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RTE cameraman attacked by Gardai

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    #122
    Sheep Lover
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭Sheep Lover


    my friend wrote: »
    Yeah in your utopia only Shinners should have guns ...

    Eh?


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    #123
    Collie D
    Registered Users Posts: 11,308 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    Clandestine wrote: »
    Alright, so does anyone know how to report something from facebook to the guards?
    https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=913561958751080&id=912549568852319

    Hmm, can't say I condone that. Still better than the bile spouted on the Pegida Ireland Twatter feed


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    #124
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Everyone has the right to protest though, even racists. Its called democracy. So the republican left or whatever they call themselves are not in any position to be threatening people.


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    #125
    ezra_pound
    Registered Users Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭ezra_pound


    Manach wrote: »
    My offhand understanding is that journalists are afforded by custom and international treaty a measure of immunity as recorders of current events. This is not always respected : as numerous causulties that occur in trouble spots around the world attest. Thus a pity this protection is not the case in the Ireland of 2016.

    Oh please!

    He wasn't prevented from reporting. He was getting in the way of the gardai.


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    #126
    jimmycrackcorm
    Registered Users Posts: 14,329 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    jam_mac_jam wrote:
    Amazed by the reaction here , whatever about a protester,hitting a camera man is quite sinister.

    Is it amazing, is it really?

    At least the Gardai are fair, hitting both camera carrying and non carrying people.


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    #127
    Wright
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭Wright


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    The cameraman was in the wrong place. He made the decision to place himself in danger so I have no sympathy.

    Well this comment shows a spectacular ignorance towards what good journalism is. Journalists willing to put themselves at risk to get the story out there and to provide comprehensive coverage are almost always universally praised. How safe you are, anonymously typing behind a keyboard in your nice warm house. And is there a gard in the house, if you're not one yourself? I'd bloody bet there is! How about, the gard just doesn't assault anyone next time? Then no one will be 'in the wrong place'. Talk about victim blaming!!
    ezra_pound wrote: »
    Oh please!

    He wasn't prevented from reporting. He was getting in the way of the gardai.

    Do you assault people who are in your way? That's a little weird and frightening. Usually I'll just roll my eyes, or if they're really taking the mick, maybe give a little tut.


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    #128
    jimgoose
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    Collie D wrote: »
    Hmm, can't say I condone that. Still better than the bile spouted on the Pegida Ireland Twatter feed

    I'll say one thing about Ireland - the Left and the Right are both fascist, Ted! :D


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    #129
    mynamejeff
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    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Everyone has the right to protest though, even racists. Its called democracy. So the republican left or whatever they call themselves are not in any position to be threatening people.


    Once again NO NO you dont have the right to protest in Ireland .

    you have the right peaceful assembly

    neither of the sides in this dispute were excising the right to peaceful assembly and were dealt with by the gardai.

    camera man though he was too important to be told to get out of the way
    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government_in_ireland/irish_constitution_1/constitution_fundamental_rights.html


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    #130
    ezra_pound
    Registered Users Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭ezra_pound


    Wright wrote: »
    Well this comment shows a spectacular ignorance towards what good journalism is. Journalists willing to put themselves at risk to get the story out there and to provide comprehensive coverage are almost always universally praised. How safe you are, anonymously typing behind a keyboard in your nice warm house. And is there a gard in the house, if you're not one yourself? I'd bloody bet there is! How about, the gard just doesn't assault anyone next time? Then no one will be 'in the wrong place'. Talk about victim blaming!!

    Can he not move back 5 metres?

    Come on!


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    #131
    JRant
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    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    Is it amazing, is it really?

    At least the Gardai are fair, hitting both camera carrying and non carrying people.

    Well if he was being consistent then he should have walloped the woman about a foot away from him with her iphone in his face.

    Fair me bollïx, he took a bit of a cheap shot.

    All in all, from reading the reports it seems the guards did a decent job today in testing circumstances.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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    #132
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    Once again NO NO you dont have the right to protest in Ireland .

    you have the right peaceful assembly

    neither of the sides in this dispute were excising the right to peaceful assembly and were dealt with by the gardai.

    camera man though he was too important to be told to get out of the way
    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government_in_ireland/irish_constitution_1/constitution_fundamental_rights.html

    I was more talking about the Republican left threatening the right wingers in the facebook post, sorry if that was not clear.


