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RTE cameraman attacked by Gardai

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  • #242
    timthumbni
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    What was the crack with the "you free state bastards" shouted from the protesters? Was this a Sinn Fein thing? Was waiting to hear west Brit being thrown in there just for the craic.


  • #243
    seanin4711
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,532 ✭✭✭seanin4711


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    The cameraman was in the wrong place. He made the decision to place himself in danger so I have no sympathy.

    you amaze me!
    the camera man needs to record how this manic operates.
    I have a lot of sympathy for him.
    Cops hate to have their misdeeds recorded.


  • #244
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,295 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    timthumbni wrote: »
    What was the crack with the "you free state bastards" shouted from the protesters? Was this a Sinn Fein thing? Was waiting to hear west Brit being thrown in there just for the craic.

    Amazing the Shinners are not to blame for every protest that goes wrong.

    As posted by others on 2 pages ago, it's some crackpot group calling themselves Irish Republican Left Action against Facism

    https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=913561958751080&id=912549568852319

    A right bunch of knuckle dragging, mouth breathing yahoos.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #245
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    JRant wrote: »
    Amazing the Shinners are not to blame for every protest that goes wrong.

    As posted by others on 2 pages ago, it's some crackpot group calling themselves Irish Republican Left Action against Facism

    https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=913561958751080&id=912549568852319

    A right bunch of knuckle dragging, mouth breathing yahoos.

    That reads like something from Germany in the 30s


  • #246
    JRant
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    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    That reads like something from Germany in the 30s

    They seem like a lovely bunch altogether.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • #247
    Ray Palmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Forgetting about the camera man for a minute. At 17secs on the Irish Times footage a garda starts smacking people from behind as the are walking away. He isn't saying a word. Completely uncalled for, not sure if it is the same one that hits the cameraman but that guy needs to be fired.


  • #248
    kingchess
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭kingchess


    if a garda lawfully tells you to move,then you have to move,if you square up to the garda and threaten the garda you deserve a tap of the baton ,I have no problem with that,but if you hit some one walking away you or I would be charged with assault so why should a guard be above the law??


  • #249
    Clandestine
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z68yTJWXm5g&feature=youtu.be

    Watch this and tell me who the fascists really are


  • #250
    [Deleted User]
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    Wolf Club wrote: »
    Utter nonsence, there's a huge difference between an organised sporting event and the chaotic aftermath of a protest. The cameraman would have been briefed to get a close up shot of what's going on. Why else would he have been in there?

    He should have been off to the side recording (which would have given a better view also) or behind the Gardai. Being at the front of the push of rioters is an idiotic place to be and he can have little complaint imo about getting hit.

    Would it be fair game for a camera man to be on the front line in a war right in between the soilders and expect not to get shot or blown up... No it wouldn't.


  • #251
    pgj2015
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    fair play to the Guards, they did a great job, bloddy hippies causing trouble as usual.


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  • #252
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    It really is silly behaviour. When opposing a racist group, why act like thugs?


  • #253
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭gctest50


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    It really is silly behaviour. When opposing a racist group, why act like thugs?

    cos there isn't much more money to be made from shell-to-sea


  • #254
    my friend
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    seanin4711 wrote: »
    you amaze me!
    the camera man needs to record how this manic operates.
    I have a lot of sympathy for him.
    Cops hate to have their misdeeds recorded.

    Ha!

    Watch the €2 euro shop fracas video

    The only ones that banished and obstructed cameras yesterday were the Red Socialist hard left Nazis

    The Red Socialist Nazis are seen ordering cameras out and physically restraining the commercial camera men and photographers

    Roaring 'no cameras and cameras out' so the physical assaults they were committing could not be recorded

    Now we know who the true fascist Nazis among us are, just as in Germany in the 1930s, it's the socialists


  • #255
    Collie D
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,585 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    my friend wrote: »
    Ha!

    Watch the €2 euro shop fracas video

    The only ones that banished and obstructed cameras yesterday were the Red Socialist hard left Nazis

    The Red Socialist Nazis are seen ordering cameras out and physically restraining the commercial camera men and photographers

    Roaring 'no cameras and cameras out' so the physical assaults they were committing could not be recorded

    Now we know who the true fascist Nazis among us are, just as in Germany in the 1930s, it's the socialists

    Are you saying the Nazi party were too leftwing?


  • #256
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    Clandestine wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z68yTJWXm5g&feature=youtu.be

    Watch this and tell me who the fascists really are

    I love the subtitles as the right wing lads are given a beating in the 2euro shop... "The Gardaí turn up to protect the PEGIDA supporters"


    Shouldn't that read "Gardaí turn up to intervene and prevent an assault on people who were expressing an alternative opinion"


    Socialism - It has a history of this kind of thing you know.


  • #257
    Jimlh86
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    It's amazing how many experts are on here. I assume they have years of experience dealing with rioting crowds?

    Asking nicely for some reason doesn't work!?

    The camera man got right up into the front of the mob facing the line of Gardai, he became a part of the problem at that point These rioting clowns see a camera and the play up to it putting Gardai at further risk!

    If you're standing in the way of the public order unit after being directed to leave the area you're going to get hit. Simple


  • #258
    Dyr
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    Jimlh86 wrote: »
    It's amazing how many experts are on here. I assume they have years of experience dealing with rioting crowds?

    Asking nicely for some reason doesn't work!?

    The camera man got right up into the front of the mob facing the line of Gardai, he became a part of the problem at that point These rioting clowns see a camera and the play up to it putting Gardai at further risk!

