STOVES questions and answers here(see mod note in post 1)

Putty Man wrote: »

I agree the CFour looks lovely, and seems very well made when I poked at it in the showroom. We are still tempted by it, but the extra £150 you pay for a Cove 1 must go somewhere. Also we like the higher stand you get with the Cove 1.

Here's the sales blurb on Quatroflow, tbh it seems like a fairly big deal I would say?
http://www.charnwood.com/QUATTROFLOW-air-management-system.aspx#

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The more I hear about Stanley/Chinese stoves the more I'm moving towards an Inis. So at the moment the Inis Mor/Meain is winning our big stove competition. The guy selling the Inis is a local fella too, and a plumber by trade, which is a good combo I think.

We looked into a Charnwood Cove 2B or an Island 3B for the big room, but you cannot have both an external air supply, and a back boiler on these. Which rules them out for us.

I was looking throgh the Charnwood material and noticed the lack of reference to the external air supply option. Is this the case for all the Charnwood products or do some provide this option? Q therefore, is what are the options for good quality woodburning or multifuel stoves that provide this facility?

All the Inis boiler and non-boiler stoves have an external air option also.

NickTellis wrote: »

We have a czech-made cast iron wood burner that's in need of a repaint. We'll probably just go with a matt black finish so any recommendations for the type of paint to use would be appreciated.

Hi:) Any high temperature paint will be fine. Just look at the back of the can and see what it's temperature rating is.
The heat proof paint generally has a picture of a stove or barbecue.

Spray around 20-30cm away and apply in several coats rather than using lots:). Gives a good finish. You can get it in black with a metalic finish too if required. (little silver flecks) I have used this paint in the UK. Don't know if they post to Ireland? Many colours available. Good quality.
http://calfire.com/section.php?section=59&session=new

Stove Fan.:)

As this is a dedicated stove thread can I refer to another thread on stoves and external air supply in this forum and ask those in the business to comment on the apparent grave dangers of installing a stove or indeed an open fireplace in a room which also has a forced ventilation device such as a kitchen extractor fan without also installing a negative pressure guard. Has anyone ever come across this issue and what are your views on the matter. Has anyone who has installed a stove in such a scenario installed one of these devices?

All comments awaited with great interest as I would be very concerned to go ahead an install a stove if I was doing something that could harm a member of my family.

Btw sorry my technical incompetence means I can't include a link of the other thread here but it should be easy enough to find.

Can anyone give me a comparison between the Esse 350GS, Boru Chieftain and the Charnwood SLX45i?

I cannot find any reviews of Boru (but loads of people looking for reviews).
Charnwood and Esse are pretty good apparently too.

It's for a Semi-d, and I already have an open fire with back boiler so the plumbing should be minimal.

Pique wrote: »

Can anyone give me a comparison between the Esse 350GS, Boru Chieftain and the Charnwood SLX45i?

I cannot find any reviews of Boru (but loads of people looking for reviews).
Charnwood and Esse are pretty good apparently too.

It's for a Semi-d, and I already have an open fire with back boiler so the plumbing should be minimal.

Hi:) I can't comment on boru stoves as I have never viewed one. I didn't even know about them until I moved to Ireland.

The Esse green switch seems to be a liked stove. If I was choosing between the two, it would have to be Charnwood. Another option is the parkray cumbria boiler inset stove. They are well regarded in the UK as well. If I wanted an inset stove I would buy the parkray cumbria as its cheaper and still well made:)

http://www.parkray.co.uk/HTML/Cumbria.html


Stove Fan:)

NickTellis wrote: »

Thanks Stove Fan, that looks like exactly what I need. Might even be a little daring and go for a colour other than black.

Any idea how much these cans cost?

Sorry no idea:( The paint was supplied free by the stove dealer for touching up:)

Stove Fan:)

Does anyone know what diameter rope I would need for a Charnwood country 6 stove - I only need to replace the rope on one door - It would be the Left Hand Side as you look at the stove - don't know if this is relevant !!

