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walshb · 19-10-2015 1:58pm

efb wrote: »

When you quote me and then say it it's not so clear. Quoting means you are referring to that post

The post of mine seemed clear to me that I wasn't lableing your post as crap. Apologies if it was ambiguous to you. No offence was meant.

Anyway, the rush to slate a whole organisation here is what puzzles me.

efb · 19-10-2015 2:00pm

I slated the politics of the organisation not the organisation.

walshb · 19-10-2015 2:02pm

efb wrote: »

I slated the politics of the organisation not the organisation.

C'mon, don't be obtuse here. The organisation is the people and its policies. Like I said, when I hear from both sides I will make a call. The rush to judgment based off one side's statement isn't right.

You haven't given any details or information. Just a kind of blanket criticism of the organisation, (sorry, its policies).

vicwatson · 19-10-2015 2:06pm

This is absolutely crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy

efb · 19-10-2015 2:08pm

Walshb read my post anyway you want. My dealings with the politics of it, leave me completely unsurprised by Billy Walshs resignation

walshb · 19-10-2015 2:10pm

efb wrote: »

Walshb read my post anyway you want. My dealings with the politics of it, leave me completely unsurprised by Billy Walshs resignation

I read it as it is. A blanket criticism based off your own experience with the politics of the IABA. An anecdote at best.

efb · 19-10-2015 2:13pm

Yes. That's all it is. That's all anyone has.

Mick Dowling not impressed on liveline

efb · 19-10-2015 2:15pm

The Sports Council brokered an agreement.

The IABA were the ones not to agree with it, the others were on board

efb · 19-10-2015 2:17pm

It's like if the Labour Court broker an agreement, the side that rejects it needs to say why

walshb · 19-10-2015 2:18pm

efb wrote: »

The Sports Council brokered an agreement.

The IABA were the ones not to agree with it, the others were on board

The others were on board? What others? Walsh and The Sports Council?

The IABA are the main player here. They are the organisation. The people behind Irish boxing. Ordinary people. So, if they were not behind the agreement then maybe they had very valid reasons for it?

efb · 19-10-2015 2:19pm

Well they need to put forward that. But it was agreed and then they went back on it. That is all agreed

efb · 19-10-2015 2:21pm

Et tu Brutas?

efb · 19-10-2015 2:23pm

Michael defending his brother on Liveline

efb · 19-10-2015 2:42pm

http://m.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/vincent-hogan-billy-walsh-is-fighting-for-the-right-to-do-his-job-better-31486775.html

Vincent Hogan on the debacle

walshb · 19-10-2015 3:11pm

pac_man wrote: »

So do people think Walsh should have sole responsibility on who participates on certain tournaments?

He should have input, but no way should one man yield that kind of power-influence.

efb · 19-10-2015 3:12pm

Surely as head he would be best placed- and not the IABA all picking their own club boxers???

efb · 19-10-2015 3:19pm

His team would be involved too

efb · 19-10-2015 3:28pm

Pac_man from my experiences yes I've seen it

walshb · 19-10-2015 3:29pm

efb wrote: »

Pac_man from my experiences yes I've seen it

That'll do then. Well, doesn't seem to have done any harm, as we are quite successful on the boxing scene!

walshb · 19-10-2015 3:30pm

pac_man wrote: »

How do you define input. I'm sure he had input into his current arrangement but probably felt it was falling on deaf ears.

Input is having a say. Giving his views and his feedback in conjunction with the views and feedback from others.

efb · 19-10-2015 3:30pm

No the hand picked ones rarely did anything of note

efb · 19-10-2015 3:31pm

And the expense of more talented but less well connected boxers

walshb · 19-10-2015 3:36pm

You know, maybe all this talk of picking boxers etc is just a smoke screen from what these issues are almost always about, money!

super_furry · 19-10-2015 4:02pm

walshb wrote: »

You know, maybe all this talk of picking boxers etc is just a smoke screen from what these issues are almost always about, money!

Don't be daft. Walsh will get much, much more money in the US, and the ISC, who fund his position are in full agreement with Walsh.

