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    #62
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Cupatae wrote: »
    I actually feel bad for genuine people on welfare, getting drilled and labelled constantly as scum leaches, bottom feeders looking for a free ride ect, imagine the depression of going into a post office and knowing everyone that sees you thinks your a low life leach.

    As a society now we are ridiculously judgmental, its no wonder suicides are a constant thing now a days. People are ruthless especially those with any bit of success (especially those that had a soft life and had there **hard earned** success handed too them, cars paid, college paid, 0 struggle except complain about the hard work of college) and these types of people then think themselves as working class, as if they ve earned and clawed there way to the top, when in reality compared to the rest of the world they literally had a free ride or as close as you could get to one.

    I know I got a free ride. Well ...my parents paid for it. I didn't steal nothin! :pac:


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    #63
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    anewme wrote: »
    Yuppie should be consigned to the 80's, where it came from.

    muppie
    i am a muppie princess


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    #64
    Cupatae
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭Cupatae


    Rodin wrote: »
    Suicide rates are going down.

    really? doesn't seem that long ago it was an "epidemic" in this country.. flavour of the month and all that i guess!


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    #65
    Rodin
    Registered Users Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    Cupatae wrote: »
    really? doesn't seem that long ago it was an "epidemic" in this country.. flavour of the month and all that i guess!

    The media does not accurately portray the incidence/prevalence of most things accurately.

    Trangenderism is another example.


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    #66
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    If you think there is no working class you must have been really surprised at Sf's surge then.


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    #67
    Rodin
    Registered Users Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    If you think there is no working class you must have been really surprised at Sf's surge then.

    I'm not sure if you're talking to me but Ireland has a huge working class.

    It also has a huge non-working class and an underclass.


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    #68
    ILoveYourVibes
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    Rodin wrote: »
    I'm not sure if you're talking to me but Ireland has a huge working class.

    It also has a huge non-working class and an underclass.
    According to the figures it doesn't have a huge non working class. It has a huge homeless underclass though.

    Unemployment is 4.8%.

    Spain has 13% unemployment. Greece has 18% unemployment. Italy has 9 %

    France has an unemployment rate of 8.8 %

    We are not far off Germany who are at 3.1%


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    #69
    Rodin
    Registered Users Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    According to the figures it doesn't have a huge non working class. It has a huge homeless underclass though.

    Unemployment is 4.8%.

    Spain has 13% unemployment. Greece has 18% unemployment. Italy has 9 %

    France has an unemployment rate of 8.8 %

    We are not far off Germany who are at 3.1%

    Ireland has one of the highest rates of receipt of disability benefit in the EU. These are non-working.
    Many are genuine cases.
    Many are fleecing the system.

    Why should Ireland have such a high rate?
    Not like we have war wounded.


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    #70
    maninasia
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    anewme wrote: »
    But many more have than not have and should be respected.

    They retire young though and get great benefits, and those benefits aren't dependent on ever being a taxpayer either.
    Future pensioners will start at 70 something and less benefits.


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    #71
    anewme
    Registered Users Posts: 11,905 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    maninasia wrote: »
    They retire young though and get great benefits, and those benefits aren't dependent on ever being a taxpayer either.
    Future pensioners will start at 70 something and less benefits.

    I'm due out at 68 and am not happy with that.

    I dont think the benefits are great.


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    #72
    Rodin
    Registered Users Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    anewme wrote: »
    I'm due out at 68 and am not happy with that.

    I dont think the benefits are great.

    What do you think you should get?
    I think state pension and benefits are very generous here but shouldnt be a gap between enforced retirement and claiming if state pension.


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    #73
    anewme
    Registered Users Posts: 11,905 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Rodin wrote: »
    What do you think you should get?

    Pension at 65.


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    #74
    ILoveYourVibes
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    Rodin wrote: »
    Ireland has one of the highest rates of receipt of disability benefit in the EU. These are non-working.
    Many are genuine cases.
    Many are fleecing the system.

    Why should Ireland have such a high rate?
    Not like we have war wounded.
    no we don't.

    Source ?

    France and Germany spend way more than us per capita and the rest of europe in fact according to online stats.


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    #75
    maninasia
    Registered Users Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭maninasia


    Natasha Harsh Royalty wrote: »
    Ireland maintains social security agreements with other countries to cover this kind of situation. If an emigrant has worked and paid social insurance in England but retires in Ireland, he can use his contributions to qualify for retirement benefits in Ireland. The same would apply to the reverse scenario.

    It doesn't cover lots of countries outside the EU unfortunately. But you are correct many common emigrant countries are covered.


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    #76
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    maninasia wrote: »
    They retire young though and get great benefits, and those benefits aren't dependent on ever being a taxpayer either.
    Future pensioners will start at 70 something and less benefits.
    you think a state pension is 'great benefits'????


