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The Joker movie - starring Joaquin Phoenix (MOD: May contain Spoilers)

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  • #252
    The White Wolf
    Registered Users Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    Not surprised because of the amount of hysteria that was getting drummed up on twitter, but it looks like the film may take a kicking amongst American critics based on the latest reviews being added. Still, plenty of praise in there to counter it. Ultimately though it looks like it's going to be yet another divisive effort.


  • #253
    PressRun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,196 ✭✭✭PressRun


    Reviews I'm reading seem to suggest a strong performance from Joaquin Phoenix, but little clarity on what exactly the film is trying to say about the Joker as a character or the society he's living in.


  • #254
    The White Wolf
    Registered Users Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    PressRun wrote: »
    Reviews I'm reading seem to suggest a strong performance from Joaquin Phoenix, but little clarity on what exactly the film is trying to say about the Joker as a character or the society he's living in.

    Yes that's also what I'm seeing, that or accusing the film of hollow self importance.

    It's going to be a long month. It's a shame that the film went to the Toronto Film Festival really. Venice was enough.


  • #255
    PressRun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,196 ✭✭✭PressRun


    The White Wolf wrote: »
    Yes that's also what I'm seeing, that or accusing the film of hollow self importance.

    It's going to be a long month. It's a shame that the film went to the Toronto Film Festival really. Venice was enough.

    I mean, it might be valid criticism. I haven't seen it so can't comment. It was always going to be a divisive premise and a hard one to get right, tonally, given the lack of background on the Joker and the fact that he was deliberately written to have unclear motivations in the past.

    I am still curious to see it myself though. I'm interested in all of Phoenix's work.


  • #256
    El Duda
    Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭El Duda


    King of Comedy is available to stream on Prime. Definitely one you need to see before Joker comes out imo.


  • #257
    MisterAnarchy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,250 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    El Duda wrote: »
    King of Comedy is available to stream on Prime. Definitely one you need to see before Joker comes out imo.

    Its a great film ,was decades ahead of its time and very relevant in the modern culture of reality tv and z list celebrities.


  • #258
    Claude Burgundy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,543 ✭✭✭Claude Burgundy


    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    Its a great film ,was decades ahead of its time and very relevant in the modern culture of reality tv and z list celebrities.

    100 %


  • #259
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,542 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    I just saw a TV spot for Joker on ITV HD tonight.


  • #260
    Slydice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Tracking to be well into profit territory after just the opening weekend:
    ‘Joker’ Is Wild On Tracking With $82M-$90M Projected Opening – Early Box Office Read
    https://deadline.com/2019/09/joker-box-office-opening-weekend-projections-1202732548/

    Wikipedia - Joker (2019 film)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joker_(2019_film)
    The film's final budget was $55 million, considered by The Hollywood Reporter "a fraction" of the typical budget for a comic book-based film


  • #261
    Shred
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    I see the IFI are doing 70mm shows exclusively, I haven't been in since the renovations so I think I'll be having a bit of that.


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  • #262
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,520 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Slydice wrote: »
    Tracking to be well into profit territory after just the opening weekend:
    ‘Joker’ Is Wild On Tracking With $82M-$90M Projected Opening – Early Box Office Read
    https://deadline.com/2019/09/joker-box-office-opening-weekend-projections-1202732548/

    Wikipedia - Joker (2019 film)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joker_(2019_film)

    Is Joaquin and Todd also producers?
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #263
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,542 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    IMAX Poster

    Joker-Official-Images-Imax-Poster-01.jpg?quality=80&strip=info&ssl=1


  • #264
    Slydice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Is Joaquin and Todd also producers?

    Only seeing Todd on IMDB:
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7286456/fullcredits/
    Richard Baratta ... executive producer
    Bruce Berman ... executive producer
    Jason Cloth ... executive producer
    Bradley Cooper ... producer
    Joseph Garner ... executive producer
    Aaron L. Gilbert ... executive producer
    Walter Hamada ... executive producer
    Todd Phillips ... producer
    Emma Tillinger Koskoff ... producer
    Michael E. Uslan ... executive producer
    David Webb ... co-producer


  • #265
    correction
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭correction


    If you took the big IMAX writing off that poster it has wall potential.