Still nothing for the IABA but Michael Carruth spinning wildly for his brother on Liveline.

walshb · 19-10-2015 4:03pm

super_furry wrote: »

Don't be daft. Walsh will get much, much more money in the US.
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And he's leaving the IABA, you do know that? You've actually backed up my belief. The U.S. package is a lot more attractive.

Strange post from you there.

price690 · 19-10-2015 4:05pm

If its a case of being unhappy about not getting to pick his own team, what boxers do ye reckon Billy Walsh would not pick if he was given that power?

If this is the case (which I don't think it is to be honest), surely hes unhappy at having to pick certain boxers consistently?

As far as I know, the national championships determined who represented Ireland at major championships no?

Reading between the lines, does this insinuate that Billy Walsh doesn't like leaving it in the hands of IABA boxing judges to pretty much decide?

Lets not pretend there have not been a good few questionable decisions at the stadium over the course of a few championships.

walshb · 19-10-2015 4:07pm

price690 wrote: »

Lets not pretend there have not been a good few questionable decisions at the stadium over the course of a few championships.

And that has happened since day 1 across boxing in all countries. That can never be eradicated. Most of the time the correct boxer gets the decision.

super_furry · 19-10-2015 4:08pm

walshb wrote: »

And he's leaving the IABA, you do know that? You've actually backed up my belief. The U.S. package is a lot more attractive.

Strange post from you there.

Michael Carruth is that you? He stated he's turned down overtures and offers from the US and England for more money before. He's also cleary stated that the IABA have made it impossible for him to stay.

Walsh and the ISC, who fund his role, had agreed a deal only for the AIBA to refuse to even consider it! But by all means keep spinning it that he's leaving because of money.

walshb · 19-10-2015 4:10pm

super_furry wrote: »

Michael Carruth is that you? He stated he's turned down overtures and offers from the US and England for more money before. He's also cleary stated that the IABA have made it impossible for him to stay.

Walsh and the ISC, who fund his role, had agreed a deal only forr the AIBA to refuse to even consider it! But by all means keep spinning it that he's leaving because of money.

I didn't say that. I said it's a posible runner/belief. In these negotiations the money and package was a big thing, as well as the picking of boxers. Let's not be so naive to think that money is not an issue here. It's always an issue in these kind of wranglings.

efb · 19-10-2015 4:30pm

I'm not in a position to name names

price690 · 19-10-2015 4:33pm

Is Carruth well known to not like Walsh or what?

walshb · 19-10-2015 4:43pm

pac_man wrote: »

Which Carruth?

I think he means Michael.

I have never heard anything to suggest that they were on bad terms.

nice_guy80 · 19-10-2015 5:20pm

politics in sport

holds everything back, no matter what the sport

efb · 19-10-2015 5:33pm

Walshb:
You know, maybe all this talk of picking boxers etc is just a smoke screen from what these issues are almost always about, money!

Why you think that? Everyone agrees it's not about money

efb · 19-10-2015 5:35pm

wrong thread

Dick phelan · 19-10-2015 5:41pm

Doubt Carruth dislikes Walsh considering he called him a life long friend on liveline today.

slow · 19-10-2015 5:53pm

Minister Michael Ring bleating on Drivetime about meetings. He met everybody except Billy Walsh.

Harry Palmr · 19-10-2015 6:04pm

This is leading the RTE tv news! (quiet day)

walshb · 19-10-2015 6:48pm

slow wrote: »

Minister Michael Ring bleating on Drivetime about meetings. He met everybody except Billy Walsh.

That minister was like the fooking duracell bunny. Couldn't shut him up. He wasn't talking, he was ranting. And the bloody ignorance of the man that he couldn't even refer to Walsh properly. Who d fcuk is Billy Welsh? And no, I don't wana hear how some people pronounce it that way. It's pure ignorance.

price690 · 19-10-2015 6:58pm

walshb wrote: »

That minister was like the fooking duracell bunny. Couldn't shut him up. He wasn't talking, he was ranting. And the bloody ignorance of the man that he couldn't even refer to Walsh properly. Who d fcuk is Billy Welsh? And no, I don't wana hear how some people pronounce it that way. It's pure ignorance.

