Iran Did Do It..............says Trump

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Vladimir Vladimirovich is committed to supporting Iran.

Not really no ,

They don't even have a formal alliance ,

Putin saved face by getting Iran to commit tens of thousands of troops to Syria as he couldn't afford the losses but should he decide he's going to send potentially tens of thousands of russians to their deaths in the middle East he might change his mind with a formal alliance ,but considering Putin is slowly loosing his grip at home chances are he won't be sending russians to bail out Iran

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

It has been announced that they are indeed formalising an alliance.

To discuss normalisating Syria.

Israel would still wipe the floor with Syria and Iran and before oul vlaidi starts a sale pitch of should buy russian didn't he tell Assad the same thing and yet Israel still strikes with impunity in Syria against Iranians .

Seems vladis memory is short

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Would Israel wipe the floor with Turkey?

They would yes , Turkey has a big military there is no doubt there ,can they fight effectively no , they suffered a fair few losses against kurds in Syria ,
Now put them in front of a well equipped and well trained professional military and see what happens ,

How many armies have Israel dispatched despite being out numbered ,out gunned and less equipped .
Didn't they all use the russian equipment too .

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

It has been announced that they are indeed formalising an alliance.

https://www-express-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.express.co.uk/news/world/1166108/russia-news-vladimir-putin-iran-turkey-donald-trump-world-war-3-spt/amp?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQEKAFwAQ%3D%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&aoh=15686699800834&csi=1&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.express.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fworld%2F1166108%2Frussia-news-vladimir-putin-iran-turkey-donald-trump-world-war-3-spt

Bad news for the PNAC/Greater Israel crowd, great news for the Middle East. The era of Pax Americana is over.

In terms of GDP, that's like the states of Texas, Pennsylvania and Maryland, getting together to take on the other states.

Danzy wrote: »

Russian equipment now is very good.

Their Sukhoi 57 fighter jet is considered to be streets ahead of the American F35, their top market offering.

Not all are like that but the days of the old Ww2 T72 tank shipped out to the Arabs are long gone.

The Chinese and the Russians learnt hard lessons from the beating Saddam took.

That said hard to get against Israel.

If it was at risk of being destroyed America would step in and we'd have the biggest war since WW2.

I don't think it is , even the russians themselves don't want it it's an expensive project much like the Chinese Stealth fighter /bomber that aren't stealth at all ,for most part the it's a Su37 that they essentially flattened out to look stealth,
It it came to a fight it would be the F22 Vs the SU57

The biggest issue with russian equipment it's mass produced to be easily replaced whenever destroyed that hasn't really changed ,it was seen in the Chechen wars , Georgia and East Ukraine the latest and greatest of tanks and vehicles easily taken out even against older tanks and other armour,

Although Russia is rebuilding it's military it's seems to be focused on a core of 100,000 men and units that can be rapidly deployed till the majority of the forces can be mobilised ,

Putin has been peddling the SU57 to various allies none who seem to actually want it or need it ,China didn't bother , India and Pakistan didn't want it ,and turkey is developing their own homegrown stealth fighter , meanwhile the US are well ahead with development of next generation of Stealth fighters and bombers

They do some great systems but there not perfect not at the US systems

cnocbui wrote: »

US claims to have pinpointed the launch sites for the Attack on the Abqaiq oil installation. The sites are in Southern Iran and says they will present evidence to the UN general Assembly next week. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49733558

I think it would be bizarre if there wasn't a military response to this - Iraq attacking Kuwait, comes to mind.

Well, you would always trust evidence that the US presents to the UN.

TheValeyard wrote: »

Well, you would always trust evidence that the US presents to the UN.

Didn't russia present deny they were in Ukraine ,shot down a civilian airliner killing all on board , attacked hospitals and civilians in Syria , denied chemical weapons were being used in Syria too ,

Yet people keep going on about wmds .


If that's the case we should all sit back and ignore anything going on in the world just because people will be happier to deny the obvious

Trump won't bomb if he can avoid it all costs.

They'll have the radar tracking, they'll have satellite images recording the flares from launches.

If he wanted to he has the reason, he has the proof instead he is keeping low key, put it on to Arabia, who'll not want escalation.

