Local Elections 2019

is_that_so · 25-05-2019 7:50pm

Wicklow Tally is interesting.

https://twitter.com/ingridmileyRTE/status/1132355662401417221

Itssoeasy · 25-05-2019 8:14pm

I hope nobody here is playing the "sinn fein vote has collapsed" drinking game because I heard it three times in one news bulletin on RTÉ news now. Mary Lou McDonald will have some questions to answer as party leader I think.

Danzy · 25-05-2019 8:24pm

mugsymugsy wrote: »

Yeah reading the Anglo celt online the tallies seem to say SF could be wiped out of all Cavan council. Border county in theory should be their stomping ground

That screams out crisis but few will listen.

Inquitus · 25-05-2019 8:29pm

is_that_so wrote: »

Wicklow Tally is interesting.

https://twitter.com/ingridmileyRTE/status/1132355662401417221

Is that in reference to the Wicklow exit poll, or the national exit poll? Seems the exit poll is way off if the former.

AndrewJRenko · 25-05-2019 9:06pm

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

It's not true equality...gender quotas are a backward ideology

Except for the fact that they work to bring about improved gender balance over the course of a few elections

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

I'm referring to the Sinn Fein policy. Sinn Fein brought in a 50-50 split gender quota in a lot of areas where possible. It was another reason they lost several councillors and members. Was viewed as unfair on male candidates.

Here's details of the Government requirements, which impact party funding. Leo has stated that the 30% requirement will increase to 40% in the coming years.
https://content.sciendo.com/view/journals/admin/65/2/article-p15.xml

Blueshoe wrote: »

A sad day for democracy

Because the democratic process worked?

Didn't you say that it wouldn't make any difference anyway?

Blueshoe · 25-05-2019 9:08pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Except for the fact that they work to bring about improved gender balance over the course of a few elections

Here's details of the Government requirements, which impact party funding. Leo has stated that the 30% requirement will increase to 40% in the coming years.
https://content.sciendo.com/view/journals/admin/65/2/article-p15.xml

Because the democratic process worked?

Didn't you say that it wouldn't make any difference anyway?

You must have missed the videos.
Open to bribery.

Not that it matters to you since you are just here to argue with anyone and everyone

Gender quotas:
Quotas are against the principle of equal opportunity for all, since women are given preference over men.

Quotas are undemocratic, because voters should be able to decide who is elected.

Quotas imply that politicians are elected because of their gender, not because of their qualifications and that more qualified candidates are pushed aside.

Many women do not want to get elected just because they are women.

Introducing quotas creates significant conflicts within the party organization.

Quotas violate the principles of liberal democracy.

Fan of Netflix · 25-05-2019 9:17pm

L1011 wrote: »

No. Don't want to name him in case it works like summoning Beetlejuice!

Cronin is exactly the type of person that cost Sinn Fein, divisive and always stirring it on twitter. If they are to recover they need to change. They seem to be losing seats everywhere.

Itssoeasy · 25-05-2019 9:17pm

Nothing from cork city yet.

c.p.w.g.w · 25-05-2019 9:17pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Except for the fact that they work to bring about improved gender balance over the course of a few elections

Here's details of the Government requirements, which impact party funding. Leo has stated that the 30% requirement will increase to 40% in the coming years.
https://content.sciendo.com/view/journals/admin/65/2/article-p15.xml

Because the democratic process worked?

Didn't you say that it wouldn't make any difference anyway?

So are we going to do this for nursing too? Or Bin collecters? True gender equality for each role and job in society is an unrealistic pipe dream and is only going to embolden the fringes of both the right & left alike

AndrewJRenko · 25-05-2019 9:19pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

You must have missed the videos.
Open to bribery.

Not that it matters to you since you are just here to argue with anyone and everyone

Gender quotas:
Quotas are against the principle of equal opportunity for all, since women are given preference over men.

Quotas are undemocratic, because voters should be able to decide who is elected.

Quotas imply that politicians are elected because of their gender, not because of their qualifications and that more qualified candidates are pushed aside.

