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READ SUMMARY IN POST 986 - Amazon.uk Post-Brexit

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    #182
    scamalert
    Registered Users Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭scamalert


    emy wrote: »
    Just purchased a few items from Amazon UK, no import charging at the checkout, on the other hand, eBay has already introduced the import charges. Why the eBay is doing this before 1st of January?
    as most likely by the time youll get it it will be after 1st of Jan, the postal service must be defcon5 lvl at the moment will all the crap going on, so wouldnt blame ebay for implementing this in advance, as think come Jan1 whatever comes in gonna have vat+customs applied, and doubt they will care when it was shipped :cool:



    that said open for correction.


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    #183
    Quackster
    Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,741 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    crossmolinalad wrote: »
    i keep it for the music and the movies
    There's no reason to believe that free delivery will be scrapped so I don't understand why anyone who currently has Prime would be in any rush to get rid of it at this point in time.

    Assuming the deal is agreed, there won't be any customs duty so things should continue largely as-is, at least for goods sold by Amazon themselves.


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    #184
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users Posts: 5,462 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Quackster wrote: »
    There's no reason to believe that free delivery will be scrapped so I don't understand why anyone who currently has Prime would be in any rush to get rid of it at this point in time.

    Assuming the deal is agreed, there won't be any customs duty so things should continue largely as-is, at least for goods sold by Amazon themselves.


    It isn't that simple. There will be no duty on British goods, but most things in Amazon are not British, but arrive from the Far East into an Amazon Warehouse. Whatever happens, Amazon are best placed to figure it out, compared to other sellers.


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    #185
    GarIT
    Registered Users Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    Quackster wrote: »
    There's no reason to believe that free delivery will be scrapped so I don't understand why anyone who currently has Prime would be in any rush to get rid of it at this point in time.

    Assuming the deal is agreed, there won't be any customs duty so things should continue largely as-is, at least for goods sold by Amazon themselves.

    If there's no deal the prices could go up so there might be no point in ordering from them delivery charge or not.


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    #186
    Quackster
    Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,741 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    GarIT wrote: »
    If there's no deal the prices could go up so there might be no point in ordering from them delivery charge or not.
    So cancel if & when prices do go up, no need to jump the gun.


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    #187
    Quackster
    Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,741 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    Charles Babbage wrote: »
    It isn't that simple. There will be no duty on British goods, but most things in Amazon are not British, but arrive from the Far East into an Amazon Warehouse. Whatever happens, Amazon are best placed to figure it out, compared to other sellers.
    Such goods may have duty applied now on import into the EU, which is factored into the prices Amazon sell them for. There shouldn't be any significant cost effect there. In any case, Amazon will likely route such goods shipped to Irish addresses via EU warehouses as much as is possible/practicable.


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    #188
    emy
    Registered Users Posts: 207 ✭✭emy


    Brexit is such a political mess, even the British people will be affected.


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    #189
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users Posts: 5,462 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Quackster wrote: »
    Such goods may have duty applied now on import into the EU, which is factored into the prices Amazon sell them for. There shouldn't be any significant cost effect there. In any case, Amazon will likely route such goods shipped to Irish addresses via EU warehouses as much as is possible/practicable.


    Routing them via European warehouses is a solution, which is something Amazon can do more easily than most other sellers. It would require a sort of virtual .ie Amazon though.


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    #190
    fredotf2
    Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭fredotf2


    So I think part of the deal that was just just reached is that there will be no tariffs between the UK and the EU. Which means we can continue to use amazon UK tariff free.


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    #191
    whiterebel
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,833 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    fredotf2 wrote: »
    So I think part of the deal that was just just reached is that there will be no tariffs between the UK and the EU. Which means we can continue to use amazon UK tariff free.

    It has to be ratified by the EU. They don’t know if this will happen before the end of the year.


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    #192
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users Posts: 81,180 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
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    fredotf2 wrote: »
    So I think part of the deal that was just just reached is that there will be no tariffs between the UK and the EU. Which means we can continue to use amazon UK tariff free.


    No tariffs but would be VAT on items over €22.