He wanted to be seen being outraged about it more like. I'd say he couldn't give a toss.

Shurimgreat · 19-10-2015 7:21pm

Typical Irish situation. Someone does a great job, brings a lot of success to a team and someone wants to muscle in on the glory. That's my take on it.

super_furry · 19-10-2015 7:49pm

Just listened to Billy Walsh on Newstalk, he made it very clear that the IABA had no intention of trying to keep him. Fergal Carruth has serious questions to answer but he won't. He'll go to ground and send his brother out to do his talking.

Mr.Nice Guy · 19-10-2015 8:09pm

Very saddened to hear this. He's been a credit to Irish sport. Our loss will be America's gain.

efb · 19-10-2015 8:40pm

Still awaiting IABA explanation...

walshb · 19-10-2015 9:08pm

efb wrote: »

Walshb:
You know, maybe all this talk of picking boxers etc is just a smoke screen from what these issues are almost always about, money!

Why you think that? Everyone agrees it's not about money

So, if you are so sure money has zero to do with it then maybe you can tell us what exactly it is about? Listening to Billy today he said it was never 'really' about money. Didn't sound all that convincing. I am not saying money is the only issue, but to be so certain, like you are, that it's nothing to do with money is naive at best. You've been hinting that you know what it's about, or have a good idea what it's about, but you have said nothing or shown nothing. I don't think this is only about management and autonomy.

walshb · 19-10-2015 9:09pm

super_furry wrote: »

Just listened to Billy Walsh on Newstalk, he made it very clear that the IABA had no intention of trying to keep him. Fergal Carruth has serious questions to answer but he won't. He'll go to ground and send his brother out to do his talking.

Nonsense. You know nothing about the CEO of the IABA, or why MC chose to go onto Liveline.

Tobyglen · 20-10-2015 12:19am

Shambles, muppets in the IABA- wouldn't even go on newstalk when asked to explain the situation. Walsh has done an incredible job and is a honest bloke- give him everything he needs.

Joe_ Public · 20-10-2015 1:36am

Been a while since I was a member here, but as a fan of Irish amateur boxing - no insider info - I was moved to register again just to express sheer bafflement and anger at the latest turn of events. I listened to Billy Walsh breaking down on RTE this evening and it's obvious it's breaking his heart to leave. I don't believe he thought it would come to this, that he'd go to the World Champs, preside over a country finishing fourth in the world - FOURTH! - and come home to a warm reception and a new agreeable contract to Rio and beyond. The FAI are rushing to sign Martin O'Neill up for another campaign and they're only in a play-off yet.

And people suggesting we need to hear the IABA's side. Well yes, same goes for basically every Irish boxing debacle over the past 10 years. We need to hear the IABA's side, but never do. Who even are the IABA? A bunch of guys, I guess, maybe a token female possibly, who like to keep a very low profile. Maybe they're answerable to the clubs and delegates of the various bodies, but they certainly aint answerable to the court of public opinion anyway. Maybe people think that's how it should be.

Gary Keegan, Billy Walsh, Jim Moore - arguably the 3 coaches/administrators involved in the Irish set-up past 15 years, all left their positions under a cloud and maybe that tells a story. And Zaur Antia is a great coach, loved by the boxers, but a high performance director? Very doubtful. Same goes for Pete Taylor and probably any other name that will be thrown into the mix. The next move here gonna be very interesting to observe.

efb · 20-10-2015 1:38am

Walshb, you seem very defensive of the IABA, when all agree they dropped the ball on this one.

All being interviewed said it wasnt money, even Carruth, so I believe that.

Your namesake is a great loss to Irish Sport.

efb · 20-10-2015 1:42am

walshb wrote: »

super_furry wrote: »

Just listened to Billy Walsh on Newstalk, he made it very clear that the IABA had no intention of trying to keep him. Fergal Carruth has serious questions to answer but he won't. He'll go to ground and send his brother out to do his talking.

Nonsense. You know nothing about the CEO of the IABA, or why MC chose to go onto Liveline.

Do you not think the IABA should be answering these questions????

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