cause they are underground for so long every day? The lack of natural light can get to you.


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    bear1 wrote: »
    Could it be cause they are underground for so long every day? The lack of natural light can get to you.

    Presume the stat meant everyone, not just Underground workers or drivers...I've been stopped on a train in London because of a "jumper" and everyone in the carriage just shrugged and said it happens...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,823 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    Presume the stat meant everyone, not just Underground workers or drivers...I've been stopped on a train in London because of a "jumper" and everyone in the carriage just shrugged and said it happens...

    Empathy must be a luxury there then.


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    bear1 wrote: »
    Empathy must be a luxury there then.

    Yeah, it seemed a bit cold...but I guess amongst commuters facing the grimness of London rush hour, empathy for some stranger who decides to screw up their day is in short supply.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭ligerdub


    Paddy Cow wrote:
    That is a shocking statistic.


    It works out at just over 1 a week in a city in a huge population. Relatively speaking it's not that much of a shocker.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,762 ✭✭✭✭dubstarr


    Raonaid Murray.Its coming up to her anniversary and still no closer to her killer being found.1999,nearly 20 years and that person is still walking around.

    What a horrible waste of a young girls life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭cml387


    The Moorgate investigation did examine whether Driver Newsome committed suicide.
    He did have a largish sum of money with him that morning, apparently he was going to buy his daughter a car when he finished his shift.

    Since we are on the subject of mysterious railway accidents, you can also include the terrible crash at Harrow in 1952 where an experienced driver and fireman passed one signal at caution and two signals at danger.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    cml387 wrote: »
    The Moorgate investigation did examine whether Driver Newsome committed suicide.
    He did have a largish sum of money with him that morning, apparently he was going to buy his daughter a car when he finished his shift.

    Since we are on the subject of mysterious railway accidents, you can also include the terrible crash at Harrow in 1952 where an experienced driver and fireman passed one signal at caution and two signals at danger.

    Possible heart attack or something similar ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    There was a post-mortem, but it was several days before the rescuers could get to the body and results were generally inconclusive due to decomposition. Another hypothesis made at the time was that he zoned out a moment or confused Moorgate for a through-station just long enough that when he did realise, it was far too late.

    One thing that it did introduce was a safety measure named after the station where if a train came into a dead-end tunnel over a certain speed, first various resistors on the track would flip to slow the train down through the station and then the emergency brakes would trip if the front of the train went past the entrance to the dead-end tunnel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,173 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    bear1 wrote: »
    Empathy must be a luxury there then.

    Dara obrian did a routine on train suicides. To sum it up... There's a train fatality... Reaction is to look at your watch and wonder how long you'll be delayed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭SnakePlissken


    bear1 wrote: »
    Empathy must be a luxury there then.

    Dara obrian did a routine on train suicides. To sum it up... There's a train fatality... Reaction is to look at your watch and wonder how long you'll be delayed
    Suicidal impulses are of course a nental illness, but it is a particularly selfish way to do it by throwing oneself in front of a commuter train, my empathy is with the driver.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,305 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    The name of the girl in the Rick Astley video, Whenever You Need Somebody, and why she put on the top of her bikini when she was on the beach, when any normal woman puts hers on before going out to the beach.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,060 ✭✭✭Kenny Logins


    branie2 wrote: »
    The name of the girl in the Rick Astley video, Whenever You Need Somebody, and why she put on the top of her bikini when she was on the beach, when any normal woman puts hers on before going out to the beach.

    Lene Bausager

    Source: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056825159 :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,305 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    it hasn't really been confirmed if Lene Bausager was the girl


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,305 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    And I'm still wondering (as I'm sure others are), about her dressing actions on the beach.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    The continuing mystery of how Ray D'Arcy has a career.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,305 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    What happened to Podge and Rodge


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,158 ✭✭✭frag420


    D'arcy has them chained up in his basement...
    branie2 wrote: »
    What happened to Podge and Rodge


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭fxotoole


    Today's mystery is why people feel the need to pollute such an awesome thread with nonsense posts like the last three/four posts


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,305 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    How Stonehenge was built


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,158 ✭✭✭frag420


    Good input...

    Irony thread that way
    >
    fxotoole wrote: »
    Today's mystery is why people feel the need to pollute such an awesome thread with nonsense posts like the last three/four posts


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,531 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    The continuing mystery of how Ray D'Arcy has a career.
    branie2 wrote: »
    What happened to Podge and Rodge
    frag420 wrote: »
    D'arcy has them chained up in his basement...

    Join the dots people ...


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,531 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    branie2 wrote: »
    How Stonehenge was built
    Wait until winter and slide the rocks over the snow / ice / frozen ground.

