Alien: Covenant Spoilers from post 747

marco_polo · 28-03-2014 2:49am

Duggy747 wrote: »

It still had one of my favourite trailers:

This IMAX one had some snazzy editing:

Like Krudler said, including the Prometheus crashing into the ship into the marketing was a stupid decision for such a pivotal moment. You knew full well what was going to happen before the pilots themselves knew.

Which was funny considering how much people loved how little the initial teasers and trailers showed with them dissecting the shìt out of them and coming up with all sorts of theories :pac:

Love the first trailer

, enjoyed the film in the cinema but ater getting it on Bluray didn't get past about 15 minutes as all I could think of were all the silly bits yet to come that I was able to let slide while watching in (fake) IMAX because the film looked so good.

bullvine · 28-03-2014 10:35am

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Yes and no.

The crew in Alien make some of the most famous stupid decisions ever - Split up and look for the cat!

But they are just space truckers, not military and not scientists. The one scientist on board is actively helping the alien, and Ripley and Dallas do their best.

In Aliens, Gorman is useless and Burke is a sleazeball traitor, but the others do their best, too.

There is nothing in either like the entire crew being hand-picked scientists who promptly lose their minds when the titles roll.

Such an accurate description, for such an expensive mission, the crew of Prometheus were really clueless..

SouthTippBass · 25-09-2015 6:51pm

So it looks like the next Alien film has its title, and its not Prometheus 2. I confess I don't know the paradise lost poem Mr Scott mentions, to wikipedia!

Hunchback · 25-09-2015 6:53pm

And there may be a further trilogy with this film being the first of the trilogy and the final instalment of the trilogy leaving off chronologically just before where the first Alien film started

PirateShampoo · 25-09-2015 9:54pm

So we are going to get two new Alien films by two different Directors.

25-09-2015 10:32pm

Is this going to done by Neil Bloomkamp?

evosteo · 25-09-2015 10:35pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Is this going to done by Neil Bloomkamp?

Bloomkamps film will be based after aliens ( alien 2) and is apparently going to ignore alien 3

Getting a bit of a star wars feel off this whole thing

jacksie66 · 25-09-2015 10:35pm

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Goldstein · 25-09-2015 10:45pm

Hope this doesn't mean we won't be getting Blomkamp's Alien 5. To hell with Prometheus 2 or whatever he wants to call it.

Corholio · 26-09-2015 12:59am

Both Alien films are being made, Scott directing Paradise Lost and Blomkamp the other with Scott producing both.

Paradise Lost will be released before Blomkamp's film.

Scott:

"But how does this fit in with Alien 5? Neill Blomkamp fans shouldn't fret, as his directing of Alien 5 is still planned. Says Scott: "I'm producing it. The design is for it to go out next, after [Alien: Paradise Lost]. This will go out first. It’s more associated with Ripley, it’s a completely different angle, it’s more of a sequel. I’m coming in from the back end."

26-09-2015 9:51am

I wonder if there's anything telling about the fact he's not calling it Prometheus 2? Is it trying to distance himself from the previous movie?

emo72 · 26-09-2015 9:56am

This is all messed up. What's going to happen to all to he questions I needed answered after Prometheus? Prequels sequels and reboots. My mind is melting.

26-09-2015 9:57am

Prometheus was one of the biggest letdowns I've ever seen. Scott shouldn't be let near his legacy at this stage.

emo72 · 26-09-2015 9:59am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Prometheus was one of the biggest letdowns I've ever seen. Scott shouldn't be let near his legacy at this stage.

True, next up for ruination? blade runner.

26-09-2015 10:02am

you've spelled urination wrong

Oafley Jones · 26-09-2015 1:41pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Prometheus was one of the biggest letdowns I've ever seen. Scott shouldn't be let near his legacy at this stage.

I've the fear for The Martian. Word of mouth is good but I've little faith in Scott's ability to tell a coherent story. Hopefully the fact that it's an adaptation will save it.