Many women do not want to get elected just because they are women.

Introducing quotas creates significant conflicts within the party organization.

Quotas violate the principles of liberal democracy.

What videos are you talking about?

But if you're going to quote from another site, you really should reference that site. Here's the 'Pro' list from the site where you found the 'Con' list that you copied above;

https://www.idea.int/data-tools/data/gender-quotas/quotas

Pros
Quotas for women do not discriminate, but compensate for actual barriers that prevent women from their fair share of the political seats.

Quotas imply that there are several women together in a committee or assembly, thus minimizing the stress often experienced by the token women.

Women have the right as citizens to equal representation.

Women's experiences are needed in political life.

Election is about representation, not educational qualifications.

Women are just as qualified as men, but women's qualifications are downgraded and minimized in a male-dominated political system.

It is in fact the political parties that control the nominations, not primarily the voters who decide who gets elected; therefore quotas are not violations of voters' rights.

Introducing quotas may cause conflicts, but may be only temporarily.

Quotas can contribute to a process of democratisation by making the nomination process more transparent and formalised.

I actually didn't like the ideas of quotas myself, until I looked the evidence showing that the actually work, and they're the only thing that actually works to improve gender balance of public representatives.

Fan of Netflix · 25-05-2019 9:19pm

Danzy wrote: »

That screams out crisis but few will listen.

Sinn Fein HQ have done a good job destroying themselves in Cavan Monaghan Meath Louth Offaly and many other places.

AndrewJRenko · 25-05-2019 9:20pm

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

So are we going to do this for nursing too? Or Bin collecters? True gender equality for each role and job in society is an unrealistic pipe dream and is only going to embolden the fringes of both the right & left alike

I dunno, I'm not in charge. There's a big difference between TDs/Senators/Councillors and nurses or bin collectors in fairness. But if you think it's important, maybe you'd like to start doing something about it yourself, like get a campaign going.

devlinio · 25-05-2019 9:26pm

Gender quotas are bull****. I don't care if my candidate is male or female. I care that they appear competent enough to get my vote.

Fan of Netflix · 25-05-2019 9:31pm

Another Sinn Fein twitter mouthpiece Sarah Holland looks like losing her seat. She is on the Ard Comhairle also, total disaster for Sinn Fein.

c.p.w.g.w · 25-05-2019 9:34pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I dunno, I'm not in charge. There's a big difference between TDs/Senators/Councillors and nurses or bin collectors in fairness. But if you think it's important, maybe you'd like to start doing something about it yourself, like get a campaign going.

Unfortunately disagreeing with gender quotas lends to accusations of bigotry.

When it was done for business' in Switzerland you could see many very qualified women holding positions on numerous boards just to make the quota. It didn't actually help bring more women into these boards, just the same few, but instead of being on 1 board, they were now on 5-6 boards.

In terms of politics, because it should be representive does that mean does that mean all parties should have people of African, Asian & Espanic descent and Muslim, Buddhist, Athirst and Christian faith too...it's a slipperly slope into to ridiculous.

If parties are just putting females up for elections because of their gender and not their talent isn't that just a huge backward step for equality

amcalester · 25-05-2019 9:35pm

devlinio wrote: »

Gender quotas are bull****. I don't care if my candidate is male or female. I care that they appear competent enough to get my vote.

You don’t even care about that, as long as they’re FG they’ll get your vote.

mugsymugsy · 25-05-2019 9:43pm

bren2001 wrote: »

They should equate to the first preference votes. You've a number of people standing over each box marking down each ballot. Take several hours for the boxes to be counted and a few more for them to be inputted in a spread sheet. Typically, all the parties work together except SF. They work by themselves.

Do SF really not work with others on the tally work?

Blueshoe · 25-05-2019 10:03pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

What videos are you talking about?

But if you're going to quote from another site, you really should reference that site. Here's the 'Pro' list from the site where you found the 'Con' list that you copied above;

https://www.idea.int/data-tools/data/gender-quotas/quotas

I actually didn't like the ideas of quotas myself, until I looked the evidence showing that the actually work, and they're the only thing that actually works to improve gender balance of public representatives.

