sdanseo wrote: » Side note - the last person the Garda strikes - where he charges forward out of the line completely - seems to have been provoked off camera and the impact also occurs off camera. Hard to say whether or not something is justified when you can't see half of it.
Iwasfrozen wrote: » Oh I read what you were saying, that guards who have a very tough job keeping violent republicans in line should tie one hand behind their back and let them shut down a protest.
Iwasfrozen wrote: » The man was given a legitimate order to step back, an order the guards have a right to impose. The man ignored the order multiple times and the guard in question used physical force to impose compliance, that's the bottom line. No laws were broken had the cameraman did what he was told there wouldn't be a problem. Some people never learn to respect authority and end up suffering their whole lives for it.
Luke92 wrote: » Cameraman was atleast 5 feet away back turned and walking away from the line (following the guards directions). At the end of the day he is a cameraman. For a national channel. He isn't a protestor and he is not disturbing the peace in any way. He does not provoke the guard at any time. Yet he was hit twice by the same guard. Your argument really is invalid.
sdanseo wrote: » I'm no constitutional lawyer, but I'd say one mob chasing another mob down North Earl Street is slightly outside the meaning of "peaceful assembly", wouldn't you?
sdanseo wrote: » The cameraman is seen in that video to be making an absolute nuisance of himself, getting right into the scuffle and refusing to move back despite the shouting of Gardaí lawfully ordering him to. Again - if you put yourself in that scenario, you deserve a whack of the baton. No two ways about that in my opinion.
STB. wrote: » He was there in shot for about 30 seconds. I can see how someone who did not want press there would see him as a nuisance as he is capturing it all on camera. Again, if I did put myself in that scenario of being an RTE press cameraman, doing my everyday job, reporting news I would expect to be able to do that without harassment. I would hope that the police realise that I am not part of this protest and that the large broadcast camera and press badge gives that away. I would expect to be treated with respect, having moved back. Having retreated, I would not expect to be run at and attacked by a policeman who is 10ft away from me and to whom I am causing no harm. I would expect that the police realise that I have limited mobility due to having a heavy camera on my shoulder. Finally, I would expect that the police respect the freedom of the press. I suggest you go back and look over the extensive video footage before you keep quoting obeyance of the law/police direction. Its a very narrow minded and conformist view you are taking that the police can do what they wish.
STB. wrote: » He was there in shot for about 30 seconds. I can see someone who did not want press there would see him as a nuisance as he is capturing it all on camera. Again, if I did put myself in that scenario of being an RTE press cameraman, doing my everyday job, reporting news I would expect to be able to do that without harassment. I would hope that the police realise that I am not part of this protest and that the large broadcast camera and press badge gives that away. I would expect to be treated with respect, having moved back. Having retreated, I would not expect to be run at and attacked by a policeman who is 10ft away from me and to who I am causing no harm. I would expect that the police realise that I have limited mobility due to having a heavy camera on my shoulder. Finally, I would expect that the police respect the freedom of the press. I suggest you go back and look over the extensive video footage before you keep quoting obeyance of the law/police direction. Its a very narrow minded and conformist view you are taking that the police can do what they wish.
sdanseo wrote: » Conformist? Oh, sorry. My apologies for having the courtesy not to behave like a twat in public. The cameraman is clearly seen getting in the way and obstructing Gardaí a few seconds before he's whacked, close to the middle of the street. He made an arse of himself and got stung. Boo hoo. There's ways to protest peacefully and there's ways to behave like a lout. I'm all for the grey area (not as narrow minded as you think) but for me short of an armed rebellion either I'll protest peacefully or at the ballot box, not by making a tit of myself in front of a line of riot cops.
my friend wrote: » I suggest you remove your red tinted glasses and view the video shown on RTE news Saturday night, when the anti pegida red socialist nazis chase those they assumed were pegida into the €2 euro shop they then proceed to shout and push (enforce) their 'no cameras' rule Cameraman was bundled out of the shop by the socialist nazis - this is an incontestable fact. Watch the news bulletin. Whiney lefty nazi red socialists then proceeded to assault members of the public within that store but conveniently they banished camera 'man' and other cameras - roaring that this be actioned The general public are now very wise to the fascist tactics employed by the Irish hard left today 'No cameras' when lefties commit crimes - 'all cameras out' when goading and disobeying Gardai Also give up on your oppression of the press malarkey it holds no water, the only crimes where the press were excluded from today were the crime scenes as such that I described above
Gowlasauras Rex wrote: » The video as always is only showing one side of the clash. The crowd are as rough as a badgers arse with one lad goading the gardai. If I was in a crowd like that and got a wallop I would have it coming to me. Fair enough, he gives the camera a fair whack which he probably shouldn't, but the crowd are being absolute gowls. 'Get off our street, gardai scum'. Ya, seems like a wise idea for a society. Few of those lads deserve to have the chops slapped off them. Peaceful protest me hole.
STB. wrote: » You seem to be confusing that someone doing their job as a member of the press and the protestors themselves are the one and the same! Seriously ? The press have every right to be able to do their job without harassment or police abuse. Give that this particular cameraman had stepped back, he should not have been attacked by this one particular policeman in question. You may regard that as acting the twat, being a tit or that he made an arse of himself doing his job. Unfortunately for the guards he wasn't a protestor, he was a reporter for the national broadcaster. If you still haven't seen that from the 4 videos, then you need your eyes tested.
kneemos wrote: » He was in the front of an angry mob with no ID that I could see. His camera was hit and he still moved forward and got another smack on the front of his right leg. Guards had a line to keep,get the **** out of the way.
TheLastMohican wrote: » Are the gardai not supposed to use their heads? Or has the cavity been drained in Templemore?
kneemos wrote: » He was in the front of an angry mob with no ID that I could see. His camera was hit and he still moved forward and got another smack on the front of his right leg.Guards had a line to keep,get the **** out of the way.
STB. wrote: » Which line is that ? Tell you what lets draws a line under the whole issue. This is the line the guard broke as he stepped forward and assaulted the RTE cameraman, from what I can see.
kneemos wrote: » Shouldn't be at the front of an angry mob then.
RDM_83 again wrote: » The sad thing is nearly every time you read about facists and anti-facist protesters, its the Anti-Fa ones that always seem to be the ones that are actually involved in violence. Strange because using violence to achieve ones political aims is normally associated with what ideology (spot quiz )
kneemos wrote: » He had a professional looking camera in fairness,but so could anyone.
kneemos wrote: » You'd want to watch that oul video again chap.
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