On topic: You've got to pity the screenwriter for this. The further adventures of Rapace and fassbenders head is a hell of a jumping off point.

cowboyBuilder · 26-09-2015 8:42pm

So wait, we have another THREE Films to see before it leads up to Alien ??

Talk about milking it, I thought it was supposed to be a trilogy including Prometheus so 2 left ..

So it's 4 now ... okkkaaay..

Mickeroo · 26-09-2015 11:30pm

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

So wait, we have another THREE Films to see before it leads up to Alien ??

Talk about milking it, I thought it was supposed to be a trilogy including Prometheus so 2 left ..

So it's 4 now ... okkkaaay..

Sure Promtheus was originally written to be set on LV-426 and involved no super vaginas, space cobras or canisters of magic goo, just eggs, facehuggers and xenomorphs

cowboyBuilder · 27-09-2015 12:28am

Mickeroo wrote: »

Sure Promtheus was originally written to be set on LV-426 and involved no super vaginas, space cobras or canisters of magic goo, just eggs, facehuggers and xenomorphs

So who f*cked it all up ?

Lindehof ?

Sad Professor · 27-09-2015 8:08am

Scott and Rothman were behind distancing Prometheus from the rest of the franchise. Making it a trilogy was also their idea. Lindelof came in after. They told him what they wanted and he did it.

PTB · 28-09-2015 8:09am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Prometheus was one of the biggest letdowns I've ever seen. Scott shouldn't be let near his legacy at this stage.

I actually enjoyed Prometheus but kinda agree with you, I also think Scott is now aware of what fans think of his recent decisions and is trying to fix it he has said that paradise lost & the other sequel's will answer all the question's about the engineer's & how the eggs got there in alien etc. I think by him changing the name too alien paradise lost & putting bloomkamp on hold are signs of this. But yeah if paradise lost & blade runner 2 are bad someone should step in.

Chris_Heilong · 28-09-2015 10:56am

It make sense it is not called Prometheus as that was the name of the ship and some of the themes in the first movie, but I am not sure tagging on the Alien name is the smartest decision they could have made either but I will keep an open mind.

Myrddin · 28-09-2015 11:12am

I'm a tad confused, can anyone explain where this new trilogy fits into the overall franchise? Is it set AFTER Prometheus, but before Alien 1?

Mickeroo · 28-09-2015 11:55am

Myrddin wrote: »

I'm a tad confused, can anyone explain where this new trilogy fits into the overall franchise? Is it set AFTER Prometheus, but before Alien 1?

Yeah, I think it will be following Noomi Rapace's character and Fassbender's head's further adventures in space. Presumabley heading to the the space jockey home world.

Squelchy · 28-09-2015 3:23pm

emo72 wrote: »

What's going to happen to all to he questions I needed answered after Prometheus? .

I only had one question needed answering after Prometheus... WHY?!

Zubeneschamali · 28-09-2015 4:23pm

Squelchy wrote: »

I only had one question needed answering after Prometheus... WHY?!

Dollars!

SouthTippBass · 28-09-2015 5:08pm

Am I the only one that liked Prometheus? Some stupid (stupid) decisions were made, but overall I will still watch it again. Maybe its because I think it just looks amazing, those space and landscape shots, love it.

I never wanted an Alien movie from it like a lot of people did though.

PTB · 28-09-2015 7:04pm

SouthTippBass wrote: »

Am I the only one that liked Prometheus? Some stupid (stupid) decisions were made, but overall I will still watch it again. Maybe its because I think it just looks amazing, those space and landscape shots, love it.

I never wanted an Alien movie from it like a lot of people did though.

