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National Hurling League 2016

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,193 ✭✭✭✭Kerrydude1981


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    Westmeath should be promoted automatically.
    Roscommon and Armagh too.

    It's a no brainer.

    Agree 100%


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    Xenophile wrote: »
    Could Cork not be quiet, after all they are the biggest county in the Country, come back next year and win the competition.


    In fairness, JBM never said a word and just got on with it and they did come back. Was more their famous county board bureaucracy who took it as a slight!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    That particular scenario might never have happened to specifically Limerick in the first place if the Limerick players didn't quit the panel during the 2010 NHL campaign, which resulted in the team losing all seven matches and being relegated to Division 2 for 2011.... just sayin'.

    Wexford really got the rough end of the stick in 2011. They finished 7th out of 8 teams in Division 1, and so avoided relegation. But when the GAA restructured the format, they were relegated, and ended up in Division 1B for 2012.
    blue note wrote: »
    It was division 2 they won and then they restructured to 1A and 1B. And as the other poster has said, Wexford were equally screwed that day. They'd just drawn with tipp, and we all know how good tipp were in 2011, to secure safety. they'd beaten Cork that year too. A reasonable clare team was the only team Limerick beat that year, but for some reason now every year when neither Wexford nor Limerick earn promotion we hear about how Limerick were screwed over 5 years ago. Most Limerick fans will admit they deserve to be in 1B now. The rest are just kidding themselves.

    So because Wexford were equally screwed, this makes it rosy. Nice logic there lads. Can't beat good reasoning.

    I've no problem with Limerick in 1B or 2B for that matter. The league holds zero appeal. Now, the AI is a different matter, the rules there will remain consistent or the organisation will crumble from within.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,590 ✭✭✭blue note


    Rightwing wrote: »
    So because Wexford were equally screwed, this makes it rosy. Nice logic there lads. Can't beat good reasoning.

    I've no problem with Limerick in 1B or 2B for that matter. The league holds zero appeal. Now, the AI is a different matter, the rules there will remain consistent or the organisation will crumble from within.

    Both teams were shafted by the rule change. My point is that Wexford aren't still crying about it. Some people in Limerick are.

    And it's a shame from you that your principles are stopping you from going to league games. Since the league has moved to it's current format it's been a great competition. If I was cynical I'd say that you're just not interested in following your team when they're struggling in division 2, but I can tell with you it's principles, not sunshine support.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    blue note wrote: »
    Both teams were shafted by the rule change. My point is that Wexford aren't still crying about it. Some people in Limerick are.

    And it's a shame from you that your principles are stopping you from going to league games. Since the league has moved to it's current format it's been a great competition. If I was cynical I'd say that you're just not interested in following your team when they're struggling in division 2, but I can tell with you it's principles, not sunshine support.

    It is principle, I'll certainly credit you with that one, but also I don't think the league is a serious competition, when you hear talk of 'this year we're taking the league serious', 'the serious stuff starts in May'.

    I'm not complaining about that incident, it's more to highlight how irrelevant the league really is, that an organisation can change the rules after the competition is over and most see it as fine. I struggle to see how any other sporting body could even contemplate doing that.

    Even this year, how can teams like Galway and Kerry take the whole thing serious? It's a laughable competition.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,902 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    Rightwing wrote: »
    Now, the AI is a different matter, the rules there will remain consistent or the organisation will crumble from within.

    Huh? They've shuffled and changed the championship constantly in the last couple of decades, it's unrecognisable from the pre back door days. What would have to happen for the gaa to somehow "crumble from within"? Because consistent rules around the championship haven't existed for about twenty years at this stage.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    Huh? They've shuffled and changed the championship constantly in the last couple of decades, it's unrecognisable from the pre back door days. What would have to happen for the gaa to somehow "crumble from within"? Because consistent rules around the championship haven't existed for about twenty years at this stage.

    I think you've missed the key point here.

    They changed the rules after the event. Take soccer, if a team win promotion to the premier league, and then they say, 'we're changing the rules now lads.. no promotion this year'. Only in the GAA could such a shambles occur.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    Rightwing wrote: »
    I think you've missed the key point here.

    They changed the rules after the event. Take soccer, if a team win promotion to the premier league, and then they say, 'we're changing the rules now lads.. no promotion this year'. Only in the GAA could such a shambles occur.

    Ahem.
    Liverpool and the Champions League qualification


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,590 ✭✭✭blue note


    Rightwing wrote: »
    I think you've missed the key point here.

    They changed the rules after the event. Take soccer, if a team win promotion to the premier league, and then they say, 'we're changing the rules now lads.. no promotion this year'. Only in the GAA could such a shambles occur.

    Except the Ireland soccer team and world cup qualification?

    It was 5 or 6 years ago though. It doesn't matter any more.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    blue note wrote: »
    Except the Ireland soccer team and world cup qualification?

    It was 5 or 6 years ago though. It doesn't matter any more.

    what happened there ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭Kavrocks


    Rightwing wrote: »
    I think you've missed the key point here.
    I think you just want to rant and moan now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,590 ✭✭✭blue note


    Rightwing wrote: »
    what happened there ?

