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READ SUMMARY IN POST 986 - Amazon.uk Post-Brexit

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,478 ✭✭✭VG31


    Apogee wrote: »
    Does anyone have experience of a German-based forwarding service (e.g. like ParcelMotel)?

    I've found several items in the past which wouldn't ship from amazon.de to Ireland.

    I've used Mailboxde twice. I found them excellent. They're not cheap in comparison with Parcel Motel though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭paddy19


    Mailboxde is not cheap is right, Min seems to be about €10.26.... for a small box 20x5x15 0.5kg


  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm more-so thinking of lack of free shipping, which is one of the main reasons I have my Prime sub. Or would we still get free shipping, but then have to pay tax/import on top anyway? I don't think Prime subs in any other EU storefront gives you free shipping. And I like how my Prime sub with the UK covers my Prime Video subscription too.

    Also, one of the things I buy most on Amazon UK are blu-rays. Buying them from mainland Europe is a bit hit and miss. Most have an English track sure, but you run the risk of subtitles being burned in and of course the covers etc are not going to be in English.

    Does Prime give free shipping to Ireland? I didnt realise that.

    I dont use prime but i get the standard free shipping on any order over £20 (or £25, cant recall).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,468 ✭✭✭Bigmac1euro


    Does Prime give free shipping to Ireland? I didnt realise that.

    I dont use prime but i get the standard free shipping on any order over £20 (or £25, cant recall).

    Yes free shipping to Ireland.
    Best thing I did this year was getting Amazon prime for Christmas shopping. I must be up 200 quid at least on saved shipping fees in the last 3 months.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭torrevieja


    C3PO wrote: »
    I’d be surprised if Amazon don’t set up an Amazon.ie

    Dont know why they Dont,

    I use Amazon.co.uk and have used Parcel Motel as My Home Address, Would it be better to join one of the European Amazon Sites Now, Will i loose any priviliges With Amazon Prime


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    We're probably going to have to get used to filling our Einkufswagon


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 955 ✭✭✭Poncke


    Apogee wrote: »
    Does anyone have experience of a German-based forwarding service (e.g. like ParcelMotel)?

    I've found several items in the past which wouldn't ship from amazon.de to Ireland.


    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=111402289

    My experience with Mailbox.de has been positive and thought the shipping was reasonable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,011 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Would be a bit crap alright if we lose Prime benefits cos of this. It'd make me less likely to buy from amazon without the fast and free delivery I get through that. Grand for something bigger maybe, but buying books or films would definitely be more of a chore


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭SMC92Ian


    Just got an email that anything I buy from Amazon will have customs and vat.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,254 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    SMC92Ian wrote: »
    Just got an email that anything I buy from Amazon will have customs and vat.

    As quoted earlier, it says "May be". Depends on the item and the value.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭SMC92Ian


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    As quoted earlier, it says "May be". Depends on the item and the value.

    Most things I buy are over the €22 customs limit. Guess Amazon is dead to me now. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,193 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    Irish government is like The Simpsons where the Radioactive Man movie is being made the production company are taxed to the gills even being charged for leaving town, if Amazon set up here it's not worth their while as one example An Post will cry that Amazon is horning in on their monopoly for parcel delivery with the distribution system little love Irish ripoff merchants will fold like poorly built houses of cards as Amazon on site in Ireland will cost cut them resulting in the collapse of their businesses. This country is an us versus them outdated and corrupted society where change is feared rather than welcomed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,244 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    None of that makes sense.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭SMC92Ian


    Irish government is like The Simpsons where the Radioactive Man movie is being made the production company are taxed to the gills even being charged for leaving town, if Amazon set up here it's not worth their while as one example An Post will cry that Amazon is horning in on their monopoly for parcel delivery with the distribution system little love Irish ripoff merchants will fold like poorly built houses of cards as Amazon on site in Ireland will cost cut them resulting in the collapse of their businesses. This country is an us versus them outdated and corrupted society where change is feared rather than welcomed.

    Either way we're ****ed. Pay Amazon and customs or pay for local rip off prices.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭JazzyJ


    SMC92Ian wrote: »
    Most things I buy are over the €22 customs limit.