I really liked it, I think it's a great film but I understand why people weren't happy, it was billed as a origin's prequel that would explain how alien began but it didn't it started to but then finished leaving it open for another, Scott should have originally said I'm making a series of prequels like star wars or whatever that will explain and lead into alien (which he's saying now). What I took from Prometheus is that we where put on earth by this superior race & evolved enough to find them, then it gets unclear, they also might have put the xomorphs (not sure of spelling) on a different planet but they evolved to rapidly and became hostile and dangerous and maybe tried to stop them. Hopefully we find out in the next one what that was all about & why the engineer's did this in the first place an experiment? For game hunting (like predator) or food? for resources that they could take at will? To keep their own species alive? Whatever Scott decides I hope we're told in paradise lost (a poem about Adam & eve and their creator) and then his sequel's can go from there, just please don't let him drag out the revile.

Ryaller · 28-09-2015 7:07pm

I think a lot of it's problems (and the source of many complaints) were as a result of the final edit. I read a great article a few years back (I can't remember where now) on what was shot but cut out. I don't doubt that a "final cut" will appear at some stage that will get rid of lots of the narrative holes.

Regardless, I still thought Prometheus was great.

cowboyBuilder · 28-09-2015 9:21pm

SouthTippBass wrote: »

Am I the only one that liked Prometheus? Some stupid (stupid) decisions were made, but overall I will still watch it again. Maybe its because I think it just looks amazing, those space and landscape shots, love it.

I never wanted an Alien movie from it like a lot of people did though.

I'll give it the positives, sets were amazing, sound was great and acting by Fassbender was good too.

But that giant facehugger and the final "Xenomorph" just killed it for me.

Total crap

Bacchus · 28-09-2015 9:36pm

PTB wrote: »

I really liked it, I think it's a great film but I understand why people weren't happy, it was billed as a origin's prequel that would explain how alien began but it didn't it started to but then finished leaving it open for another, Scott should have originally said I'm making a series of prequels like star wars or whatever that will explain and lead into alien (which he's saying now). What I took from Prometheus is that we where put on earth by this superior race & evolved enough to find them, then it gets unclear, they also might have put the xomorphs (not sure of spelling) on a different planet but they evolved to rapidly and became hostile and dangerous and maybe tried to stop them. Hopefully we find out in the next one what that was all about & why the engineer's did this in the first place an experiment? For game hunting (like predator) or food? for resources that they could take at will? To keep their own species alive? Whatever Scott decides I hope we're told in paradise lost (a poem about Adam & eve and their creator) and then his sequel's can go from there, just please don't let him drag out the revile.

Prometheus has plenty of problems and I acknowledge that but the questions you have there were answered in the movie...

Short answer...

They created us (or at least moved us along in evolution) but then realised we're a total waste of a species (there's a whole Jesus subtext if you want to go into that but you don't have to to understand what's going on) and so decided to use their weapon of mass destruction (the goo, which creates all manner of evil creatures designed to kill) to wipe us out. On the planet we see, there was a breakout of that goo and their weapon turned on them resulting in the dead planet (with a sole surviving engineer). All of that is in the movie and is a nice neat plot but it is padded with a lot of less clear stuff that makes the movie appear more complicated than it really is.

The obvious question is "why didn't they just leave it at the "Aliens" for the weapon of mass destruction? Why introduce the goo at all?" I think this is a core dividing point with Prometheus. It all would have been much more straightforward if we had facehuggers, not evolving goo but then, IMO, you loose all thematic/religious/"evil creates evil" stuff in the background which my inner nerd loved. Also, the goo made it more than just an Alien prequel. It expanded on the universe a bit and gave us the origin of the species. They were engineered, just like us.

The giant facehugger at the end though... stupid.

johnny_ultimate · 28-09-2015 9:40pm

This is the upcoming 'Alien' film I'm most interested in. Granted, this is primarily because a) I don't really believe there is a need for any more Alien films in the first place and b) because I think Neill Blomkamp is a mediocre director who has consistently failed to follow through on his theoretically interesting ideas, and has little in the way of directorial flair or imagination to separate him from the crowd.