The 3 candidates who are current councillors were secretly filmed during a prime time investigation and said they would act in the developers favour in return for cash and or work for their own companies.
The clips were replayed last week with the candidates being approached for comment since they were running for election. One in particular was a nasty pos.

Looks like they have all been elected again in spite of them being shown up as corrupt parasites

ForestFire · 25-05-2019 10:04pm

So the green party have about 8.4% of the national vote and conveniently the government will use this to push through carbon taxes on the actual majority (the 91% that did not vote green) . Saying we are ready to accept it.... Eh... No thanks... I'm paying enough taxes, thanks very much.

I mean give us a break. If you want carbon taxes, just do it yourself and stop claiming there is a clear message from the voters.... 8.4%... Really.

Are they going to take all the policy's of any party that has at least 8%?

No I'd doubt it very much... Jeuses... the healy Ray family probably have close to 8% on their own in kerry :-)

Let's listen to them........

By the way I'm all for green policies, but instead of taxing everything, that will have little effect, except raise money, that is not spent on anything green, maybe the message is, to give us grants and incentives to insulate our homes, convert to cleaner energy??

Blueshoe · 25-05-2019 10:06pm

ForestFire wrote: »

So the green party have about 8.4% of the national vote and conveniently the government will use this to push through carbon taxes on the actual majority (the 91% that did not vote green) . Saying we are ready to accept it.... Eh... No thanks... I'm paying enough taxes, thanks very much.

I mean give us a break. If you want carbon taxes, just do it yourself and stop claiming there is a clear message from the voters.... 8.4%... Really.

Are they going to take all the policy's of any party that has at least 8%?

No I'd doubt it very much... Jeuses... the healy Ray family probably have close to 8% on their own in kerry :-)

Let's listen to them........

By the way I'm all for green policies, but instead of taxing everything, that will have little effect, except raise money, that is not spent on anything green, maybe the message is, to give us grants and incentives to insulate our homes, convert to cleaner energy??

That costs money. The government only want money coming in not out

splinter65 · 25-05-2019 10:09pm

Aska wrote: »

Anyword on young Lowry in tipp? Michaels son I assume, saw all the 'team Lowry' posters around the place down there

He’s topping the tally. By a long chalk.

Hurrache · 25-05-2019 10:21pm

There's a lot of wild crying that green policies are all about tax. Educate yourselves people.

AndrewJRenko · 25-05-2019 10:23pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

The 3 candidates who are current councillors were secretly filmed during a prime time investigation and said they would act in the developers favour in return for cash and or work for their own companies.
The clips were replayed last week with the candidates being approached for comment since they were running for election. One in particular was a nasty pos.

Looks like they have all been elected again in spite of them being shown up as corrupt parasites

So there are three corrupt councillors, and yeah, there's probably a few more that haven't been caught yet. But it's a big leap from there to 'they're all corrupt and brown envelopes', which the same as the oul 'all priests are paedos' and 'all Gardai are on the take'. It's just nonsense.

Most politicians are decent folks, doing their best to improve the country according to their values. Councillors pay is pretty crap, so they get next to nothing for the chance of being hounded by their constituences for the house or the planning or the pothole.

But if you don't like the idea of corrupt councillors getting re-elected, there's one thing you can do to reduce the chances of this happening.

knipex · 25-05-2019 10:26pm

ForestFire wrote: »

, maybe the message is, to give us grants and incentives to insulate our homes, convert to cleaner energy??

You mean like these ones ??

https://www.seai.ie/grants/home-energy-grants/insulation-grants/

Fan of Netflix · 25-05-2019 10:27pm

McIlvanny the Monaghan councillor from Prime Time probably got re elected but there was only 7 candidates running in a 6 seater I think.

Blueshoe · 25-05-2019 10:27pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So there are three corrupt councillors, and yeah, there's probably a few more that haven't been caught yet. But it's a big leap from there to 'they're all corrupt and brown envelopes', which the same as the oul 'all priests are paedos' and 'all Gardai are on the take'. It's just nonsense.