He is so obviously non interventionist abroad that it might be used by Iran to further escalate as a negotiation tactic.

overkill602 wrote: »

Always blame the west for the trouble in the region Iran is still a mess it was sanctioned because it wants a Nbomb and could never be-trusted it would give the bomb to any of the many proxy factions it funds in the region why can they just live in harmony like some of its neighbours, all it fcuking wants is chaos in the region, its sporting for a fight will probably target a warship next as it would up the anti.... then
annihilate the bastards carpet bomb them to oblivion death to Iran
or as they want nuclear so much drop a small one on them let them eat the radiation might dampen there appetite
The saudi's are scared of there **** of the houtis "great fighters" because the could nearly walk in to ryaiad unopposed and game over its Iran's, but you can be sure the US is watching

Seizing ships and bombing oil wells belonging and in another country is an act of war and a threat to the global economy cudios for max restraint but we can expect more.

So you would like to kill a couple of million innocent people because they refuse to bow to the Yanks?

Saudi are currently displaying the physical evidence of drones recovered from the oil site attack ,
Looks pretty damning wreckage of 8 + Iranian drones sitting in front of the UN security council

Gatling wrote: »

Saudi are currently displaying the physical evidence of drones recovered from the oil site attack ,
Looks pretty damning wreckage of 8 + Iranian drones sitting in front of the UN security council

So if someone turns up with wreckage of missiles fired at Yemen will it mean the Americans did it..
I don't doubt the drones were Iranian... Or that suits the Iranians

Markcheese wrote: »

I don't doubt the drones were Iranian... Or that suits the Iranians

It wasn't the American butler in the library now .


The Drones and missles are Iranian there is no other explanation .

It's not the rebels in Yemen ,they weren't launched from Yemen

Were i running a country, I would make no distinction between enemy A firing missiles at me and enemy A giving enemy B the missiles to fire at me. It's still enemy A having a go; not much use employing a fig leaf to try and disguise that fact.

kildare lad wrote: »

Well if that's the case , maybe they need brutal dictators to keep everyone in line. I'm reading a book about the SAS in iraq at the minute. The civil war that started there after the occupation would make the conflict in the north look like child's play . Shia and Sunni Muslims blowing up each other's neighbourhoods , killing 50, 60, 70 people with each bomb . In Libya they helped got rid of Gaddafi , theres now slave markets in Libya. They armed the rebels in Syria and also bombed targets for them , how's Syria now?? Saddam was a c*nt but there'd be a hell of a lot more people alive if America hadn't invaded. They invaded Iraq with false information and they knew it was false. We didn't have suicide bombing in Europe till the Yanks and the Brits decided to invade Iraq and neither did we have millions of refugees coming to Europe. Maybe if the Yanks read a few history books instead of listening to lies from neo conservative politicians , there'd be a few more people walking around including their own soldiers

The damage done from the invasion of Iraq will still be playing out for most of our lives.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

They displayed their new arsenal in July this was inside Yemen, not Iran. US and Saudi Arabia have not presented any evidence yet showing Iran launched this attack.

Here is video of the houtis showing off these new weapons- drones and cruise missiles.

Quds cruise missile you see in the video, is the missile the Saudis are now displaying.

Without a doubt the most alarming thing about this (for the US and it's allies) is that MIM-104 Patriot was not able to stop this attack.

My understanding is that the Saudi's are the biggest operator of this weapon after the US.
I wouldn't imagine they are to happy that the system was unable to protect their assets.

The system seems to be effective against SCUDs and Long Range missiles, but seems vulnerable to drone attacks.
There should have been cover, the SAM has a near 100km range

The Drone just waltzed in and completed it's objective.
No news one whether the Drone made it out though. That being said the fact that there are no pics of a downed drone indicates it probably did make it out (more bad news)

Beta Ray Bill wrote: »

Without a doubt the most alarming thing about this (for the US and it's allies) is that MIM-104 Patriot was not able to stop this attack.

My understanding is that the Saudi's are the biggest operator of this weapon after the US.
I wouldn't imagine they are to happy that the system was unable to protect their assets.

The system seems to be effective against SCUDs and Long Range missiles, but seems vulnerable to drone attacks.
There should have been cover, the SAM has a near 100km range

The Drone just waltzed in and completed it's objective.
No news one whether the Drone made it out though. That being said the fact that there are no pics of a downed drone indicates it probably did make it out (more bad news)

And exactly how many patriot missiles were fired?