But I also kinda liked Prometheus too. It's a deeply flawed film, although I tend to be more willing to forgive (or ignore) plot holes and logical leaps than many. Its tenuous connection with Scott's own masterpiece felt like a burden more than anything. Yet visually it was magnificent, with several very effective sequences and setpieces. It boasted an extremely capable cast, and flirted with ideas and themes that are typically absent from big budget sci-fi. I must concede that those ideas are often confused and disjointed, but I came out of the cinema at least curious and pleased that I'd seen a blockbuster that at the very least offered a pleasingly and uncommonly vivid big screen treat.

So, unnecessary though all these Alien sequels/prequels fundamentally are, there was enough of interest in Prometheus to suggest that with a bit of care there's the potential for an intriguing follow-up (not that this film's screenwriter emboldens much in the way of hope). Whereas Neill Blomkamp's filmography thus far engenders little optimism that he has the directorial chops to offer something radical and unique, or indeed something that doesn't abandon its bold concept in favour of another bland shoot 'em up.

Datallus · 28-09-2015 9:45pm

I enjoyed Prometheus but on repeated viewings it becomes apparent that some parts of the script were written by Beavis and Butthead wannabes. Minor characters with lines so bad you want to slap them! But overall I liked it, the pros far outweigh the cons.

PTB · 29-09-2015 6:58am

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

I'll give it the positives, sets were amazing, sound was great and acting by Fassbender was good too.

But that giant facehugger and the final "Xenomorph" just killed it for me.

Total crap

The giant face hugger was bad and he should have ended it with an Xenomorph more like the one in Alien.

You Mirin? · 29-09-2015 7:05am

Prometheus was immensely enjoyable as a visual spectacle alone. Would go see the future films for that part alone.

PTB · 29-09-2015 7:54am

Bacchus wrote: »

Prometheus has plenty of problems and I acknowledge that but the questions you have there were answered in the movie...

Short answer...

They created us (or at least moved us along in evolution) but then realised we're a total waste of a species (there's a whole Jesus subtext if you want to go into that but you don't have to to understand what's going on) and so decided to use their weapon of mass destruction (the goo, which creates all manner of evil creatures designed to kill) to wipe us out. On the planet we see, there was a breakout of that goo and their weapon turned on them resulting in the dead planet (with a sole surviving engineer). All of that is in the movie and is a nice neat plot but it is padded with a lot of less clear stuff that makes the movie appear more complicated than it really is.

The obvious question is "why didn't they just leave it at the "Aliens" for the weapon of mass destruction? Why introduce the goo at all?" I think this is a core dividing point with Prometheus. It all would have been much more straightforward if we had facehuggers, not evolving goo but then, IMO, you loose all thematic/religious/"evil creates evil" stuff in the background which my inner nerd loved. Also, the goo made it more than just an Alien prequel. It expanded on the universe a bit and gave us the origin of the species. They were engineered, just like us.

The giant facehugger at the end though... stupid.

Thanks for this, obviously I'm not to up too speed, (i haven't seen it since it first came out) the reason i liked it is because now paradise lost & the sequel's can be what Prometheus was supposed to be and Prometheus will stand as a 'but what happened at the very beginning' movie that some can over look if they want.

Going forward i think now paradise lost won't have to use up time to introduce characters and Xenomorph origin's and it can get straight into it, obviously the Xenomorph will have to evolve at least once more.

TheDoc · 29-09-2015 12:37pm

SouthTippBass wrote: »

Am I the only one that liked Prometheus? Some stupid (stupid) decisions were made, but overall I will still watch it again. Maybe its because I think it just looks amazing, those space and landscape shots, love it.

I never wanted an Alien movie from it like a lot of people did though.

I've watched it a few times and really enjoyed it. There was enough pieces of indicate you were in the Alien world, but it felt different and I liked it very much.

Film 4 doing a Scott run at the moment and just watched it the othernight, I still enjoy it thoroughly.

Bit confused as to what is happening here though. But I'm all for more Alien based films. And very much interested to see the Prometheus franchise continue.

evosteo · 12-11-2015 12:08am

http://m.ie.ign.com/articles/2015/11/11/ridley-scott-says-prometheus-sequels-will-reveal-who-created-aliens

Possible prequel to the prequel?