Most politicians are decent folks, doing their best to improve the country according to their values. Councillors pay is pretty crap, so they get next to nothing for the chance of being hounded by their constituences for the house or the planning or the pothole.

But if you don't like the idea of corrupt councillors getting re-elected, there's one thing you can do to reduce the chances of this happening.

Who said" they're all corrupt and brown envelopes" ?
Who are you quoting?

That's why I specifically mentioned the three and only the three. I asked about any news about them. Heard that they all looked like being elected. Gave out that they were re-elected. Didn't mention anyone else.

Outrage bot.

L1011 · 25-05-2019 10:30pm

Someone's about to be elected twice to the same council (Meath) which means she'll have to resign one seat immediately and hope her suggested replacement is coopted.

Someone had asked if this had happened before and I don't think it had!

Dirkziggler · 25-05-2019 10:36pm

L1011 wrote: »

Someone's about to be elected twice to the same council (Meath) which means she'll have to resign one seat immediately and hope her suggested replacement is coopted.

Someone had asked if this had happened before and I don't think it had!

Can you explain the situation mate.

L1011 · 25-05-2019 10:38pm

Dirkziggler wrote: »

Can you explain the situation mate.

Candidate believes her electoral base is split over two LEAs and runs in both.

She has now won a seat in both.

She needs to select which one to actually take and resign the other. If she was in a party they would nominate someone to take the other; but she's Independent so in theory the whole council decides the replacement. Convention is they do accept the suggestion

Most candidates who run in multiple areas are cranks but it would appear not here

L1011 · 25-05-2019 10:41pm

It also looks like the ex-FG Kevin Callan could do the same in both Drogheda LEAs!

robman60 · 25-05-2019 10:42pm

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

So are we going to do this for nursing too? Or Bin collecters? True gender equality for each role and job in society is an unrealistic pipe dream and is only going to embolden the fringes of both the right & left alike

It's on its way to the Supreme Court. Could be struck down yet but our court is weak on these issues, especially when it appeals to the D4 class.

Only chance is Dónal O'Donnell imposes some sense on the Supreme Court and the other judges follow suit. He already corrected an outrageous legal error by the Court of Appeal on standing to bring the case. Whatever about 30%, the 40% which will be in for all elections after 2022 is a ridiculous straight jacket. Smaller parties with say seven men four women running would lose half their funding. It's farcical.

L1011 · 25-05-2019 10:45pm

Parties of that scale don't get Electoral Act funding. You need to have got 2% of a national poll

Dirkziggler · 25-05-2019 10:46pm

L1011 wrote: »

Candidate believes her electoral base is split over two LEAs and runs in both.

She has now won a seat in both.

She needs to select which one to actually take and resign the other. If she was in a party they would nominate someone to take the other; but she's Independent so in theory the whole council decides the replacement. Convention is they do accept the suggestion

Most candidates who run in multiple areas are cranks but it would appear not here

Right right sorry I'm not familiar with that at all.

Does that not give her an unfair advantage due to being offered a chance of 2 electorates.

L1011 · 25-05-2019 10:47pm

Dirkziggler wrote: »

Right right sorry I'm not familiar with that at all.

Does that not give her an unfair advantage due to being offered a chance of 2 electorates.

Everyone is free to do it so its not unfair in that way. It's expensive if you actually campaign in both

robman60 · 25-05-2019 10:48pm

L1011 wrote: »

Parties of that scale don't get Electoral Act funding. You need to have got 2% of a national poll

Well if you want to make it even more farcical go with 13 men and 8 women. The point is sampling variance alone with relatively small numbers could have parties falling foul of the 40% de facto requirement.

The sentiment might be well-meaning but it's a move of the sort of simplistic minds that would need supervision on a swing.

Danzy · 25-05-2019 10:52pm

mugsymugsy wrote: »

Do SF really not work with others on the tally work?

No, not true.