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    #193
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users Posts: 10,437 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    fredotf2 wrote: »
    So I think part of the deal that was just just reached is that there will be no tariffs between the UK and the EU. Which means we can continue to use amazon UK tariff free.

    No tariffs, but VAT and Duty may still apply.


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    #194
    elgicko
    Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭elgicko


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    No tariffs, but VAT and Duty may still apply.

    We already pay VAT @ Irish rate on goods from Amazon UK.

    Customs charges not applicable on orders < €150.


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    #195
    TheDriver
    Registered Users Posts: 12,393 ✭✭✭✭TheDriver


    elgicko wrote: »
    We already pay VAT @ Irish rate on goods from Amazon UK.

    Customs charges not applicable on orders < €150.

    So to be clear:
    VAT vs Tariffs vs Customs charges
    There must be Irish VAT applied onto UK goods as you can no longer use the "VAT was paid in a member state" line. Amazon have the mechanism to swap this out.
    There are no tarriffs to be paid.
    Customs charges: Now what is this? Is it different to paying VAT?


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    #196
    SMC92Ian
    Registered Users Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭SMC92Ian


    scamalert wrote: »
    as most likely by the time youll get it it will be after 1st of Jan, the postal service must be defcon5 lvl at the moment will all the crap going on, so wouldnt blame ebay for implementing this in advance, as think come Jan1 whatever comes in gonna have vat+customs applied, and doubt they will care when it was shipped :cool:



    that said open for correction.

    All my packages came 1-2 days. People going insane but AnPost has delivered all my packages before Christmas after having dates 28th and 3rd of Jan.


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    #197
    Quackster
    Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,741 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    TheDriver wrote: »
    So to be clear:
    VAT vs Tariffs vs Customs charges
    There must be Irish VAT applied onto UK goods as you can no longer use the "VAT was paid in a member state" line. Amazon have the mechanism to swap this out.
    There are no tarriffs to be paid.
    Customs charges: Now what is this? Is it different to paying VAT?
    Customs duties are charged according to the relevant tarrif list. The Brexit deal means there will be no tarrifs on the import of UK goods into the EU (so no customs duties) but tarrifs will apply on some third-country goods imported via the UK (just as they do now).

    'Customs charges' is just a catch-all term for all charges that may be levied on imported goods - customs duty (including anti-dumping and countervailing duties), excise duty and VAT.


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    #198
    AdrianII
    Registered Users Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭AdrianII


    Quackster wrote: »
    Customs duties are charged according to the relevant tarrif list. The Brexit deal means there will be no tarrifs on the import of UK goods into the EU (so no customs duties) but tarrifs will apply on some third-country goods imported via the UK (just as they do now).

    'Customs charges' is just a catch-all term for all charges that may be levied on imported goods - customs duty (including anti-dumping and countervailing duties), excise duty and VAT.


    So is there no import tax or customs duty with this deal?


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    #199
    Quackster
    Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,741 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    AdrianII wrote: »
    So is there no import tax or customs duty with this deal?
    The real hassle will be buying from small businesses and private sellers as they won't be in a position to collect Irish VAT (although marketplaces like Amazon and eBay will have to do so for all their sellers from 1st July).

    In those situations, An Post or another courier will pay the VAT on your behalf and then bill you, adding on their admin fee for the privilege.


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    #200
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    So you have to be ready to scan a card into a machine when they call?


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    #201
    harmless
    Registered Users Posts: 965 ✭✭✭harmless


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    So you have to be ready to scan a card into a machine when they call?
    I would think you have to ether your card details on an email they will send you before it even goes out for delivery.


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    #202
    Quackster
    Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,741 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    So you have to be ready to scan a card into a machine when they call?
    Amazon will almost certainly collect what's due on what they sell themselves during checkout, as they do now. No extra charges on delivery.

    They will have to do the same for third-party sellers on their site from 1st July. However it's possible/likely charges on delivery will apply to marketplace purchases in the meantime.


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    #203
    TheDriver
    Registered Users Posts: 12,393 ✭✭✭✭TheDriver


    Quackster wrote: »
    Customs duties are charged according to the relevant tarrif list. The Brexit deal means there will be no tarrifs on the import of UK goods into the EU (so no customs duties) but tarrifs will apply on some third-country goods imported via the UK (just as they do now).