Frank Bullitt · 12-11-2015 8:43pm

This is getting silly now.

New Ice Age · 12-11-2015 9:57pm

What? So the next film is a sequel to Prometheus and will presumably carry on(ish) from where that left off. Then there's a third movie which will explain the origins of the Xenomorphs? Why the Alien in the title?

Edit:

So there'll be a Xenomorph in the sequel and they'll discover the origin of them in the third...

Facekicking 2 The Future · 13-11-2015 3:46am

I saw no trailers and avoided all news on it.

I came out out of Prometheus incredibly impressed, I thought the film was on par with Alien and Aliens and felt like it belonged in the same world of those two. Loved the ideas rarely done on that budget, the depression of the situation and the alien landscapes that felt truly alien and tempting fate. Yes those pun were's intended.

The abortion scene (in 3D) particular had me with my hands over my head in the cinema and is one of the most vivid memories I ever had in a cinema.

Prior to the scene,Michael Fassbender's line of questioning "Well now....its not exactly a traditional fetus" was so darkly ****ed up and funny/matter of fact".

So I was shocked to find the reaction online that the film itself was an abortion (I understand the points they tried to make but Jesus, it was near Phantom Menace frothing at the mouth in most corners)

Oblivion is another film that I loved from and it had one of the best screenplays that people in Hollywood that they have ever seen.

I'm usually a harsh critic and hard impressed, so In don't know if my taste is changing or just getting worse!

Anything that big budgeted with ideas getting funded that isn't a ****ing Marvel/DC or cinematic universe at this point is like an oasis in desert

helimachoptor · 13-11-2015 9:30am

So are we getting and Alien Film & Prometheus 2?

Sad Professor · 13-11-2015 10:06am

helimachoptor wrote: »

So are we getting and Alien Film & Prometheus 2?

We're getting Prometheus 2, which is an Alien prequel, and possibly Prometheus 3 as well. Blomkamp's previously announced Alien retcon sequel is on hold probably indefinitely.

Duggy747 · 13-11-2015 12:38pm

Jaysis, Scott has fairly done a 180 on the Alien franchise and the xenomorphs he was at pains for years to distance himself from, even when he said Prometheus would have nothing to do with Alien in the sequels.

I was actually more interested in Alien 5 than Prometheus 2, to be honest.

GAAman · 13-11-2015 12:40pm

Sad Professor wrote: »

We're getting Prometheus 2, which is an Alien prequel, and possibly Prometheus 3 as well. Blomkamp's previously announced Alien retcon sequel is on hold probably indefinitely.

Am I the only person who would have preferred the retcon over Prometheus?

Tony EH · 13-11-2015 1:34pm

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

You missed two apparently intelligent people try to escape a falling/rolling object by running in the same direction it was falling/rolling in.

Ya know it's funny.

I both like and hate that scene.

It's utterly stupid on the one hand, but Theron's death is absolutely terrifying. Her "No, no, no..." send shivers up my spine.

Mr Freeze · 13-11-2015 3:29pm

GAAman wrote: »

Am I the only person who would have preferred the retcon over Prometheus?

I have a funny feeling you are in the majority.

Drumpot · 13-11-2015 6:10pm

I really enjoyed Prometheus and don't get the hate. I understand why people were disappointed, but on second and third viewing the movie gets better and better.

As a standalone movie its extremely enjoyable.

13-11-2015 8:57pm

Drumpot wrote: »

I really enjoyed Prometheus and don't get the hate. I understand why people were disappointed, but on second and third viewing the movie gets better and better.

As a standalone movie its extremely enjoyable.

agreed. dont watch movies again much but have watched prometheus a couple of times again and enjoyed it. i really dont know why there was so much vitriol for it.

Keplar240B · 14-11-2015 1:34am

What is a retcon is that a reboot?

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