    That limit is going away July 2021 as well. And taxes under €6 were previously not collected - they will be going forward from then.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭dam099


    SMC92Ian wrote: »
    Most things I buy are over the €22 customs limit. Guess Amazon is dead to me now. :(

    €22 is the VAT limit, customs duty limit is €150 (for now until June 2021).

    You pay Irish VAT on Amazon purchases anyway (unless using Parcel Motel or another UK forwarding service) so the impact of the VAT itself should be nil.

    What might be an issue is how the VAT & import duty is assessed and collected, if this is being done by a courier/An Post then their admin fees might make smaller items uneconomical to buy. Amazon are large enough and presumably automated enough they may be able to handle all that on their end without having to pass on much if any cost.

    The fact that they are investing in fulfillment centres in Ireland is a sign they must feel their Irish customer base is still viable post Brexit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,231 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    dam099 wrote: »
    €22 is the VAT limit, customs duty limit is €150 (for now until June 2021).

    You pay Irish VAT on Amazon purchases anyway (unless using Parcel Motel or another UK forwarding service) so the impact of the VAT itself should be nil.

    What might be an issue is how the VAT & import duty is assessed and collected, if this is being done by a courier/An Post then their admin fees might make smaller items uneconomical to buy. Amazon are large enough and presumably automated enough they may be able to handle all that on their end without having to pass on much if any cost.

    The fact that they are investing in fulfillment centres in Ireland is a sign they must feel their Irish customer base is still viable post Brexit.


    I think the key here might be using parcel motel NI for delivery.
    Revenue confirmed no import duties on NI to ROI delivery, and UK have stated no import duties GB to NI.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭dam099


    ELM327 wrote: »
    I think the key here might be using parcel motel NI for delivery.
    Revenue confirmed no import duties on NI to ROI delivery, and UK have stated no import duties GB to NI.

    That might be a possibility but its hard to say until we see how things operate. I don't think the intention is to allow shipping to ROI via NI but there might be a loophole there.

    While there is no import duties I think there will be digital declarations required between GB and NI. Should one of the items to be declared be that the goods are not going to be shipped onward to ROI then Parcel Motel items may get caught for further action that way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,231 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    dam099 wrote: »
    That might be a possibility but its hard to say until we see how things operate. I don't think the intention is to allow shipping to ROI via NI but there might be a loophole there.

    While there is no import duties I think there will be digital declarations required between GB and NI. Should one of the items to be declared be that the goods are not going to be shipped onward to ROI then Parcel Motel items may get caught for further action that way.
    For sure it's not the intention, more of an unintended loophole I'd have thought. Or a potential one at least


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,776 ✭✭✭SmallTeapot


    titan18 wrote: »
    Would be a bit crap alright if we lose Prime benefits cos of this. It'd make me less likely to buy from amazon without the fast and free delivery I get through that. Grand for something bigger maybe, but buying books or films would definitely be more of a chore

    I wholeheartedly agree. The main reason I have prime is for free shipping... :(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,231 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I wholeheartedly agree. The main reason I have prime is for free shipping... :(


    We have it for free shipping and for prime tv. Will have to reconsider if there's taxes on shipping as it doesnt make sense.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,014 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    ELM327 wrote: »
    I think the key here might be using parcel motel NI for delivery.
    Revenue confirmed no import duties on NI to ROI delivery, and UK have stated no import duties GB to NI.

    As if Revenue won't be all over that like a rash.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,023 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Recieved an email from Amazon this morning, gosh they are going to Gouge Irish consumers. I got the email as I've used a European address in the past (they make it sound like it's an illness. I also used a virtual address with DPD but they are ending this service on the 11th December due to brexit, additional customs charges etc.

    As it was Amazon apart from prime, were gouging Irish consumers on delivery charges and outrageous exchange rates.

    I know the other amazon domains can be used but apart from electric plug types (I know adapters an option), I suspect delivery times and charges won't be pretty.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,478 ✭✭✭VG31


    Dempo1 wrote: »
    Recieved an email from Amazon this morning, gosh they are going to Gouge Irish consumers. I got the email as I've used a European address in the past (they make it sound like it's an illness. I also used a virtual address with DPD but they are ending this service on the 11th December due to brexit, additional customs charges etc.

