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Russian build up along Ukraine

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,363 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    No, next up is a Coup d'etat in the Kremlin.

    Judging by his speech, and you don't have to speak Russian to see it, the old boy has lost the plot completely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,904 ✭✭✭daheff


    Russian 'Peacekeeping' mission into new republics tomorrow.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,990 ✭✭✭sparky42


    I see Mick is still shrilling for Moscow. Meanwhile Orban might try blocking the EU sanctions package, but Germany has order a halt to the Nord Stream 2 pipeline. Some confusion as to whether or not Russia intends to only take control of the current "republic's" or push to take control of what they proclaimed they were in 2014 (which was much larger), meanwhile Putin and his FM has basically declared that Ukraine has no right to exist as an independent state.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,990 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Reports suggest that tonight might be the night, eastern Ukrainian air ports have reportedly blocked their runways to prevent airborne landings, and Russia has just closed all of Ukrainian airspace bordering Russia until further notice. Cyber attacks have been increasing all day as well.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,990 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Putin has declared a “special military operation” to demilitarise Ukraine, and increased clashes are already being reported.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,851 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Hopefully Ukraine has enoght Javelins to give the invaders a good bloody nose and make them suffer



  • Registered Users Posts: 243 ✭✭ancientmariner


    So the attack has been launched from Russia, Belarus, and Crimea. It was initiated by missile strikes on key out of City military areas such as Airfields to neutralise Ukrainian airpower. Units seem to go through border crossings with commercial traffic. it teaches a number of lessons on the need for distant strike weapons, dispersed assets, and an ability to prepare when you have months of notice of a likely invasion. At least harden some of the routes into target areas.

    Unfortunately RU are settling a vendetta against a wayward member of the former USSR who was a shining performer for them in International Sports of all kinds. What should an international response be and who has the stomach for the conventional response when someone is in mortal danger.

    The certainty now is, that the Russian Government and it's Ambassadors are NOT good friends and don't believe in compromise or the common right to life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭water-man


    It's such a shame so many lives have already been lost over the last few years and more will be as a result of this serious incident and for what?

    NATO/EU need to make a strong response to this. The next risk is if NATO/EU do nothing (or very little) then China will be eying Taiwan even more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,363 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    So far, according to the Ukrainian interior and civil defence apparatus, there have been 203 sites of air strikes and force engagement.

    Ukraine have claimed five planes and two helicopters as kills, all unverified, while certainly at least one Ukrainian transport plane is down, pictures showing what looks like an An-26 or An-70.

    The Ukrainian ambassador to the US claims a platoon of a Russian motor rifle batallion has been taken prisoner, again unverified.

    A strategic airfield outside Kiev is currently the scene of fierce fighting between Russian airborne troops and defending Ukrainians. The UK MoD says a large Russian force is en route to Kiev by road.

    Meanwhile a Turkish registered cargo ship has been hit by a stray bomb while transiting the Black Sea near Odessa - exactly the sort of mishap which can get NATO into the fight before you can say mutually assured destruction.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,990 ✭✭✭sparky42


    There's footage of at least 2 Russian KA-50's having been shot down. The An 225 may or may not have been destroyed in the fighting for one of the airports. 2 Turkish A400m's might be stuck on the ground, they landed just before everything kicked off.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,990 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Mixed reports that Russia hasn’t achieved all of its day 1 objectives, the special forces/airborne assault on the airport at Kiev was overrun after heavy fighting and is back in Ukrainian hands as of tonight,reports Russian forces have withdrawn from their attack on Sumy and will resume attacks tomorrow. But strong gains in the South out of Crimea and they are moving through Chernobyl which is only a short distance from the capital (side news reports at least some damage was done to waste storage during the battle). Suggestions that Ukraine has lost control of the air, be interesting to see if that shows itself tomorrow. Russia has taken military losses in pushing this, but given their size can take them as the main forces haven’t moved in strength yet.

    Bit of news for Romania, one of the Ukrainian islands only 30km from their coast has fallen after resistance from its squad of Ukrainians, long term as its close to a NATO member, I’d imagine that will be fortified and used against Romania.


    Edit: And the Russians just admitted to “misfiring” a missile at a Turkish ship in the Black Sea.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,851 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    When the russians enter the citys will that be when we see the anti tank missiles full effect?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,363 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The javelins etc? Far better fired in open Country, not ideal at all for urban combat, you could just as easy blow up a house.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Psychlops


    Ghost of Kiev. Ive never felt more close to everybody in Europe as I have since this started.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,990 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Reports tonight that a Russian IL-76 with a company of Paratroopers was shot down by Ukrainian SAMs around Kyiv, heavy losses for them if true.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,990 ✭✭✭sparky42


    AP is now citing US sources to say 2 IL-76's were shot down overnight, that's a heavy blow to the Russian elite military.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,363 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Statements after the fact from Moscow that Putin ordered the suspension of advance yesterday to open the window for negotiations.

    Absolute horse manure as usual from the Kremlin, they are being badly held up by Western anti-armour and anti-air weaponry employed to defend Kiev and they don't like it.

    The West need to funnel as much heavy gear as can be mustered through corridors from Poland, Slovakia and Romania, giving the Ukrainians an endless supply located in the Western third of their territory to be able to deploy to any conflict zone. And it should no longer be defensive weapons either.

    As the Russians are beginning to occupy strategic locations, Ukraine need rockets and artillery to bombard them out of existence and both kill the Russians and remove the strategic site. At this stage they should be bombing all their own Airports in the North and East to prevent air bridges being formed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Leonidas BL


    I think Ireland should send some anti tank missiles to Ukraine...