    They decided to seed the playoff qualification because it looked like several of the bigger teams might not qualify.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    blue note wrote: »
    They decided to seed the playoff qualification because it looked like several of the bigger teams might not qualify.

    Indeed, I remember now, ....TV money. Was that for the euros or WCup?

    I agree that was a disgrace,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,902 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    Rightwing wrote: »
    I think you've missed the key point here.

    They changed the rules after the event. Take soccer, if a team win promotion to the premier league, and then they say, 'we're changing the rules now lads.. no promotion this year'. Only in the GAA could such a shambles occur.

    I agree that changing the league structure after the fact like that was a disgrace, a year notice period should be needed before changes are made. But that isn't the same as saying the structures have to be consistent. Regarding the championship, what teams could potentially be excluded from the top tier competition, such that changing the rules would cause the association to "crumble from within"? (My point being that as things stand it is if anything too inclusive, no major hurling county would ever likely be excluded from it. And when it comes down to it, those countries never give a rambling damn about the weaker counties. In fact, nobody gives a toss about any county except themselves which is why the league and championship are such a mess as it is, caving to various vested interests)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    I agree that changing the league structure after the fact like that was a disgrace, a year notice period should be needed before changes are made. But that isn't the same as saying the structures have to be consistent. Regarding the championship, what teams could potentially be excluded from the top tier competition, such that changing the rules would cause the association to "crumble from within"? (My point being that as things stand it is if anything too inclusive, no major hurling county would ever likely be excluded from it. And when it comes down to it, those countries never give a rambling damn about the weaker counties. In fact, nobody gives a toss about any county except themselves which is why the league and championship are such a mess as it is, caving to various vested interests)

    Consistent as in...let's say Tipp won the hurling AI via the back door in 2016, then the GAA turned around after the final and said, no team from the back door can with the AI in 2016. Their credibility would be shot. This is effectively what they did to the league, but it didn't really matter 'cos it was just the league'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,902 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    Rightwing wrote: »
    Consistent as in...let's say Tipp won the hurling AI via the back door in 2016, then the GAA turned around after the final and said, no team from the back door can with the AI in 2016. Their credibility would be shot. This is effectively what they did to the league, but it didn't really matter 'cos it was just the league'.

    They actually did the opposite with that stupid quarter final thing. You can win through the back door of 1b and still be in 1b the next year. It's a joke of a setup, the kind of "vested interest over best interests of the sport" that the association specialises in.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    They actually did the opposite with that stupid quarter final thing. You can win through the back door of 1b and still be in 1b the next year. It's a joke of a setup, the kind of "vested interest over best interests of the sport" that the association specialises in.

    Absolutely.

    Ideally the hurling league would have the top 8 teams in it and be played over the summer and the winner wins the GAA's main prize.

    Kilkenny v Offaly (after Kerry beating them) What an attractive qtr-final !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,882 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Rightwing wrote: »
    Absolutely.

    Ideally the hurling league would have the top 8 teams in it and be played over the summer and the winner wins the GAA's main prize.

    Kilkenny v Offaly (after Kerry beating them) What an attractive qtr-final !
    it was very close to being a Kilkenny vs Kerry QF. that would be a joke as Kerry are not at that standard yet but with this system Kerry could end up back in Division 2A (if laois had of just wasted time and got a draw against Wexford then Kerry would be in the QFs)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,708 ✭✭✭Speak Now


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    it was very close to being a Kilkenny vs Kerry QF. that would be a joke as Kerry are not at that standard yet but with this system Kerry could end up back in Division 2A (if laois had of just wasted time and got a draw against Wexford then Kerry would be in the QFs)

    It would have been Kerry v Waterford if Laois had held out.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    it was very close to being a Kilkenny vs Kerry QF. that would be a joke as Kerry are not at that standard yet but with this system Kerry could end up back in Division 2A (if laois had of just wasted time and got a draw against Wexford then Kerry would be in the QFs)

    I'd fancy Laois to beat kerry, but then kerry would go into another playoff to meet the winners of the division below, pathetic. Seems like they just want to give teams extra games before the championship to try out players etc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,457 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Speak Now wrote: »
    It would have been Kerry v Waterford if Laois had held out.

    And PTH2009 would be predicting a Kerry win!! :D:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    And PTH2009 would be predicting a Kerry win!! :D:D

    Sure theyve 36 All irelands, we only have 2 what hope would we have :V


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,882 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    So we're down to the final 4 of division 1

    Waterford vs Limerick
    Clare vs Kilkenny

    Waterford struggled vs Wexford in the qfs and if Wexford had not had so many wides then it wud of them getting into the semis. Waterford will not be as bad again and will fight to keep the title. Limerick coming off a fantastic win vs there bogey team Dublin and with the victouris nap lads back they will fancy there chances in the semi. I think Limerick will edge it and will want it more than Waterford. If Limerick were not missing the nap players they would of won division 1b.

