Working Class

Rodin wrote: »

Should we receive according to what we paid in?
I'd be all for that...

Id have nobody from outwith the country moving in and claiming a state pension.

Well I'd be well qualified after 30 years paying in.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Yes I lived there for a bit. But that was as a child. Its been some time now.

But house prices are low in Spain.

The Irish economy is broken. It doesn't affect me so much as others. But i see it.

Spain is a low wage, low cost economy.
Ireland is a high wage, high cost economy.

firestarter g wrote: »

From what I've seen from the people who post here theyre mainly yuppies, mamas boys who have no real clue what it is to live in the real world. I mean who the **** are the main "characters" on here? The mysterious wibbs? Candie the rich English girl?? Well you know wha I'm not listening to the patronizing **** any longer. I'm an Irish working class beeeee-atch and good luck to any **** that messes with me on here ��

Never pick a fight with yuppie. I will drag your balls up and down your ghetto roughly tarmacked street until you can't sit to joy ride anymore! :mad:

ITS ON!

Cupatae wrote: »

I actually feel bad for genuine people on welfare, getting drilled and labelled constantly as scum leaches, bottom feeders looking for a free ride ect, imagine the depression of going into a post office and knowing everyone that sees you thinks your a low life leach.

As a society now we are ridiculously judgmental, its no wonder suicides are a constant thing now a days. People are ruthless especially those with any bit of success (especially those that had a soft life and had there **hard earned** success handed too them, cars paid, college paid, 0 struggle except complain about the hard work of college) and these types of people then think themselves as working class, as if they ve earned and clawed there way to the top, when in reality compared to the rest of the world they literally had a free ride or as close as you could get to one.

Suicide rates are going down.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Potato..potato

It doesn't work in print.

The difference between an absolute statement and a relative one is important.

anewme wrote: »

Yuppie should be consigned to the 80's, where it came from.

muppie
i am a muppie princess

Cupatae wrote: »

really? doesn't seem that long ago it was an "epidemic" in this country.. flavour of the month and all that i guess!

The media does not accurately portray the incidence/prevalence of most things accurately.

Trangenderism is another example.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

If you think there is no working class you must have been really surprised at Sf's surge then.

I'm not sure if you're talking to me but Ireland has a huge working class.

It also has a huge non-working class and an underclass.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

According to the figures it doesn't have a huge non working class. It has a huge homeless underclass though.

Unemployment is 4.8%.

Spain has 13% unemployment. Greece has 18% unemployment. Italy has 9 %

France has an unemployment rate of 8.8 %

We are not far off Germany who are at 3.1%

Ireland has one of the highest rates of receipt of disability benefit in the EU. These are non-working.
Many are genuine cases.
Many are fleecing the system.

Why should Ireland have such a high rate?
Not like we have war wounded.

maninasia wrote: »

They retire young though and get great benefits, and those benefits aren't dependent on ever being a taxpayer either.
Future pensioners will start at 70 something and less benefits.

I'm due out at 68 and am not happy with that.

I dont think the benefits are great.

Rodin wrote: »

What do you think you should get?

Pension at 65.

Natasha Harsh Royalty wrote: »

Ireland maintains social security agreements with other countries to cover this kind of situation. If an emigrant has worked and paid social insurance in England but retires in Ireland, he can use his contributions to qualify for retirement benefits in Ireland. The same would apply to the reverse scenario.

It doesn't cover lots of countries outside the EU unfortunately. But you are correct many common emigrant countries are covered.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

What in your mind are high wages?

Wages in Ireland are low precisely because the cost of everything is high. :rolleyes:

We have a low wage economy.

BS. Ireland has very high wages on the global and even European scale.

That it also has high taxes and costs is another story.

maninasia wrote: »

It's not only that though is it.

Free travel, medical cards, subsidised phone, fuel, numerous other benefits and discounts. Subsidised or free accommodation for those with no home.
Many pensioners are well off ,paid off their mortgsges and even get private pensions too.

You should see what pensioners get across the water or in 95% plus of countries worldwide. Those people would be green with envy at the deal in Ireland.

Same goes for social welfare.

A pensioner couple in Ireland get almost 500notesin their hand, NET, a week.
Plus all the other benefits.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

weeeeeeeeeeeeeee..i cant wait!

Stop moaning then.

maninasia wrote: »

Stop moaning then.

its in me nature! its in me blood!

maninasia wrote: »

The pension and the free travel aren't means tested I believe. For the others...Not sure.

ah bollix! :mad:

Ye do realize you don't just 'get' the state pension either.

My granny struggled to get the full rate despite working for 20 years , because being at home raising children like alot of women in their 60's/70's done a few years ago, counted for nothing.

Rodin wrote: »

Except when it's 'non-contributory' .

I'm talking about the contributory level.

I still think the rest is means tested.

Rodin wrote: »

And if you've no means (because you claimed all your life for example) it's almost 500euro a week for a pensioner couple + state benefits

Fuel allowance is means tested

Fuel Allowance is a means-tested payment. If you are getting a non-contributory social welfare payment, you are accepted as satisfying the means test.

So those who have paid in are means tested, what rubbish.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

this thread has me confused some of you say people on welfare are millionaires some of you say you are not sure

The working poor who are entitled to nothing are the real victims/vulnerable in the country.

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

An interesting fact.... 5% of Irish adults are described as 'disabled' on the last census. In some areas of Limerick, 15% of people have declared themselves as disabled and incapable of work. Unless they have localised TB or rickets, this is a wind-up.

It might or might not be a wind up. People in poor areas have a different lifestyle to people in wealthier areas. Poorer people tend to smoke more for example. Poorer people tend to do more manual jobs. Take two populations of people who work in an office and people who work on building sites. Aged 55-65, which population do you expect to have more disabilities?

Worklessness contributes to conditions like depression. So between physical and mental health, the difference in disabilities might not be a wind up.

I once saw an analysis of life expectancy of people in different parts of Newcastle in North East England. The area of each stop on the Metro was analysed to see the difference in life expectancy. They found a difference of 8years between the leafy wealthy areas and the poorest areas. Maybe those people are dying as a wind up too but I suspect there are differences in health between wealthy and poor areas.

Working class! Middle class! What nonsense!

I laughed so hard at this thread my monocle fell into my snifter of cognac.

It's when you have your dinner in the middle of the day