    Or walk them like the did with the Easter Island statues.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 79 ✭✭Uosdwis R. Dewoh


    The disappearance and death of Utah woman Kayelyn Louder. There is usually a rational conclusion to be drawn in these cases, but this case is just mad.

    One day, Kayelyn dialled 911 out of the blue to report a fight in her neighbourhood - there wasn't one. The next morning she dialled 911 again to report a break-in to her apartment occurring at that moment. She sounded extremely distressed and as if there was more to it than a break-in. Her flatmate was there also and confirmed no such thing had happened. The police found no sign of forced entry either.

    She was later captured on cctv walking her dog. She is talking animatedly, which was considered noteworthy by police, but people do talk to their pets - that's no biggie... however what people don't tend to do is walk their dog barefoot - in the rain.

    She was then captured on cctv later in that same spot near her car - when all of a sudden she became alarmed at something behind her and ran... leaving her car, wallet, keys and beloved dog.

    Her body was found in the river two months later.

    No trace of any intoxicant was found in her system. I assumed she unfortunately had a breakdown and killed herself but this isn't deemed a definitive conclusion. I can't find any info that the post mortem said she drowned.

    Was she afraid of something real or did she have a psychotic break? The case has been compared to that of a deceased woman called Elisa Lam, but mental breakdown seems to explain that case fully... however this one, more of a mystery.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 79 ✭✭Uosdwis R. Dewoh


    The Mystery of The Man on The Moor - a Channel 4 documentary that I highly recommend.

    Less than two years ago, a man was found dead in a remote area outside Manchester. No identification whatsoever, yet the police amazingly tracked down who he was - a lot of it via pure guesswork and trial and error.

    But they couldn't ascertain why he ended up there or what he was doing, and it's very bizarre.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭Are Am Eye


    Wait until winter and slide the rocks over the snow / ice / frozen ground.

    Or walk them like the did with the Easter Island statues.


    I watched some documentary one time where they moved equivalent weight & size stones. The smaller ones could be moved on waterways. They used teams 10 people pulling big ones with rope along a track. Some of stones originated in Wales. They were erected (ooo'er missus) in to position with rope and pulley systems. They could also be levered up gradually in a horizontal position and placing timber under a side as you moved it up each increment.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,174 ✭✭✭RhubarbCrumble


    The Mystery of The Man on The Moor - a Channel 4 documentary that I highly recommend.

    Less than two years ago, a man was found dead in a remote area outside Manchester. No identification whatsoever, yet the police amazingly tracked down who he was - a lot of it via pure guesswork and trial and error.

    But they couldn't ascertain why he ended up there or what he was doing, and it's very bizarre.

    Yes that's a good one. Neil Dovestone aka David Lytton.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,688 ✭✭✭storker


    kylith wrote: »
    I read a while back that the Bermuda Triangle is no more dangerous than any other area of ocean, it's just that losses there are reported more.

    And insurers like Lloyds of London don;t charge higher premiums for ships transiting the Bermuda Triangle. Also, a quick look at FlightRadar24 will show all kinds of aircraft happily cruising through the same airspace. If people in the transport business really thought the triangle was particularly high risk, they'd be acting accordingly.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 515 ✭✭✭daithimac


    This isn't one for the faint hearted but for me it is the Original Night Stalker.

    I heard about him on a podcast linked below.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVN47lHYvtA&t=900s

    He had other moniker such as the East Area Rapist and later the Baby Dick Killer because of his small endowment.

    He would break into peoples homes in the middle of the night and assault and in his later crimes murder them.

    He is responsible for 50+ sexual assaults and 16 murders. He would stalk his victims leaving kits with rope and masks near their house, break in and case the place and in one instance remove the bullets from a gun. He would wake couples up in the middle of the night and would have the wife tie her husband up and then place plates on his back.

    He went on a rampage in California for years and then just stopped. They thought he was dead until he made another call to a victim which is linked below.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdElYnd-xMo


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭FizzleSticks


    This post has been deleted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,305 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    This post has been deleted.

    Is it because you lied when you were seventeen?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Don't think this one has been mentioned before but I've followed it as it has meandered along over the years, not quite believing that no real progress as ever been made with regards to finding out what exactly happened to her.

    It's quite disturbing and so best stop reading now if easily upset by discussions of sexual abuse and the like.