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    #133
    Muahahaha
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    That Garda wielding his baton was way out of step with the rest of his line who behaved professionally and in control. I calculate the line at 12 Gardai. One Garda acted up, the other 11 did their job.

    Regards hitting a camera man, it is completely unacceptable. The Garda done it because he had a rush of blood to the head. The same thing happened with a member of the Met in London who struck Ian Tomlinson with a baton and killed him. That report found that police need to ask questions before they use their baton instead of just going in like a raging bull.


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    #134
    STB.
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    my friend wrote: »
    Hey dim witted RTE camera boy

    As you read this I'm laughing at your squealing

    'You can't hit cameras' 'camera' 'you can't hit cameras'

    Well today was a lesson in law and order for you

    Camera people can be hit, legally

    Next time a Garda or Gardai repeatedly instruct you, try complying with their direction

    Now go change your ice pack, fool.

    Are you having a nice chat with yourself there pal.

    I don't know if its a lack of an education or just some combination of conformist view / plain ignorance on your part, but the guard in question may say he was maintaining the line here, but unfortunately for him, he seems to have crossed it.

    Unfortunately it wasn't a Youtube protestor cameramen that was struck out at but an actual press cameraman with RTE, reporting news.

    RTE have quite rightly made a formal complaint to the Garda Ombudsman about the assault of one of their on duty staff.

    The Garda Press office wont be offering you a job there anytime soon.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/Cajf_GcWAAA6uxz.mp4


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    #135
    NomadicGray
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    The governments left hand at odds with the governments right hand, beautiful


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    #136
    JustTheOne
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    STB. wrote: »
    Are you having a nice chat with yourself there pal.

    I don't know if its a lack of an education or just some combination of conformist view / plain ignorance on your part, but the guard in question may say he was maintaining the line here, but unfortunately for him, he seems to have crossed it.

    Unfortunately it wasn't a Youtube protestor cameramen that was struck out at but an actual press cameraman with RTE, reporting news.

    RTE have quite rightly made a formal complaint to the Garda Ombudsman about the assault of one of their on duty staff.

    The Garda Press office wont be offering you a job there anytime soon.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/Cajf_GcWAAA6uxz.mp4

    Did you see what happened before that?


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    #137
    Arghus
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    Cheap shot there by the Guard. The camera man was the easiest target, so he went for him.

    What exactly was he so hepped up about? That he might get taped to death?

    Amazing that some people are saying the cameraman was asking for it... Really? That's a fairly idiotic thing to believe. So it's a bad thing that there was a member of the media there is that what you're saying? When they know there's no prying eyes, those who use force aren't too shy about dishing it out.


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    #138
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    STB. wrote: »
    Are you having a nice chat with yourself there pal.

    I don't know if its a lack of an education or just some combination of conformist view / plain ignorance on your part, but the guard in question may say he was maintaining the line here, but unfortunately for him, he seems to have crossed it.

    Unfortunately it wasn't a Youtube protestor cameramen that was struck out at but an actual press cameraman with RTE, reporting news.

    RTE have quite rightly made a formal complaint to the Garda Ombudsman about the assault of one of their on duty staff.

    The Garda Press office wont be offering you a job there anytime soon.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/Cajf_GcWAAA6uxz.mp4

    Now from that angle, it looks much worse, it doesn't look like the camera man is refusing to move back, the Garda is moving towards him and hitting him.


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    #139
    Wright
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭Wright


    ezra_pound wrote: »
    Can he not move back 5 metres?

    Come on!

    The cameraman was where he felt he needed to be to get the shot, to record, to journal, that is his job. This is not a society where it is acceptable for you to get a nightstick or a heavy duty DSLR (or even bigger) camera in the face because you were a few metres in the 'wrong' direction.


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    #140
    Collie D
    Registered Users Posts: 11,308 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    JustTheOne wrote: »
    Did you see what happened before that?

    Tell us. I doubt it was anything the cameraman did to deserve an assault but I might change my mind if you tell me.


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    #141
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Try it in Germany, or any other European state. When a guard orders you to leave you leave. These guys have a very difficult job to do.