    With Clare missing so many players through injury it will be hard to see them beat an inform kilkenny team but they will give it everything. Kilkenny to win I think

    Limerick vs Kilkenny final for me with Limerick winning


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    Sure theyve 36 All irelands, we only have 2 what hope would we have :V

    And Kerry beat Waterford in their last championship meeting ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,882 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    feargale wrote: »
    And Kerry beat Waterford in their last championship meeting ;)

    Wrong

    Waterford beat Kerry in the 2003 Munster qf played in Walsh Park.

    Kerry beat us in 1993


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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,193 ✭✭✭✭Kerrydude1981


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Wrong

    Waterford beat Kerry in the 2003 Munster qf played in Walsh Park.

    Kerry beat us in 1993

    Ye won well in 03

    We gave Limerick a good game of it that year in the qualifiers,Shane Brick scored a screamer of a goal that evening in Tralee


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    So we're down to the final 4 of division 1

    Waterford vs Limerick
    Clare vs Kilkenny

    Waterford struggled vs Wexford in the qfs and if Wexford had not had so many wides then it wud of them getting into the semis. Waterford will not be as bad again and will fight to keep the title. Limerick coming off a fantastic win vs there bogey team Dublin and with the victouris nap lads back they will fancy there chances in the semi. I think Limerick will edge it and will want it more than Waterford. If Limerick were not missing the nap players they would of won division 1b.

    With Clare missing so many players through injury it will be hard to see them beat an inform kilkenny team but they will give it everything. Kilkenny to win I think

    Limerick vs Kilkenny final for me with Limerick winning

    I could certainly see LK beat WD, but no way KK.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    feargale wrote: »
    And Kerry beat Waterford in their last championship meeting ;)

    On the +30 handicap maybe


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,882 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Will Davy have someone from his backroom team with a magic notepad out watching the first semi final to get tactical information on Waterford for the championship ???

    heard Davy and Donal Og were at the Tipp vs Waterford league game in thurles last month armed with notepads


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Will Davy have someone from his backroom team with a magic notepad out watching the first semi final to get tactical information on Waterford for the championship ???

    heard Davy and Donal Og were at the Tipp vs Waterford league game in thurles last month armed with notepads

    :0 Ingenious! I knew the two of them would be a cut above all else before based on what I read in the evening echo, but christ such a novel approach to management has left even me spellbound.

    And normally I'm cynical about these kinds of things...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,457 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    90 minutes last week... No goals.

    17 seconds today... A goal!

    You gotta love hurling! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Jesus waterford need a free taker

    Clare getting away with dragging all over the place


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,150 ✭✭✭✭LuckyGent88


    3 points down at ht. take that after gifting them two goals.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,457 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Much better first half compared to last week anyway! (Although that wouldn't be too hard)

    Very enjoyable for the neutral so far.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,150 ✭✭✭✭LuckyGent88


    Just how was that a Waterford free when Cunningham gets hit in the face.

    He also released the ball so that couldn't have been called a free either.


  • Registered Users Posts: 293 ✭✭markjbloggs


    this TG4 jingle thing that they play before and after every replay is wrecking my head.

    TG4, stop it please - big turn off.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    Austin Gleason should get an Oscar for the diving he has done today....

    The 16 men of Waterford will be too good today I think


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,960 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Austin Gleason should get an Oscar for the diving he has done today....

    The 16 men of Waterford will be too good today I think

    He's spitting blood after that high tackle.

    Some "diving" alright :rolleyes:


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,439 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    Think the referee wanted a draw with that equalising free. Didn't get it though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭pappyodaniel


    Well that was nuts! What a finish!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,150 ✭✭✭✭LuckyGent88


    Holy sweet mother of god :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,806 ✭✭✭corny


    Great finish. Never a free on the equalising point but both sides had incidents go against them over the 70.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Wow! 2 points for the Banner in about 30 seconds?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You see that's exactly why refs cant give soft frees to engineer a draw(and hope its settled by more over a longer period) when there's enough time for that team to then score a winner.

    Feel for Waterford, pathetic decision for that equalising free.

    The ref gave 4/5 really bad frees today, I cant recall the balance of them but he gave some really soft scores with those decisions.


  • Registered Users Posts: 869 ✭✭✭carq


    Daylight robbery.

    The referee was a disgrace


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,150 ✭✭✭✭LuckyGent88


    God I feel sorry for Gleeson. He was outrageously good today


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,055 ✭✭✭blackcard


    Looking forward to the Championship meeting after that, made up for last week


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,476 ✭✭✭✭Mushy


    Some ending there.

    Don't think Waterford can feel hard done by, was a huge throw for the pass for the second goal.


  • Registered Users Posts: 243 ✭✭Easca Peasca


    Great stuff from the Bannermen. You'd feel for Waterford but there's no prize for being ahead on the 68th.

    Poor reffing from start to finish.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭pappyodaniel


    I think you mean
    carq wrote: »
    Daylight robbery.

    The referee Davy Fitz was a disgrace


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