Thanks in advance

Surfn wrote: »

im thinking about replacing an old stanley solid fuel cooker which was converted to oil about 10 years ago, its very bad at heating the water and rads.the stove im looking at is the Boru Carraig Mor 30kw boiler stove.i want something that will throw out a good bit of heat to the water.the chimney flue has clay liners in it but when the cooker got converted there had to go a flexi flue liner into it.
Question 1. Do i need a heavier flexi flue liner for the solid fuel stove.
Question 2. Do i need insulation around the flexi flue liner.the flexi flue line now for the oil is just laying inside the clay flue's it was never insulated around.
Question 3. Could you guys give me your opinions on the Boru Carraig Mor 30kw stove.
Thanks in advance

Hi:) Was the stanley range when using solid fuel did it heat the rads and water well? Or just badly with oil? It may be that the boiler is clogged up or the range is trying to heat too many radiators.
How many radiators are there in the property and what size are they and if single or double? We need this information too see if the boiler size on the carraig more is big enough.
If the flexible flue liner is 10 years old, even if it was originally installed for solid fuel I would replace it for a new 904 grade liner as it's quite old. Your liner may only be suitable for oil if it was replaced at the same time as the oil conversion. (Unlikely) but you never know. Best to fit new and forget:)
It's generally not needed to insulate around the flue liner and clay liner, but if you wanted too you could do so. If this is an old fully external chimney I would insulate it. The main thing is the chimney top around the flue terminal is sealed around the liner so any heat lost from the liner stays in the void between the clay liner and stainless liner.

People on this forum seem to like the carraig mor:)

Stove Fan:)

bermo63 wrote: »

couple of questions for stoveman and everone else please ,are stoves like cars in the sense that there are well known names makes models etc out there whats are the good ones as you seem to no alot of different types, we are looking to replace our fireplace with a stove big enough to heat about 6 double rads downstairs and 7 single upstairs and heat the hot water so would anyone be able to recommend one to fit our needs we have 2 extentsions downstairs so its a big enough space to heat we will have oil as backup but hopefully wont be buying anymore oil if this works out do the stoves take alot of coal and logs to keep going

cheers keith

Hi Keith:) The well known stoves are:

1 Clearview.
2 Morso
3 Charnwood
4 Dunsley Heat.
5 Woodwarm.
6 Stovax
7 aarrow
8 Yeoman
9 villager
10 Hunter

Clearview, morso and Charnwood are very well known in the stove industry for making truly excellent stoves. Dunsley and woodwarm are also excellent but not as well known in Ireland. I quite like various models of the others. We have a villager berkley 7.6 kw boiler stove and find it great although if money wasn't an option I would buy a dunsley yorkshire boiler stove, not big enough for your needs though:(.

Do you have any idea of the KW output of your various radiators? If you could list the measurements and note if they are double or single I could give you a rough idea of a stove that may be suitable:). What are the room dimensions that the stove would be fitted in?.

It's very hard really to say how much fuel you will need as everyone has different comfort levels, insulation and how many hours burning. To give you a very rough quide we used 50, 40kg bags of coal to heat our 5 rads and hot water burning mostly 13 hours a day for 7 months last winter.


We have these sized rads and even though our boiler is undersized it heats the house very well:

1 600 X 1100 double 2.0kw
2 600 X 700 double 2.4kw (Total)
1 600 X 800 double 1.4kw
1 600 X 800 Single 750w
1 towel rail 550w
Hot water 3kw.



My elderly relatives like it 21-24 degrees all over our extended 2 bed detatched older style bungalow. The stove is our only form of heating. We paid 650 euros for the 50 bags of coal.

Stove Fan:)

i was talking to a woman the day who sells stoves i was asking her about the hunter 80b and the stovax 14hb, she said the stovax 14hb was very good ar heating rads, more so than the hunter 80b. I know i was think about a boru carraig mor, but now sort of thinking along the lines of this stovax 14hb. Stove Fan what do you think of the 14hb.for build quality would the stovax be way ahead of boru

guinness queen wrote: »

ps do not think I WILL BE HEATING RADS, was told by plumber too dificult to join up with my raburn oil fired central heating. Something to do with pressurised system now installed. Not enough room between main tank and header tank. would cause air locks in system. Internal massive chimney has to be lined I GUESS. SORRY ABOUT THE ADD ON. THANKS FOR ANY HELP.:o

Connecting a boiler stove to a pressurised system really complicates the install. You would need an installer who knew what he was doing. It would make the install very expensive:mad:.

With regards to having a 9-11 kw stove in your room would roast you alive. If you could open several doors to the other rooms so you could get a through flow it may be ok, especially with an ecofan on top of the stove distributing the heat. I think 8kw would be more appropriate:) for the room.
What style of stove are you looking for and stove budget?

