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16-10-2020, 18:57   #46
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Scholl drop off
1.30 finish for younger kids
2.30 finish for older kids
Thats 3 times a day
Yes, if it's a primary school.

If it's a secondary school, they all get out at the same time, so it's just twice a day.

OP didn't specify which type of school it is. But at most, if 20 minutes at a time, it's a maximum of just one hour comings and goings out of 24 hours in a day, on only about half the days in the year.

Some people - such as OP and neighbours - see that as a problem. Personally, I don't. But we've moved on from that part of the discussion anyway.
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16-10-2020, 19:09   #47
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Peoples selfishness with parking knows no bounds. I had a similar problem with headmelt selfish and totally inconsiderate mothers who would park at my (private) premises and waddle across to pick up their dahrlings and the drive the 50m home with them. It boiled my blood. After about a year I got in a company called RFC (I think) parking - for a smallish fee they errected 2 signs saying private, no parking clamping in place & we hd an agreement that I would call them with the reg plates of the daily offenders - they oarked around the corner and would come up and clamp - shooting fish in a barrel for them and I got a lit of evil satisfaction. I didn’t want every car clamped - just the selfish self entitled lazy ones who ruined it for everyone.

They can errect live video cameras and record the offenders and when the space is parked in a trigger text is sent to the local clamper guy who
just vrooms around and slaps a clamp on. Very satisfying. Or he can just park up there and be handy and save the petrol. again. Highly satisfying.

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I'm going way off topic here, but why would the council have a hatred for gated estates?
Probably because they know how difficult it is in the long term to maintain these, to provide for a sinking fund to have them replaced over time, to maintain insurance to so that anyone injured by the gates is covered.

It's just a bit of an admin mess.
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16-10-2020, 19:19   #49
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Probably because they know how difficult it is in the long term to maintain these, to provide for a sinking fund to have them replaced over time, to maintain insurance to so that anyone injured by the gates is covered.

It's just a bit of an admin mess.
I doubt that’s it, we still need a management co, abs annual service charge , a sinking fund and we still need insurance for public liability, having gates would just increase the cost a little.
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In Rathgar village there is a private estate, with gates, the gates are in from the road about 1½ car lengths.

They had double yellows down but people still parked so they then put in big balls on the roadway, they are black which imo isn't the best idea as someone could trip but they done the trick on the parking....
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16-10-2020, 19:27   #51
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Yes, if it's a primary school.

If it's a secondary school, they all get out at the same time, so it's just twice a day.

OP didn't specify which type of school it is. But at most, if 20 minutes at a time, it's a maximum of just one hour comings and goings out of 24 hours in a day, on only about half the days in the year.

Some people - such as OP and neighbours - see that as a problem. Personally, I don't. But we've moved on from that part of the discussion anyway.
My guess is that you don't live close enough to a school for parent parking to effect you. It's easy to dismiss the OPs concerns in that case.
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My guess is that you don't live close enough to a school for parent parking to effect you. It's easy to dismiss the OPs concerns in that case.
I don't right now. But have already posted about how I used to live in the first house I bought in very similar circumstances - estate of approx. 50 houses, not taken in charge in by council and therefore privately owned, just up the road from a school of approx 400 pupils, and used like this as as setdown/pick-up point at school run times.

It didn't bother me. Approx. 20 minutes at a time, on less than half the days of the year. I saw it as just one of those things you have to learn to live with, when you live near a school.

But others obviously feel differently about this. Some of my own neighbours there did, and OP and his/her neighbours do too. But again, we've moved on from that part of the discussion.
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There is the sign that says it’s private ? And as I said whether it looks private or not isn’t the issue, it is private . That’s an irrefutable fact.

Also I have not seen any evidence of a successful prosecution for unlawful use of those stickers so you’ll forgive me if I don’t take your interpretation of a fairly widely worded piece of legislation as gospel unless you have an example to hand ?

You can get stickers that aren’t as difficult to remove aswell rather they will make the point that it’s a private road and not to park here in future but will just peel off.
A, Im aware its private but how can people know that? The law doesnt allow cloak and dagger. People need to be made aware that they are on private property in cases like this. If there is a sign, great but is one sign enough? Maybe more and as I think someone said, yellow lines except Im assuming you dont have an issue with your own guests parking up so instead of the lines, you put parking spaces labelled as private?

B, There is zero ambiguity over criminal damage, zero. why would you have seen a prosecution for it? Do you work in the justice system?

Heres one from the UK for ya: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a6703656.html

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/ne...kers-put-cars/

Heres a great example of how far reaching criminal damage is: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crim...page-1.1850417

Its vadalism, just because the sticker van be removed is the same arguement as 'the paint can be washed'.
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A, Im aware its private but how can people know that? The law doesnt allow cloak and dagger. People need to be made aware that they are on private property in cases like this. If there is a sign, great but is one sign enough? Maybe more and as I think someone said, yellow lines except Im assuming you dont have an issue with your own guests parking up so instead of the lines, you put parking spaces labelled as private?

B, There is zero ambiguity over criminal damage, zero. why would you have seen a prosecution for it? Do you work in the justice system?

Heres one from the UK for ya: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a6703656.html

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/ne...kers-put-cars/

Heres a great example of how far reaching criminal damage is: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crim...page-1.1850417

Its vadalism, just because the sticker van be removed is the same arguement as 'the paint can be washed'.
Thanks for two links to the uk which I assume you didn’t actually read ? No one was prosecuted .

Again depending on the type of sticker I’d doubt criminal damage would be assumed.
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Another option is for one of the actual residents to park their car out on the road and put a clamp on it themselves. Have signs up saying clamping in operation. When people come and see a clamped car, and signs up, they will piss off.
Exactly. Works well, but you need to have a "pool" of cars so that it looks like different people are being clamped.

I worked in the uk and people used our car park. We put a clamping notice up and it was ignored.

We clamped thee of our cars and left them overnight and not one single unauthorized car parked that day. We repeated it a few times with different staff cars and issue went away.
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No one was prosecuted .
Point of order.

Somebody was prosecuted in the first case. She just wasn't convicted.

And while nobody was prosecuted in the second case, they were still arrested, interviewed, and cautioned. Am sure most people would prefer not to go through that either.

Having said that, both instances were in the UK. Things might operate differently here.
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To me it's not the amount of times a day that cars park in a marked private estate but the fact that these drivers are arrogant and thoughtless enough to do it.

The lack of consideration for others displayed by people collecting kids from school is legendary.

Op, consider the double yellow lines but signs displayed and whatever action mentioned being followed up may be the only way to make these people see sense.
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Thanks for two links to the uk which I assume you didn’t actually read ? No one was prosecuted .

Again depending on the type of sticker I’d doubt criminal damage would be assumed.
You can't be in a criminal court if you are not prosecuted. You mean convicted.

You can't recieved a police caution without admitting your guilt. The person was arrested, admitted criminals damage and recieved a police caution. Yo get a caution when yo have no previous. If that person did it again, they would be charged.

I'm only going to end up repeating myself which you will ignore again so I will not bother. Yo have evidently decided

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I'm only going to end up repeating myself which you will ignore again so I will not bother. Yo have evidently decided
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Can you just remove the ability to park? Residents don't need it so there's no point having it.
Take that space away from the road by making the road a few feet narrower?

Large planters, relandscaping to move the kerb out, large rocks at close intervals, bollards in the road . . .whatever is feasible.
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