    You do realise they are required to do this by law? Jeff Bezos didn't wake up yesterday and think "how can I piss off Irish customers?".
    Dempo1 wrote: »
    As it was Amazon apart from prime, were gouging Irish consumers on delivery charges and outrageous exchange rates.

    Free delivery over £20 or unlimited free delivery for £8 a month – How is that price gouging?

    Nearly all of these currency converters are rip-offs. PayPal is even worse. You're not forced to use it. Just use a Revolut card or pay in GBP.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,023 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    VG31 wrote: »
    You do realise they are required to do this by law? Jeff Bezos didn't wake up yesterday and think "how can I piss off Irish customers?".



    Free delivery over £20 or unlimited free delivery for £8 a month – How is that price gouging?

    Nearly all of these currency converters are rip-offs. PayPal is even worse. You're not forced to use it. Just use a Revolut card or pay in GBP.

    Free delivery on items over 20? Maybe I'm using amazontimbucktoo.com, just ordered a product for 79 and was charged 10 for delivery to an Irish address, I've rarely ever got free delivery unless using vertual address. I get the prime thing but like many, I'm not a regular user and certainly not going to pay a subscription service.

    Just as an aside, the product I wanted not yet available in Ireland but other sites in UK offering product cheaper, just delivery the issue.

    I guess I'll need to look at new options in the new year.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,478 ✭✭✭VG31


    Dempo1 wrote: »
    Free delivery on items over 20? Maybe I'm using amazontimbucktoo.com, just ordered a product for 79 and was charged 10 for delivery to an Irish address, I've rarely ever got free delivery unless using vertual address. I get the prime thing but like many, I'm not a regular user and certainly not going to pay a subscription service.

    For customers in the Republic of Ireland, orders including £20 or more (including local VAT) of eligible items, dispatched by Amazon, from any product category qualify for FREE Delivery.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201910160

    That is only for items sold or fufilled by Amazon. Items sold and dispatched directly by third party sellers aren't included.

    You most likely bought from a third party seller.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭techdiver


    Does anyone know what the situation is with getting an item shipped that was ordered before January but that would be shipped afterwards? Same for exchanges on faulty items. If I had an item that needs to be replaced what is the situation?


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,014 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    Shipped after January will be from a non-EU country and liable to charges. Replacements after that date are going to be interesting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 955 ✭✭✭Poncke


    Nearly all of these currency converters are rip-offs. PayPal is even worse. You're not forced to use it. Just use a Revolut card or pay in GBP.

    Actually Amazon conversion rates are not that bad at all. The bank has better conversion rates, but when you pay in GBP they add a fee.

    I have used this calculator to see the differences between paying EUR or GBP and the difference is not more than a few cents. Only if the item is a few 100 quid you might save a euro or 2.

    https://personalbanking.bankofireland.com/eea-foreign-exchange-currency-converter/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 955 ✭✭✭Poncke


    Sending stuff back because it is inferior or because the description was not accurate now has to be paid by the customer? Surely not. Anyway, from now on everything that I need to send back is 'broken'.


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  • Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,843 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    SMC92Ian wrote: »
    Most things I buy are over the €22 customs limit. Guess Amazon is dead to me now. :(
    Everything vatable you buy on Amazon UK right now has Irish VAT added. After Brexit, that won't change. Amazon UK will still collect any Irish VAT due so for goods under €150 there won't be any increase in cost (unless the cost of the goods themselves on Amazon UK increase). Indeed purchases of vatable products under €22 will actually be cheaper for the first six months of next year as no VAT at all will be collected on them.

    There MAY be customs duty applied to certain goods in consignments over €150 in value depending on the nature of any trade deal (or more likely in a no-deal scenario).

    So in that case, if buying multiple items of less than €150 in value, make sure that the total value of the order is less than €150 too (by making multiple separate orders if necessary).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,504 ✭✭✭Masala


    Quackster wrote: »
    Everything vatable you buy on Amazon UK right now has Irish VAT added. After Brexit, that won't change. Amazon UK will still collect any Irish VAT due so for goods under €150 they're won't be any increase in cost (unless the cost of the goods themselves on Amazon UK increase). Indeed purchases of vatable products under €22 will actually be cheaper for the first six months of next year as no VAT at all will be collected on them.