    'Customs charges' is just a catch-all term for all charges that may be levied on imported goods - customs duty (including anti-dumping and countervailing duties), excise duty and VAT.

    Ah, well explained. So what is a UK good? A Xiaomi phone on Amazon in a UK warehouse? A pair of Clarks shoes made in Vietnam but sourced from Clarks UK?


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    #204
    SouthWesterly
    Registered Users Posts: 6,456 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    TheDriver wrote: »
    Ah, well explained. So what is a UK good? A Xiaomi phone on Amazon in a UK warehouse? A pair of Clarks shoes made in Vietnam but sourced from Clarks UK?

    Really makes you wonder why they wanted to leave the EU :)


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    #205
    Darc19
    Registered Users Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Darc19


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    No tariffs, but VAT and Duty may still apply.

    Tarriffs = Duty.

    Vat will apply. Nothing will change that unless the UK returns to the EU.

    Amazon will probably be granted "trusted company" status and will do bulk entries from Amazon UK to Amazon EU and then it will be Amazon EU that will drop parcels into An Post


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    #206
    harmless
    Registered Users Posts: 965 ✭✭✭harmless


    TheDriver wrote: »
    Ah, well explained. So what is a UK good? A Xiaomi phone on Amazon in a UK warehouse? A pair of Clarks shoes made in Vietnam but sourced from Clarks UK?


    The actual country of origin does not matter, duty must be paid on certain goods when entering the single market.

    The exception to this would be countries that have a trade deal with the EU.

    That can be a comprehensive trade deal like the one agreed with the UK today.
    Or it can be a lesser agreement that removes tarries on some goods but not others.


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    #207
    TheDriver
    Registered Users Posts: 12,393 ✭✭✭✭TheDriver


    harmless wrote: »
    The actual country of origin does not matter, duty must be paid on certain goods when entering the single market.

    So is there going to be duty on items coming from your UK? (excluding alco and cigs)


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    #208
    harmless
    Registered Users Posts: 965 ✭✭✭harmless


    TheDriver wrote: »
    So is there going to be duty on items coming from your UK? (excluding alco and cigs)


    Once this agreement is ratified there will be no duty payments on goods coming from the UK to EU or the other way around.


    This could change in the future but for now it's not a worry.


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    #209
    wozniattack
    Registered Users Posts: 65 ✭✭wozniattack


    harmless wrote: »
    Once this agreement is ratified there will be no duty payments on goods coming from the UK to EU or the other way around.


    This could change in the future but for now it's not a worry.


    Address Pal still notes they'll be taking customs fees from the UK January; hope that's updated soon.

    I got some big print product orders coming, and Saxoprint apparently only ship to the UK.

    BUT; their packaging printing is done in Germany, and ship from Germany, but an "All" UK company lol. :confused:


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    #210
    harmless
    Registered Users Posts: 965 ✭✭✭harmless


    wozniattack wrote: »
    Address Pal still notes they'll be taking customs fees from the UK January; hope that's updated soon.

    I got some big print product orders coming, and Saxoprint apparently only ship to the UK.

    BUT; their packaging printing is done in Germany, and ship from Germany, but an "All" UK company lol. :confused:


    Addresspal and other delivery services will be collecting VAT for Ireland as most retailers in the UK are not registered for VAT in Ireland.(or anywhere in the EU)

    Amazon.co.uk is registered for VAT in Ireland.


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    #211
    wozniattack
    Registered Users Posts: 65 ✭✭wozniattack


    harmless wrote: »
    Addresspal and other delivery services will be collecting VAT for Ireland as most retailers in the UK are not registered for VAT in Ireland.

    Amazon.co.uk is registered for VAT in Ireland.


    So if the value is over 150, still get shafted on customs?

    Never had that issue in the past, and if things are still no customs duty, why would they suddenly start charging us?

    Edit, also many amazon stuff doesn't ship to Ireland, hence AddressPal being used.


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