  • #266
    Shred
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    It just makes me wish we had a true IMAX screen here :(

    70mm tickets are now on sale in the IFI btw.


  • #267
    Electric Nitwit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,396 ✭✭✭✭Electric Nitwit


    Can someone help educate a dullard?
    What would be the advantage of the 70mm screening? I don't know much (or anything) about the techie side of cinema

    IFI wouldn't be that handy for us but I'd make the effort if it was worth it


  • #268
    El Duda
    Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭El Duda


    70mm = actually projected on film = better image. Clearer. Brighter. Higher resolution.



  • #269
    take everything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,807 ✭✭✭take everything


    Joaquin Phoenix is such an interesting actor.
    There's a real depth to the roles he plays.
    Can't wait to see this.


  • #270
    Slydice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    correction wrote: »
    If you took the big IMAX writing off that poster it has wall potential.

    Someone on twitter did it!


    https://twitter.com/CyberSheff/status/1174067223981412353

    Full size:
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=491143&stc=1&d=1568997340


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  • #271
    Uncle Charlie
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 200 ✭✭Uncle Charlie


    Shred wrote: »
    It just makes me wish we had a true IMAX screen here :(

    70mm tickets are now on sale in the IFI btw.


    70mm makes no sense when the Joker was shot on digital.


    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7286456/technical?ref_=tt_dt_spec


  • #272
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,520 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Slydice wrote: »
    Only seeing Todd on IMDB:
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7286456/fullcredits/

    Bradley Cooper a producer
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #273
    Slydice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Bradley Cooper a producer

    :eek: I didn't notice that!

    What a track record as producer!
    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0177896/
    2019/I Joker (producer)
    2018 A Star Is Born (producer - produced by, p.g.a.)
    2016 War Dogs (producer)
    2014 American Sniper (producer)


  • #274
    JP Liz V1
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    https://www.hotpress.com/film-tv/win-pair-tickets-irish-premiere-screening-joker-22789590

    Win tickets to the Irish Premiere on the 1st of October at 6.30pm at IMAX Cineworld
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #275
    Brief_Lives
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    https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-49816205

    Families of those killed while watching a Batman film in 2012 have written to Warner Bros with concerns about the new Joker film and urging the studio to join action against gun violence.

    Twelve people died in a cinema showing The Dark Knight Rises in Colorado.

    They included Jessica Ghawi, 24, whose mother Sandy Phillips told BBC News she was "horrified" by the Joker trailers.

    Warner Bros said the film - which stars Joaquin Phoenix - was not an endorsement of real-world violence.

    Phoenix walked out of a recent interview when asked about the issue.

    Sandy Phillips and her husband, Lonnie, who run Survivors Empowered, an anti-gun violence group, wrote to Warner Bros along with three others whose relatives were killed, injured or caught up in the 2012 shooting.

    Speaking to BBC News, Mrs Phillips said: "When I first saw the trailers of the movie, I was absolutely horrified.

    "And then when I dug a little deeper and found out that it had such unnecessary violence in the movie, it just chilled me to my bones.

    "It just makes me angry that a major motion picture company isn't taking responsibility and doesn't have the concern of the public at all."

    such a joke of a country.. we have the same access to these comics and movies and you don´t see this gun violence happening outside of America....


  • #276
    RocketRaccoon
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    These are the kinds of people who blame video games for kids shooting up schools.

    What happened was obviously dreadful but cop on, don't blame the movie or the production company.


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  • #277
    tastyt
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    Mental country

    Blame everything other than easy access to guns for gun violence.

    Damn comic books. It would be very hard to beat someone to death with one though. Mass comic book beating massacre !!


  • #278
    The White Wolf
    Registered Users Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    I saw that reviews from a French film screening were very positive so hopefully the US reaction is just going to be its own weird bubble. But of course in Ireland and the UK at least, you'll get a couple of people picking up the American narrative.