    There MAY be customs duty applied to certain goods in consignments over €150 in value depending on the nature of any trade deal (or more likely in a no-deal scenario).

    So... will there a threshold above which duties would be payable??? Will there be a lower limit that doesn't attract duties etc??? I haven't seen any Revenue notices on same etc.....

    Surely - they will be a 'small allowance' made to allow UK residents send a gift home to Ireland etc without lumbering them with a cost when its arrives etc!"


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 17,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Masala wrote: »
    So... will there a threshold above which duties would be payable??? Will there be a lower limit that doesn't attract duties etc??? I haven't seen any Revenue notices on same etc.....
    I suspect there'll be a limit based purely on feasibility - they won't have the manpower to look at all parcels coming from the EU so it'll be a bit of misfortune if your parcel gets picked.


  • Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,843 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    Masala wrote: »
    So... will there a threshold above which duties would be payable??? Will there be a lower limit that doesn't attract duties etc??? I haven't seen any Revenue notices on same etc.....

    Surely - they will be a 'small allowance' made to allow UK residents send a gift home to Ireland etc without lumbering them with a cost when its arrives etc!"
    Same rules as apply to imports from all other non-EU countries. €150 is the lower limit on the application of customs duty.

    Specific reliefs apply in the case of properly-declared gifts: https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/gifts-and-consignments-of-low-value/what-rate-of-customs-duty-is-charged-on-gift-consignments.aspx


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Quackster wrote: »
    Everything vatable you buy on Amazon UK right now has Irish VAT added. After Brexit, that won't change. Amazon UK will still collect any Irish VAT due so for goods under €150 there won't be any increase in cost (unless the cost of the goods themselves on Amazon UK increase). Indeed purchases of vatable products under €22 will actually be cheaper for the first six months of next year as no VAT at all will be collected on them.

    EDIT: I misread what you were saying.


    the collection of VAT, or an estimation of Import Fees (“Import Fee Deposit” https://www.amazon.co.uk/ifd), which may result in a price change at checkout.

    Amazon are going to charge this at point of sale, just like the US.

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    With the likes of Aliexpress its a gamble whether AnPost/DMC Customs catch your item. With this system there is a 100% hit rate for the appropriate taxes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,504 ✭✭✭Masala


    Jeez..... I have never bought anything over €150 from Amazon.

    So - nothing changes for me IF they continue to offer free postage.

    I but stuff from Ebay thru Addresspal from UK - again nothing over €150. So - only change for me is new AddressPal fee is €6.50 instead of €3.95.

    ... so no real biggie for me after 01 Jan. OR have I missed something??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    dam099 wrote: »
    €22 is the VAT limit, customs duty limit is €150 (for now until June 2021).

    You pay Irish VAT on Amazon purchases anyway (unless using Parcel Motel or another UK forwarding service) so the impact of the VAT itself should be nil.

    Yes, correct, so as long as the value is < 150 euro, everything should continue as it is now.

    Is that the case?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Masala wrote: »
    So... will there a threshold above which duties would be payable??? Will there be a lower limit that doesn't attract duties etc??? I haven't seen any Revenue notices on same etc.....

    https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2020/1209/1183380-brexit-charge/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭techdiver


    whiterebel wrote: »
    Shipped after January will be from a non-EU country and liable to charges. Replacements after that date are going to be interesting.

    Is there anywhere where we can get a definitive answer on this? It seems a shambles that there is no clear information about these scenarios published condensing we are days away from this coming into force.


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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,014 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    Masala wrote: »
    Jeez..... I have never bought anything over €150 from Amazon.

    So - nothing changes for me IF they continue to offer free postage.

    I but stuff from Ebay thru Addresspal from UK - again nothing over €150. So - only change for me is new AddressPal fee is €6.50 instead of €3.95.

    ... so no real biggie for me after 01 Jan. OR have I missed something??