    You're very quick to jump to the defence of state violence. The very same poster who always portrays himself to be so adamantly against violence of any kind. I smell a big old steaming pile of hypocrisy.

    You ought to be careful, this kind of attitude will get you chucked out of the 'libertarian' circle.


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    #142
    mynamejeff
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    Wright wrote: »
    The cameraman was where he felt he needed to be to get the shot, to record, to journal, that is his job. This is not a society where it is acceptable for you to get a nightstick or a heavy duty DSLR (or even bigger) camera in the face because you were a few metres in the 'wrong' direction.

    it seems its a society where camera men know more about policing than the police though .......


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    #143
    my friend
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭my friend


    STB. wrote: »
    Are you having a nice chat with yourself there pal.

    I don't know if its a lack of an education or just some combination of conformist view / plain ignorance on your part, but the guard in question may say he was maintaining the line here, but unfortunately for him, he seems to have crossed it.

    Unfortunately it wasn't a Youtube protestor cameramen that was struck out at but an actual press cameraman with RTE, reporting news.

    RTE have quite rightly made a formal complaint to the Garda Ombudsman about the assault of one of their on duty staff.

    The Garda Press office wont be offering you a job there anytime soon.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/Cajf_GcWAAA6uxz.mp4

    It won't be an issue

    Camera 'men ' ARE NOT exempt from having to comply with instructions from Gardai


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    #144
    kingchess
    Registered Users Posts: 795 ✭✭✭kingchess


    I have no bother with the Gardai using the baton on trouble making scum bags,I would have a problem with them hitting a RTE camera man if he was clearly identified as such,we rely on the media to observe and to be independent and impartial , to show us how the people we entrust with enforcing the law behave,


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    #145
    STB.
    Registered Users Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Now from that angle, it looks much worse, it doesn't look like the camera man is refusing to move back, the Garda is moving towards him and hitting him.

    Indeed. The Guards need to be taught to identify the press, so they dont get caught out like this !

    The clue is that they are possibly the only guys with the Sony PX Broadcast cameras.
    my friend wrote: »
    It won't be an issue

    Camera 'men ' ARE NOT exempt from having to comply with instructions from Gardai

    There's that world again comply.

    It will be an issue.


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    #146
    my friend
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭my friend


    STB. wrote: »
    Indeed. The Guards need to be taught to identify the press, so they dont get caught out like this !

    The clue is that they are possibly the only guys with the Sony PX Broadcast cameras.

    Not necessary, it's the greenhorn camera 'men' whom need a briefing on the law and the public order act

    The law applies to idiot camera 'men' too

    camera boy learned a lesson today


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    #147
    suicide_circus
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    Ye ****ing space aged bastard, ye


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    #148
    JRant
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    my friend wrote: »
    It won't be an issue

    Camera 'men ' ARE NOT exempt from having to comply with instructions from Gardai

    Check out the video just posted. He was clearly backing away, as instructed, and still gets flaked.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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    #149
    Liamario
    Registered Users Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭Liamario


    Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »
    The video as always is only showing one side of the clash. The crowd are as rough as a badgers arse with one lad goading the gardai.

    If I was in a crowd like that and got a wallop I would have it coming to me.



    Fair enough, he gives the camera a fair whack which he probably shouldn't, but the crowd are being absolute gowls.
    'Get off our street, gardai scum'.
    Ya, seems like a wise idea for a society.

    Few of those lads deserve to have the chops slapped off them. Peaceful protest me hole.

    Chanting '...nazi scum' actually.


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    #150
    Collie D
    Registered Users Posts: 11,308 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    my friend wrote: »
    Not necessary, it's the greenhorn camera 'men' whom need a briefing on the law and the public order act

    The law applies to idiot camera 'men' too

    camera boy learned a lesson today

    I genuinely hope you're not in any position of authority.


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    #151
    JRant
    Registered Users Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    my friend wrote: »
    Not necessary, it's the greenhorn camera 'men' whom need a briefing on the law and the public order act

    The law applies to idiot camera 'men' too

    camera boy learned a lesson today

    Ah my friend, how do you know he's a greenhorn, 'men' (whatever that's about) or a boy?

    You do realise that the law applies to gardai as well?

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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