    If you're standing in the way of the public order unit after being directed to leave the area you're going to get hit. Simple

    Seems as how your the subject matter expert here Walter, who was ordered to leave the area? :confused:


  • #259
    Tigger
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    Jimlh86 wrote: »
    It's amazing how many experts are on here. I assume they have years of experience dealing with rioting crowds?

    Asking nicely for some reason doesn't work!?

    The camera man got right up into the front of the mob facing the line of Gardai, he became a part of the problem at that point These rioting clowns see a camera and the play up to it putting Gardai at further risk!

    If you're standing in the way of the public order unit after being directed to leave the area you're going to get hit. Simple

    Arrested, you're gonna get arrested, there was no call to hit the camera guy if he refused to obey an instruction he should have been arrested and charged under the public order act
    And the people walking away the same , the baton is for people who resist arrest which is not what was happening


  • #260
    freddiek
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    I know there wouldn't be too many MENSA members in the Gards but jaysus you'd think he'd be able to distinguish between a media cameraman and these 2 sets of screamers


  • #261
    Jimlh86
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    Bambi wrote: »
    Seems as how your the subject matter expert here Walter, who was ordered to leave the area? :confused:

    The crowd! They were ordered numerous times


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  • #262
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Copy-pasting this from a Reddit thread.
    The footage of the RTE News camera being struck with a baton by Gardai while clearly working outraged me, I was looking at the Irish Times video from the same march then and it seems to be the same Garda who hit their cameraman too...

    Here's a few angles of the RTE one (cameraman in the red coat in the third-person views)...

    FIRST PERSON VIEW

    http://imgur.com/JMxEGZa

    Taken from video embedded here - http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0206/765936-protest-pegida-dublin/

    SECOND ANGLE, THIRD PERSON VIEW, Cameraman left of screen in red

    https://giphy.com/gifs/SvjLAkC9DWrLO

    Taken from this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFv6ArDBEBY

    THIRD ANGLE, AGAIN THIRD PERSON VIEW

    http://giphy.com/gifs/12ItJbUr3YIf4c

    Taken from this video (2 minutes in...) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_REls3JkxzQ

    The Irish Times video journalist was also struck by what appears to be the same Garda. See - http://imgur.com/IIHghi2

    Taken from the end of this video, which seems to stop abruptly once the camera is hit. Wonder if the strike broke the camera;
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/scuffles-break-out-at-launch-of-anti-immigration-group-in-dublin-1.2525530

    It appears to me to be the same Garda. Does anyone have any other footage of him? Was he aiming for cameras continuously? Seems way over-agro...

    EDIT: Here are some stills from the striking Garda in both videos, who looks to me is the same person - http://imgur.com/a/Pd5AO

    Difference between two is that gloves and badge are on it one, but off in other. However, in the Irish Times video he is holding the gloves in his hand, either having just removed them or just readying them to be worn. Would he have had to remove the gloves to remove the badge?

    You can see that at some point the garda removed his id number badge. I wonder why /s

    Also at one point he actually reaches over other people to get a strike in at the Irish Times photographer. So much for just wanting to push back the crowd.


  • #263
    discus
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    Collie D wrote: »
    Are you saying the Nazi party were too leftwing?



    It's not a linear spectrum - it's almost like a horse show. Go far enough left or far enough right and they both start becoming similar.


  • #264
    Eugene Norman
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    Tigger wrote: »
    Arrested, you're gonna get arrested, there was no call to hit the camera guy if he refused to obey an instruction he should have been arrested and charged under the public order act
    And the people walking away the same , the baton is for people who resist arrest which is not what was happening

    No. The batons are used in these situations to control or move the crowd. As well as an arrest. The gardai were advancing, it's fairly standard for police to use batons to push a crowd. Including baton charges.


  • #265
    Dyr
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    Jimlh86 wrote: »
    The crowd! They were ordered numerous times

    No matey they were ordered to get back.


  • #266
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    freddiek wrote: »
    I know there wouldn't be too many MENSA members in the Gards but jaysus you'd think he'd be able to distinguish between a media cameraman and these 2 sets of screamers



    That doesn't matter, media or not they are not exempt from respecting the maintenance of public order.


  • #267
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    There's a lot of flag burners who have got too much freedom and I wanna make it legal for policemen to beat 'em...


  • #268
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Copy-pasting this from a Reddit thread.



    You can see that at some point the garda removed his id number badge. I wonder why /s

    Also at one point he actually reaches over other people to get a strike in at the Irish Times photographer. So much for just wanting to push back the crowd.

    The image in the middle? That video showed people clearly advancing towards that cop.


  • #269
    thattequilagirl
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    Shocked by how many people on here think this Garda's behaviors was acceptable. The cameraman wasn't looting, rioting, chanting. The fact that he was there at all didn't warrant violence. The Garda had a lot to take in and not very long to do so. I'm not going to demonise him, but he reacted on a wrong impulse.

    Journalists have an obligation to be as close to the Centre of this stuff as possible. If I was him, I'd be making a report.


  • #270
    discus
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    Bambi wrote: »
    No matey they were ordered to get back.
    Yet they didn't.


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  • #271
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    My name is URL wrote: »
    Copy-pasting this from a Reddit thread.



    You can see that at some point the garda removed his id number badge. I wonder why /s

    Also at one point he actually reaches over other people to get a strike in at the Irish Times photographer. So much for just wanting to push back the crowd.

    Why does the camera man in red not wear ID? Is it not usual to have tabard reading Press/TV/RTE?


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