Fan of Netflix · 25-05-2019 10:53pm

How are the smaller parties doing? eg Soc Dems, Renua, Aontu, Solidarity, PBP

donspeekinglesh · 25-05-2019 10:56pm

L1011 wrote: »

Someone's about to be elected twice to the same council (Meath) which means she'll have to resign one seat immediately and hope her suggested replacement is coopted.

Someone had asked if this had happened before and I don't think it had!

I think she said she might take legal action to be able to take both seats.

L1011 · 25-05-2019 10:56pm

SocDems - some gains. Gannon's old seat is gone but he should be fine in his new one

The rest are flat or down really. S/PBP even possibly losing seats in DL which is the only Dail seat they are expected to retain

L1011 · 25-05-2019 10:57pm

donspeekinglesh wrote: »

I think she said she might take legal action to be able to take both seats.

It'll absolutely and utterly fail

Does she want the two votes or the two salaries or what?

NIMAN · 25-05-2019 10:58pm

Were the local elections always covered in such detail on the RTE website?

Or is this a new thing for them?

retalivity · 25-05-2019 10:59pm

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

McIlvanny the Monaghan councillor from Prime Time probably got re elected but there was only 7 candidates running in a 6 seater I think.

O'Donnell in Donegal looks to have topped the poll with 25% of the initial tallies, refused to give an interview to rte who are 'on a witchhunt'.

Some people...

Sierra Oscar · 25-05-2019 11:00pm

NIMAN wrote: »

Were the local elections always covered in such detail on the RTE website?

Or is this a new thing for them?

It's similar to 2014. Certainly more coverage on social media but that's not too surprising.

ForestFire · 25-05-2019 11:05pm

knipex wrote: »

You mean like these ones ??

https://www.seai.ie/grants/home-energy-grants/insulation-grants/

Tell me, can the homes that are in most need of upgraded insulation avail of these grants realistically?

In most cases you need significant money yourself, as the grants only cover part of the work.

So we have a aystem where the poor are taxed with the rest of us to subsidise peope who have money to make their home better.

Tell me, how is a 5k grant on a luxury vehicle benifit the average person?
Do you think all these rich people, who buy these cars, would not do it without the grant?
Will the sale of luxury cars save the planet, because I can tell you, before electric vehicles become affordable to all, the grants will be gone, and the free charging yeah only the few elite early adapters will get that also from our taxes.

Our carbon taxes currely are Subsidising the rich only and not an effective way to really target emissions reduction.

Fr Tod Umptious · 25-05-2019 11:11pm

NIMAN wrote: »

Were the local elections always covered in such detail on the RTE website?

Or is this a new thing for them?

Locals only come around every 5 years and that is a long time in technology

So I'd say RTE can keep enhancing their local election coverage in leaps and bounds compared to the previous local election.

awec · 25-05-2019 11:11pm

Hurrache wrote: »

There's a lot of wild crying that green policies are all about tax. Educate yourselves people.

My twitter seems to be full of workers party types who seem absolutely raging that people have chosen the Greens over them.

Dirkziggler · 25-05-2019 11:17pm

awec wrote: »

My twitter seems to be full of workers party types who seem absolutely raging that people have chosen the Greens over them.

Greens will fail miserably once again. They have no cohesive plan and we will now see this.

Blueshoe · 25-05-2019 11:17pm

awec wrote: »

My twitter seems to be full of workers party types who seem absolutely raging that people have chosen the Greens over them.

Mine is full of people who just want free social housing and handouts. They don't fear any new tax because it won't affect them.

Dirkziggler · 25-05-2019 11:18pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

Mine is full of people who just want free social housing and handouts. They don't fear any new tax because it won't affect them.

Shoe or shirt?

awec · 25-05-2019 11:20pm

Dirkziggler wrote: »

Greens will fail miserably once again. They have no cohesive plan and we will now see this.

Wouldn't doubt it, but I'd say it's an awful kick in the teeth to realise that even when votes do drift away from the traditional parties that you're still not seen as a worthwhile group.

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