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    #77
    maninasia
    Registered Users Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭maninasia


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    What in your mind are high wages?

    Wages in Ireland are low precisely because the cost of everything is high. :rolleyes:

    We have a low wage economy.

    BS. Ireland has very high wages on the global and even European scale.

    That it also has high taxes and costs is another story.


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    #78
    maninasia
    Registered Users Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭maninasia


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    you think a state pension is 'great benefits'????

    It's not only that though is it.

    Free travel, medical cards, subsidised phone, fuel, tv, numerous other benefits and discounts. Subsidised or free accommodation for those with no home.
    Many pensioners are well off ,paid off their mortgsges and even get private pensions too.

    Relatively young retirement age at 65 years old.

    You should see what pensioners get across the water or in 95% plus of countries worldwide. Those people would be green with envy at the deal in Ireland.


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    #79
    Rodin
    Registered Users Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    maninasia wrote: »
    It's not only that though is it.

    Free travel, medical cards, subsidised phone, fuel, numerous other benefits and discounts. Subsidised or free accommodation for those with no home.
    Many pensioners are well off ,paid off their mortgsges and even get private pensions too.

    You should see what pensioners get across the water or in 95% plus of countries worldwide. Those people would be green with envy at the deal in Ireland.

    Same goes for social welfare.

    A pensioner couple in Ireland get almost 500notesin their hand, NET, a week.
    Plus all the other benefits.


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    #80
    ILoveYourVibes
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    maninasia wrote: »
    It's not only that though is it.

    Free travel, medical cards, subsidised phone, fuel, numerous other benefits and discounts. Subsidised or free accommodation for those with no home.
    Many pensioners are well off ,paid off their mortgsges and even get private pensions too.

    You should see what pensioners get across the water or in 95% plus of countries worldwide. Those people would be green with envy at the deal in Ireland.
    weeeeeeeeeeeeeee..i cant wait!


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    #81
    maninasia
    Registered Users Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭maninasia


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    weeeeeeeeeeeeeee..i cant wait!

    Stop moaning then.


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    #82
    anewme
    Registered Users Posts: 11,905 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    maninasia wrote: »
    It's not only that though is it.

    Free travel, medical cards, subsidised phone, fuel, tv, numerous other benefits and discounts. Subsidised or free accommodation for those with no home.
    Many pensioners are well off ,paid off their mortgsges and even get private pensions too.

    Relatively young retirement age at 65 years old.

    You should see what pensioners get across the water or in 95% plus of countries worldwide. Those people would be green with envy at the deal in Ireland.

    They get a private pension only if they've paid into it.

    Is fuel allowance for example not means tested?

    How many other "benefits" are means tested.?


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    #83
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    maninasia wrote: »
    Stop moaning then.
    its in me nature! ;) its in me blood!


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    #84
    maninasia
    Registered Users Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭maninasia


    firestarter g wrote: »
    From what I've seen from the people who post here theyre mainly yuppies, mamas boys who have no real clue what it is to live in the real world. I mean who the **** are the main "characters" on here? The mysterious wibbs? Candie the rich English girl?? Well you know wha I'm not listening to the patronizing **** any longer. I'm an Irish working class beeeee-atch and good luck to any **** that messes with me on here 😊

    You aren't even fit to wash Wibbs underwear.


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    #85
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Welfare class, working class, middle class , upper class and finally whinger class


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    #86
    maninasia
    Registered Users Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭maninasia


    anewme wrote: »
    They get a private pension only if they've paid into it.

    Is fuel allowance for example not means tested?

    How many other "benefits" are means tested.?

    The pension and the free travel aren't means tested I believe. For the others...Not sure.


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    #87
    ILoveYourVibes
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    maninasia wrote: »
    The pension and the free travel aren't means tested I believe. For the others...Not sure.
    ah bollix! :mad:


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    #88
    anewme
    Registered Users Posts: 11,905 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    maninasia wrote: »
    The pension and the free travel aren't means tested I believe. For the others...Not sure.

    The pension is " contributory" so based on contributions.

    I think the fuel is means tested, so many wont qualify, not sure of the rest.


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    #89
    dartboardio
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    Ye do realize you don't just 'get' the state pension either.

    My granny struggled to get the full rate despite working for 20 years , because being at home raising children like alot of women in their 60's/70's done a few years ago, counted for nothing.


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    #90
    Rodin
    Registered Users Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    anewme wrote: »
    The pension is " contributory" so based on contributions.

    I think the fuel is means tested, so many wont qualify, not sure of the rest.

    Except when it's 'non-contributory' .


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    #91
    anewme
    Registered Users Posts: 11,905 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Rodin wrote: »
    Except when it's 'non-contributory' .

    I'm talking about the contributory level.

    I still think the rest is means tested.


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