Stove Fan:)

guinness queen wrote: »

Dear Stove Fan and insulation Monkey,;);)
Many thanks for prompt reply and useful information,
Stove Fan: I have looked at so many stoves by now that I am more confused than ever, with all the varying info. different every shop. that said I was told that an 9-11 kw was far too big. I loved the Dru and another Belgian make STEy I think. They do not have models in a 7 or 8 Kw.
I want cast iron I am sure of that. I will have to remove the old back boiler and cast iron surround that now exists. Do not want to loose this so will have to work around that. I woud prefer a traditional looking stove but am flexible with that ,without a boiler) I would like it to heat the hallway which is next to the room where stove is going to heat,
I would spend Eu 1,000-1200'ish.
Insulation Monkey.
Are you talking about a double skin flue, or is this sleeve seperate. I was recommended to use a double skin flue.
I was told also that it needed to be vented on top to comply to BS.......
Am more confused than ever, its all too confusing for a 65 year old.
thanking you both in anticipation for any advice. the guinness queen;)

Hi:) On your budget for the stove, have a look at the esse 200 and the Dovre 250 both in your required output. See the reviews on www.whatstove.co.uk A stove with an existing chimney would be best lined with a flexible stainless steel liner. If burning lots of coal fit the dearer 904 grade. If a new external chimney is needed you would use a twin wall insulated chimney.
For building regs the flue from the stove can be rear vented but only a horizontal distance of 6 inches is allowed. Generally if its possible use the top flue on the stove as it makes sweeping easier.

Stove Fan:)

guinness queen wrote: »

Gentlemen,

Do u have any experience of the Nestor Martin, Harmony 1 or a similar model.
I only want a cast iron, multi fuel. about 8kw. I saw this one, not mad about brass, but they have another one without brass handles almost the same. sorry to be a pain. thanks again. GQ,

Franco Belge Savoy, Limousin and Camargue would be another option for cast iron stove with 8-10kw output.

DaDa wrote: »

Hi,

We have recently taken advantage of the SEAI grants and done the cavity pumped insulation, attic and gas boiler upgrades/zones ...etc.

Before we get the required BER rating done we are thinking of finishing it off with a multifuel stove in place of the existing open fireplace. We have a fitter ready, but would like to hear suggestions on where to buy such a stove (or what we refer to as the "pot belly"). We are not looking to hook it up to the heating system.

We live in Dunboyne, Co. Meath so ideally within easy enough reach of there.



Thanks!

Sorry I don't know of any suppliers here personally, but am sure other forum members will. Have you a stove in mind? If you would like some suggestions, all I would need is the room size and budget. Go for quality if you can:)

Stove Fan:)

Stove Fan wrote: »

Fitting a boiler stove sounds very possible as you seem to have a hot water cylinder on an open vented system although through several walls. Can't be fitted easily on a sealed system.
The only problem I see is that you really need coal as well as the turf to get the rads hot.
As regards cost I have no idea, depends on how much the stove is and how much plumbing is involved. I would say 2-3000euro!! I would get some quotes in.

You may find you are better off just fitting a non boiler stove and use the turf only to heat the room and a bit more. Any extra heat would spread around the house anyway with the door(s) open.
If you have TRV'S thermostatic rad valves fitted any extra heat from the stove would warm other rooms up and the trv's would turn the rads off/down and reduce the oil usage.

What stove did you buy? Glad it worked out for you:D

Stove Fan:)

SeaFields wrote: »

We bought (or should i say she chose! ) Stanley Erin. Even this morning when we got up you could still feel the heat around the house, especially in the room the stove is. I think I said earlier that its 17k but I might be wrong? Eitherway it as a great decision.

Oh and should also add that even tho we only have it a few days we have been burning just turf and timber and this seems more than enough to heat everything. Atho that could change if the weather turns nasty :eek:

Wood on it's own or mixed with turf is actually very good as it's the wood that gives the heat:cool: Never rated turf on it's own, but good for bulking out the fire. We have used just wood on our boiler stove and it worked fine although adding some coal for the really cold weather certainly helped.
This winter we are going to burn 80% stika spruce and the rest coal and a bit of turf when it turns up!!

13kw or 45,000btu boiler on the Erin.

Keep warm:D

Stove Fan:)

Surfn wrote: »

Stove Fan, how many rads along with the cooper cylinder will a clearview 750 with a 45,000 BTU boiler heat

It really depends on the size of the radiators.

If you measure your rads and say if they are double or single I will see if the clearview boiler is big enough:)

As an example it would run 5X 600mm x 1000 double radiators plus hot water.

Stove Fan:)