Heavyweight Boxing

Who are you asking? One minute you want the forum to be a no Walshb place, yet here you are indirectly asking this question of me..because unless I missed something, I see no other poster bigging up Toney other than me.

move on. You made it clear that the forum has degenerated noticeably because of me.

You can’t discuss with me because to you my opinions are contrarian and bullshit.

But Hearns didn't really beat anyone great at MW/SMW...

Stopped by Hagler. Knocked out and outpointed by Barkley across MW and LHW

Got a draw against past his best smaller Leonard at 168

DeWitt and Shuler stand out, but neither were that great....

Kessler fougt better opposition at 168 in my view, and showed me better capabilities at 168

As much as I loved Hearns, these weaknesses stood out for me: weak chin, weak legs, and very little innate survival skills. Not great at spoiling and ducking/diving/holding etc...I think these areas see him suffer against quality men who can punch and take a punch.

Exactly. Roy relied on a different skill-set to avoid shots compared to Toney. It's pretty basic stuff. Toney used old skool slips and rolls and parries. Jones was more move back and avoid.

Toney was innate fighting type skills and tricks to defend and counter.

Roy was like Ali. Relied on range and speed/reflexes. When these eroded, just like Ali, Roy used what, a high guard!! That was his whole defense...and it' why his chin was then proper tested cleaner, and it failed him. Ali's didn't.

Toney's defense and rolls and slips were far more seasoned and natural and fighting type skills.

Can anyone envisage Enzo fooking Macarinelli knocking out James Toney? Even a 60 year old Toney wouldn't get knocked out by a prime Enzo, never mind the past it Enzo that took Roy out.

Roy doesn't get a pass for his clean KO losses to Tarver and Johnson, as Roy was not a shot fighter. He was still considered a top fighter. His chin was now simply more exposed, and it failed him, as did his ability to defend using other traits like what Toney had.

I don't agree that Jones was a better all round fighter. Toney had the chin and innate defenses that Roy did not have. Toney was the more complete fighter. Roy more the athletic marvel.

If you break it down to specific areas you can count up for one man or the other. BUT the whole package you need to consider that one man was never knocked out, and fought everyone. The other man was knocked out several times clean.

Speed feet: Jones

Hands: Jones

Jab: Toney

Power. Both had solid power.

Defense and ring IQ: Toney all the time. Born fighter

Survival defense: No brainer. Toney

Inside fighting: Toney

Resiliency/toughness: Toney

Combinations: Both could put together great varied combinations

Stamina: Toney had one of the best cardio boxing engines ever. Pure relaxed.

Chin: No brainer. Toney

Maybe I have missed some areas, but Toney for me eclipses Roy in several areas.

Collins beat Eubanks and Benn and McCallum said he would never get in a ring with him again after they fought. Probably the most underrated is McCallum.

I never said he had any advantages.

I was waiting for this type reply.

A boxing match doesn’t work out like that. It’s not a case of ticking boxes and the one who has more ticks wins.

They fought once. A dull boring fight that Roy won using areas he was better on. Foot and hand speed. Other areas meant little, because Roy used his key areas to nullify. Credit to him.

my list wasn’t in the Roy vs Toney fighting each other sense..so I did not miss any key area.

Has the weight limits of the heavyweight division changed and I missed the memo?

As far as I'm aware he has to fight Whyte or Whyte gets the belt.

Nope at there convention yesterday they said they can't make Fury v Whyte as Whyte is in arbitration due to Wallin demanding his fight,

They WBC can & now might make Fury the Franchise champion , meaning he can go down other avenues to fight others & come back & fight the champion when he decides , Basically he would have no mandatory called by them ,

I get the feeling every time Hearn says the WBC will now have to X they say "ohh do we now " and go and do Y , I think sometimes he needs to keep his mouth shut or take a more we will wait and see approach, Sulaiman does not like being backed into a corner & Bob Arum plays it well by always bogging him up

Remember these guys want the most lucrative guys to be there champions ,

Is it wrong Yes of course,

Be bigger craic if Wallin beat him!!!

Yes....I just want to see fights...and it's not just HW...The amount fighters across all weights not fighting each other....painful

No wonder we're harping on about the past and fantasy fights...

Forget Pulev and Mir and AJ and Fury and Usyk and Wilder blah blah blah.

Parker-Chisora II is where it's at, lads!!!!!

You do know that Fury is a drugs cheat as well?