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,990 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Wouldn't disagree with that along with the RBS 70s, I'm sure if we got them to Poland they would be happy to drive them over the border. Wonder how many we have in stores?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,363 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I'd happily send them the lot, but we aren't going to do that.

    There has been a big donor conference organised by the Brits, hopefully we have committed as much non-lethal and medical aid as possible.

    Besides, whatever we could ship over wouldn't hold a candle to the NATO supplies already on hand in the eastern member States.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Leonidas BL


    Every little helps, and the Javelin is pretty good.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,851 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Every single anti tank weapon All our mortars and 105s along with every single missile and round we have for them should be shipped out to poland estonia or romania asap. We dont need them tomorrow like ukraine and we can always buy more



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,363 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Lads as much as we may emotionally desire to give them all the help we can, exporting free weapons en masse is not consistent with neutrality (which I know is a nebulous concept at the best of times).

    While I acknowledge the Government could act on it tomorrow and be in violation of nothing in particular, I just don't see it even remotely likely.

    And to be fair, if anything, it only adds to the urgent need for a serious and no-holds-barred public debate on the Defence policy of this State, to reflect the sense of justice of the people, rather than that of just two parties who have made a murky and undefined neutrality their custom and practice for the last 85 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,363 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Meanwhile Russian strategic nuclear forces have been placed on combat alert.

    Which is nice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,363 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Ireland's nominal and notional military neutrality ended today, 27th Feb 2022.

    End of debate.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    If we are interested in preserving our way of life how can we be neutral when the likes of Putin are out there. I think we should be part of an EU Army.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭AyeGer



    I’m aware there is no EU Army Dohvolle, which is why I referred to an EU Army and not the EU Army. It would probably be a better option for a small country like Ireland though if we do move on from neutrality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,363 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    EU High Rep Borrell reports the EU intention to give fighter jets to Ukraine.

    Presumably that means ex-soviet stock from Poland, Hungary etc as there is no possible way the Ukrainians could be worked up on Western types from scratch.

    Either way, we are absolutely not in Kansas anymore.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,990 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Technically we aren't involved in the arms part, we are contributing to the non lethal package while "constructively Abstaining" from the Lethal package.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,990 ✭✭✭sparky42


    It's always the Crisis moments that the EU moves so quickly. And yeah it will be the Eastern European jets that will be sent, ironically Russians have in some cases been the ones keeping them flying up till now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 243 ✭✭ancientmariner


    The Government are still polishing the Neutrality cup by making our contribution to the non-lethal side of the EU package to Ukraine. We are donating for support items like medical aid and body armour. While today, at Dublin Airport, young Ukrainians left wives and family to fight for their Country. It's possibly the Mil budget that keeps us holding the coats at the big match. We need to look at the Map, we are a huge chunk of the approaches to EUROPE.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,851 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Since we arent giving any anti tank weapons we should at least give the ukrainians that are returning home training on the javelins so they can train there fellow country men and women



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    Us not being neutral won't stop a Nuclear device wiping us out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    I think the DF only fire one of these a year as the cost about 170,000 dollars a pop.



  • Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Ultimanemo


    Anybody knows what site to donate?, I went to Irish Red Cross but there is no option to donate to Ukraine



  • Registered Users Posts: 243 ✭✭ancientmariner


    Prices may vary depending on strategic need. Some quote Rounds at 80,000 usd each. The Ukrainians bought 37 launchers and 210 rounds a couple of years ago. There are anti-tanks available at 5000 USD and rounds as cheap as a Dollar. RPG launchers 200 USD and grenades 20USD.

    The latest 500 javelins won't cost UKRAINE anything upfront and may have a use or return deal. The spare Fighter Jets will probably need nationalising and accompanied armed with volunteer pilots.



  • Registered Users Posts: 243 ✭✭ancientmariner


    Talking about Nuclear fallout. Check that you have the pack of medicine issued by DOH to cover the requirements for The National Emergency Plan for Nuclear Accidents. There is a pack for each family member. I think it's an Iodine product and Putin is accident prone? They were issued nationwide some years ago.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,990 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Heavy shelling in Kharkiv by MLRS strikes, reports of substantial civilian injuries/deaths.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,990 ✭✭✭sparky42


    So Finland and Sweden are sending weapons to Ukraine, seems we are the only one in the EU not doing so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,363 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    No, Austria and Malta have taken the same position.

    It's all semantics anyway, the EU fund is the EU fund, its as stupid as saying here's a billion dollars of American weaponry but Wyoming only wanted to pay for the packing cases.

    From Putin's point of view, there is only the EU. For the bedwetters who are signatories to the Programme for Government, not willing to set aside the defence provisions in the face of an existential threat to the European way of life, I hope they're happy, because I get the sense the prevailing mood among the a Irish public is very different.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,363 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    There was, 21 years ago. They expired about 15 years ago.



  • Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Ultimanemo




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,851 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    What is going on with this russian convoy. Are the ukranians waiting fot them to get to Kiev and then attack? They have any amount of anti tank missiles, Real time tactical information from Nato and Nato advisiors on the ground.

    Is there some larger tactical play here?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    Look like sitting ducks for an airstrike to me. Where is the Ukraine air force?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,851 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    So are they waiting for Nato to tell which targets to hit and when



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Alkers


    There's a youtube video of what appears to be a destroyed T90. Looks to have got stuck and an attempt at a tow by a self-propelled artillery, ending up in both being abandoned.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,990 ✭✭✭sparky42


    There's more than a few of locals stealing everything up to MBTs, hell some of them aren't even broken down or out of fuel, they have just been abandoned... How utterly shite is Russian Morale that they are abandoning military equipment? Hell I wonder is the clip of the couple of Russians getting arrested after going into the local police station for fuel is true?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    If those soldiers going to the police station for fuel is true then that was basically a surrender.



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