    Anyway, the girl on the left in the picture below is Brittney Wood (alongside her daughter Payton) and she has been missing since the summer of 2012. She is considered to have been murdered by her extended family but no body has ever been discovered so far.


    bw.jpg


    It all pretty much began around 2003 (possibly before) when her step-grandfather abused her and then subsequently was jailed for it a couple of years later. Then her two aunts (her mother's twin sisters) along one of their husbands (who was actually seeing both of the twins since they were very young themselves) began holding barbecue parties at which they would abuse many of the local neighbourhood kids (Brittney is thought to have been one of them).

    Jump forward to 2012 and Brittany's uncle (her Mother's brother) goes to the Police and tells them that a 13-year-old family member (he is seeing) is being abused (I know, doesn't make much sense and he is jailed himself as a result).

    While that investigation is taking place Brittany messages one of the girls who had been abused at the parties and tells her she is going to the police and blowing the whole thing open. She then drives to the Uncle's house and confronts him about what he did but is never seen again. A few days later the uncle is found with a gun shot wounds to the head consistent with suicide. The gun used was Brittney's.

    I watched much of the media reports of this over the past five years or so and Brittney's mother was always very vocal about how poor a job she felt the cops knew were doing even though they jailed both her twin sisters in 2015. Then all of a sudden they arrested her and charged her with abusing kids shortly after that (which most people were shocked about) but eventually all charges were dropped.

    Most of the family are locked up now for sexual abuse of minors apart from the mother but they still do not know what happened Brittney. Her mother has pretty much said publicly she believes her sister and her brother in law killed her.

    I'm surprised there hasn't been a high profile documentary made about the case tbh. There certainly seems to be enough material there to fill many hours.


    Heartbreaking seeing her daughter in the following recent clip mark the 5th anniversary of her disappearance.




  • Registered Users Posts: 715 ✭✭✭French_Girl


    The disappearance and death of Utah woman Kayelyn Louder. There is usually a rational conclusion to be drawn in these cases, but this case is just mad.

    One day, Kayelyn dialled 911 out of the blue to report a fight in her neighbourhood - there wasn't one. The next morning she dialled 911 again to report a break-in to her apartment occurring at that moment. She sounded extremely distressed and as if there was more to it than a break-in. Her flatmate was there also and confirmed no such thing had happened. The police found no sign of forced entry either.

    The disappearance and death of Utah woman Kayelyn Louder. There is usually a rational conclusion to be drawn in these cases, but this case is just mad.

    One day, Kayelyn dialled 911 out of the blue to report a fight in her neighbourhood - there wasn't one. The next morning she dialled 911 again to report a break-in to her apartment occurring at that moment. She sounded extremely distressed and as if there was more to it than a break-in. Her flatmate was there also and confirmed no such thing had happened. The police found no sign of forced entry either.

    She was later captured on cctv walking her dog. She is talking animatedly, which was considered noteworthy by police, but people do talk to their pets - that's no biggie... however what people don't tend to do is walk their dog barefoot - in the rain.

    She was then captured on cctv later in that same spot near her car - when all of a sudden she became alarmed at something behind her and ran... leaving her car, wallet, keys and beloved dog.

    Her body was found in the river two months later.

    No trace of any intoxicant was found in her system. I assumed she unfortunately had a breakdown and killed herself but this isn't deemed a definitive conclusion. I can't find any info that the post mortem said she drowned.

    Was she afraid of something real or did she have a psychotic break? The case has been compared to that of a deceased woman called Elisa Lam, but mental breakdown seems to explain that case fully... however this one, more of a mystery.


    This is fascinating stuff, thank you.

    I've been very recently watching documentaries on Elisa Lam so the comparison definitely caught my attention.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,035 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    The disappearance and death of Utah woman Kayelyn Louder. There is usually a rational conclusion to be drawn in these cases, but this case is just mad.

    While interesting, it seems pretty cut and dry. She was a paranoid schizophrenic who slipped and fell in a nearby creek, leading to her death.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 79 ✭✭Uosdwis R. Dewoh


    J Mysterio wrote: »
    While interesting, it seems pretty cut and dry. She was a paranoid schizophrenic who slipped and fell in a nearby creek, leading to her death.
    That's how it seems, but is it confirmed?

    How did you learn she was a paranoid schizophrenic? I did read that her age when she died (30) is within the typical age range for onset of paranoid schizophrenia in women, but I didn't find confirmation of this specifically in relation to her.

    And where did you learn she drowned? I didn't find confirmation of this either.

    As I said, there doesn't seem any real mystery in the death of Elisa Lam - she had a history of severe mental illness, but this case is a bit more ambiguous.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 79 ✭✭Uosdwis R. Dewoh


    Don't think this one has been mentioned before but I've followed it as it has meandered along over the years, not quite believing that no real progress as ever been made with regards to finding out what exactly happened to her.

    It's quite disturbing and so best stop reading now if easily upset by discussions of sexual abuse and the like.