    Amazon collect Irish VAT on their sales to Ireland. If the eBay seller doesn't do that, there will be VAT applicable if the value os over €22, plus AN Post clearance fee. I'm dealing with a retailer in the UK at the moment, and they don't account for the VAT. At the moment it may be that I would be looking at paying their price including 20% VAT, and then add 21% VAT here. At that rate the UK won't be an option.


  • Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,843 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    Masala wrote: »
    Jeez..... I have never bought anything over €150 from Amazon.

    So - nothing changes for me IF they continue to offer free postage.

    I but stuff from Ebay thru Addresspal from UK - again nothing over €150. So - only change for me is new AddressPal fee is €6.50 instead of €3.95.

    ... so no real biggie for me after 01 Jan. OR have I missed something??
    Buying stuff through AddressPal could cost a good bit more as any parcels coming through them that get hit by customs will carry a €10 An Post admin fee on top of everything else. Might not be economical.

    Edit: Actually, if you buy through AddressPal, you could end up paying VAT on the double. UK VAT as it will have a GB delivery address and then Irish VAT when accesed by customs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    Is the following correct ?

    If I (living in Ireland) keep paying for Prime with Amazon UK post-Brexit, I can keep Free Delivery.
    All items under €150 and more than €22 have VAT only added which Amazon UK already adds on so no change there.
    So it's just items over €150 I need to worry about.
    Correct ?


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,014 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    Is the following correct ?

    If I (living in Ireland) keep paying for Prime with Amazon UK post-Brexit, I can keep Free Delivery.
    All items under €150 and more than €22 have VAT only added which Amazon UK already adds on so no change there.
    So it's just items over €150 I need to worry about.
    Correct ?

    Until July 1st when the €22 threshold is abolished. That seems to be the state of play at the moment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,011 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    whiterebel wrote: »
    Until July 1st when the €22 threshold is abolished. That seems to be the state of play at the moment.

    What about things under 22 euro? And is that 150 per order or per person? If I order something worth 100 eurot this month and 100 euro next month, is that cool or I get customs on the second order?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,254 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Anybody know if you can get a gift card balance on .co.uk over to .de?


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  • Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,843 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    titan18 wrote: »
    What about things under 22 euro? And is that 150 per order or per person? If I order something worth 100 eurot this month and 100 euro next month, is that cool or I get customs on the second order?
    Everything is per consignment. No VAT on consignments under €22 in value until July 1st. If buying multiple items, split them into multiple orders, each of less than €150 value if at all possible.

    No word from Amazon on free Irish delivery yet but they haven't said they're ending it. I don't see why they would either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,011 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Quackster wrote: »
    Everything is per consignment. No VAT on consignments under €22 in value until July 1st. If buying multiple items, split them into multiple orders, each of less than €150 value if at all possible.

    No word from Amazon on free Irish delivery yet but they haven't said they're ending it. I don't see why they would either.

    That's good. Guess only further issue will be if prime delivery becomes a lot slower


  • Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,843 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    titan18 wrote: »
    That's good. Guess only further issue will be if prime delivery becomes a lot slower
    I would assume Revenue will regard Amazon UK as a retailer that can be safely trusted to properly declare their consignments and so will carry out pretty limited spot-checks of their packages. So hopefully any additional delay going through customs clearance will be fairly minimal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,516 ✭✭✭Outkast_IRE


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Anybody know if you can get a gift card balance on .co.uk over to .de?

    Usually not they were pretty clear on this last time I checked it


  • Registered Users Posts: 522 ✭✭✭Full_Circle_81


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    Is the following correct ?

    If I (living in Ireland) keep paying for Prime with Amazon UK post-Brexit, I can keep Free Delivery.
    All items under €150 and more than €22 have VAT only added which Amazon UK already adds on so no change there.
    So it's just items over €150 I need to worry about.
    Correct ?

    I just finished watching the RTE news and this was what they stated too. If that's the case, then this change is not as much of a problem as I thought.

    Up to now, it was my understanding that anything over €22 would be subject to import tax. If it's only items over €150, how come I've had to pay import tax (and An Post fees on top) for items I've bought from the US? That's why I thought it was anything over €22, not over €150.


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