    The Colorado shooter's claim that he was inspired by The Joker was laughed at by the judge at the time from what I gather. It looks to me like the families are using the film to promote gun reform which I suppose is fine in itself, but the issue will be with the media and how they're already presenting it.

    As I seen some person eloquently put it earlier I just want to watch a film.


  • #279
    brevity
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,587 ✭✭✭brevity


    Tickets for this are on sale on the Omiplex website


  • #280
    Shred
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    Uncle Charlie wrote: »
    70mm makes no sense when the Joker was shot on digital.


    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7286456/technical?ref_=tt_dt_spec

    'Blow-up' prints from digital masters aren't uncommon. Perhaps the end result would be better if taken from a 35mm print but you'd would imagine there's still gains to be made otherwise why bother?


  • #281
    kerplun k
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    I’d lob a valid criticism at the over aggressive response from some sectors of the internet (mainly Twitter) defending the “film”. The fact is no ones actually seen it, so this is all based on a 2.5 minute trailer.

    Accusations of it inciting violence or those trying to aggressively defend is complete horse sh*t.

    Both sides are attention seeking morons and should be largely ignored.


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  • #282
    murphyebass
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    El Duda wrote: »
    70mm = actually projected on film = better image. Clearer. Brighter. Higher resolution.


    He’s probably right (I’ve no idea) but he comes across nuts in anything he says. Mad as a fcukin hatter he is.

    Makes great films though to be fair.


  • #283
    The White Wolf
    Registered Users Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    kerplun k wrote: »
    I’d lob a valid criticism at the over aggressive response from some sectors of the internet (mainly Twitter) defending the “film”. The fact is no ones actually seen it, so this is all based on a 2.5 minute trailer.

    Accusations of it inciting violence or those trying to aggressively defend is complete horse sh*t.

    Both sides are attention seeking morons and should be largely ignored.

    To be honest I haven't seen anyone try to aggressively defend the film. Maybe on Twitter but generally on message boards people are just pissed off about how the film has been hijacked for political purposes.

    I don't usually have much time for John Campea but I liked his take on this film; you could literally take any work of modern violent fiction and make a stand on it. Joker has been chosen as the scapegoat.

    Again this isn't defending the film; I really like Phoenix but based on what I've seen I'm not sure I will love the interpretation. But if it's a bad film then it stops there for me. Anyone who tries to make more of it is as you say, just out for the spotlight and platform.


  • #284
    Jurgen The German
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭Jurgen The German


    Caught an early screening of JOKER last night and holy ****, what a movie. The TAXI DRIVER / KING OF COMEDY inspiration is obvious, but it also boasts some serious DEATH WISH vibes, and feels like the riskiest mainstream film since NATURAL BORN KILLERS.

    Comments from someone in a FB group I'm in.


  • #285
    Greyfox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Brief_Lives wrote: »
    They included Jessica Ghawi, 24, whose mother Sandy Phillips told BBC News she was "horrified" by the Joker trailers...

    Speaking to BBC News, Mrs Phillips said: "When I first saw the trailers of the movie, I was absolutely horrified.

    "And then when I dug a little deeper and found out that it had such unnecessary violence in the movie, it just chilled me to my bones.

    "It just makes me angry that a major motion picture company isn't taking responsibility and doesn't have the concern of the public at all."[/I]

    such a joke of a country.. we have the same access to these comics and movies and you don´t see this gun violence happening outside of America....

    The world is full of really silly people. How does she know the violence is unnecessary if she's just watched the trailer?
    Also the "you don´t see this gun violence happening outside of America" is proof its an issue with american gun laws and nothing to do with films

    I can't wait for this film, it looks amazing


  • #286
    [Deleted User]
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    Brief_Lives wrote: »
    https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-49816205

    Families of those killed while watching a Batman film in 2012 have written to Warner Bros with concerns about the new Joker film and urging the studio to join action against gun violence.

    Twelve people died in a cinema showing The Dark Knight Rises in Colorado.