    Anyway, the girl on the left in the picture below is Brittney Wood (alongside her daughter Payton) and she has been missing since the summer of 2012. She is considered to have been murdered by her extended family but no body has ever been discovered so far.


    bw.jpg


    It all pretty much began around 2003 (possibly before) when her step-grandfather abused her and then subsequently was jailed for it a couple of years later. Then her two aunts (her mother's twin sisters) along one of their husbands (who was actually seeing both of the twins since they were very young themselves) began holding barbecue parties at which they would abuse many of the local neighbourhood kids (Brittney is thought to have been one of them).

    Jump forward to 2012 and Brittany's uncle (her Mother's brother) goes to the Police and tells them that a 13-year-old family member (he is seeing) is being abused (I know, doesn't make much sense and he is jailed himself as a result).

    While that investigation is taking place Brittany messages one of the girls who had been abused at the parties and tells her she is going to the police and blowing the whole thing open. She then drives to the Uncle's house and confronts him about what he did but is never seen again. A few days later the uncle is found with a gun shot wounds to the head consistent with suicide. The gun used was Brittney's.

    I watched much of the media reports of this over the past five years or so and Brittney's mother was always very vocal about how poor a job she felt the cops knew were doing even though they jailed both her twin sisters in 2015. Then all of a sudden they arrested her and charged her with abusing kids shortly after that (which most people were shocked about) but eventually all charges were dropped.

    Most of the family are locked up now for sexual abuse of minors apart from the mother but they still do not know what happened Brittney. Her mother has pretty much said publicly she believes her sister and her brother in law killed her.

    I'm surprised there hasn't been a high profile documentary made about the case tbh. There certainly seems to be enough material there to fill many hours.


    Heartbreaking seeing her daughter in the following recent clip mark the 5th anniversary of her disappearance.


    Fooking hell.. :(

    The Deep South (and this was taking place in the very very deep south - southern tip of Alabama) can be so messed up. She had a gun at only 19 too. I'm not an anti America bandwagoner at all - it's a great country overall - but it has some seriously ****ed up communities in the very poor remote areas.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,035 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    That's how it seems, but is it confirmed?

    How did you learn she was a paranoid schizophrenic? I did read that her age when she died (30) is within the typical age range for onset of paranoid schizophrenia in women, but I didn't find confirmation of this specifically in relation to her.

    And where did you learn she drowned? I didn't find confirmation of this either.

    As I said, there doesn't seem any real mystery in the death of Elisa Lam - she had a history of severe mental illness, but this case is a bit more ambiguous.

    She ended up in the water, seems a safe assumption. She had been running around wild in the rain her bare feet, with no care for her surroundings.

    She was hearing voices. Thought she heard violent arguments which werent happening. She made a 911 call to say people where in her apt. taking things where her flatmate can be heard saying 'there's no one here, the door is still locked'.

    She had previously stated her flatmate complained she was 'paranoid' and 'delusional'.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 79 ✭✭Uosdwis R. Dewoh


    The post mortem didn't conclude she drowned though. What you say is what I assumed at first too but I can't find confirmation anywhere that she drowned. I know she ended up in the water but why isn't it saying anywhere that cause of death was drowning?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 79 ✭✭Uosdwis R. Dewoh




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    The disappearance and death of Henry McCabe...and unsettling phone message he left.

    565-3105-henry-mccabe-flyer.jpg?itok=aW3k65rn

    In September 2015, McCabe was out clubbing with others. It was later alleged he was drunk, his wallet and keys were taken to prevent him buying more alcohol or driving. One of his acquaintances claimed Henry was dropped at a gas station...except no record of that appeared on CCTV. Phone records show one of his subsequent calls was made 10km away.

    Later that night his wife received what was possibly a pocket dial, with Henry screaming in pain or fear, groaning and guttural noises, and a voice saying "stop it". She claimed she was in California at the time.

    And Henry disappeared for 3 months. Until his body was found by a kayaker in a lake in the area from which his last call came. He had apparently drowned, but police remain suspicious.

    http://spokesman-recorder.com/2016/03/30/vanished-without-trace-really-happened-henry-t-mccabe/

    It's the last phone message that makes the matter so unsettling. Was it just the ravings of a drunk, was he in fear, and what were the other noises...



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,078 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    Missing flight MH370.

    I wonder will it be discovered & lifted off the sea bed in a few hundred years time, in the same way as King Henry the VIII's flagship "The Mary Rose" was discovered and raised off the seabed nearly 500 years after she sank!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,823 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    The fuselage would eventually erode away, the titanic for example in a few years won't be around anymore.


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