    They included Jessica Ghawi, 24, whose mother Sandy Phillips told BBC News she was "horrified" by the Joker trailers.

    Warner Bros said the film - which stars Joaquin Phoenix - was not an endorsement of real-world violence.

    Phoenix walked out of a recent interview when asked about the issue.

    Sandy Phillips and her husband, Lonnie, who run Survivors Empowered, an anti-gun violence group, wrote to Warner Bros along with three others whose relatives were killed, injured or caught up in the 2012 shooting.

    Speaking to BBC News, Mrs Phillips said: "When I first saw the trailers of the movie, I was absolutely horrified.

    "And then when I dug a little deeper and found out that it had such unnecessary violence in the movie, it just chilled me to my bones.

    "It just makes me angry that a major motion picture company isn't taking responsibility and doesn't have the concern of the public at all."

    such a joke of a country.. we have the same access to these comics and movies and you don´t see this gun violence happening outside of America....

    You'd swear this was the first violent movie that came out since the 2012 shooting.

    I'm sorry for her loss but there is nothing to link this film and TDKR.


  • #287
    The White Wolf
    Registered Users Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    Military and police forces have been alerted to be vigilant now in America.

    A British screening has now mostly gained rave reviews.


  • #288
    conorhal
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    The White Wolf wrote: »
    Military and police forces have been alerted to be vigilant now in America.

    A British screening has now mostly gained rave reviews.


    Everybody loves a good moral panic!



    https://www.thewrap.com/joker-director-todd-phillips-rebuffs-criticism-of-dark-tone-we-didnt-make-the-movie-to-push-buttons-exclusive/


    “I think it’s because outrage is a commodity, I think it’s something that has been a commodity for a while,” he said. “What’s outstanding to me in this discourse in this movie is how easily the far left can sound like the far right when it suits their agenda. It’s really been eye opening for me.”

    - Todd Phillips


  • #289
    The White Wolf
    Registered Users Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    Aye I've notice Philips has been on the attack this week! Fair play to him but he'd probably be better off staying quiet. Then again more fuel to the fire might be a good thing.

    Can't imagine that far left comment going down well!


  • #290
    Calhoun
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    The White Wolf wrote: »
    Aye I've notice Philips has been on the attack this week! Fair play to him but he'd probably be better off staying quiet. Then again more fuel to the fire might be a good thing.

    Can't imagine that far left comment going down well!

    The funny thing is, the movie was flying completely below the radar before all the kerfuffle.

    From anyone that has seen it, what is the verdict? Worth watching?


  • #291
    Dyr
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    Calhoun wrote: »
    The funny thing is, the movie was flying completely below the radar before all the kerfuffle.

    From anyone that has seen it, what is the verdict? Worth watching?

    The reception it received in Venice is flying under the radar? :confused:


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  • #292
    Calhoun
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    Bambi wrote: »
    The reception it received in Venice is flying under the radar? :confused:

    I mean't before that and the reaction to it.


  • #293
    homerun_homer
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    I'm gutted I can't see this on opening weekend for a couple of reasons, so I started entering competitions left, right and center for tomorrow's preview. As I was driving home yesterday I got my gf to text an answer to a radio station for their comp, she missed the callback a few minutes later. :(
    Calhoun wrote: »
    I mean't before that and the reaction to it.

    The internet was lighting up every time Todd Philips posted a behind the scenes picture of Joaquin in costume and make up. That combined with the anticipation for a Joker standalone movie with that cast can hardly be thought of as flying under the radar.


  • #294
    Calhoun
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    homerun_homer wrote: »
    The internet was lighting up every time Todd Philips posted a behind the scenes picture of Joaquin in costume and make up. That combined with the anticipation for a Joker standalone movie with that cast can hardly be thought of as flying under the radar.

    Must have just been me/my group of friends, we would be fairly casual when it comes to the whole comic book series though. Would have put it down as just another DC film if not for all the publicity around it recently.


  • #295
    Drumpot
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    Going to this on Friday , really looking forward to it.

    I wonder did critics judge it on the “think about the children” supposedly glorifying crime element. The audience score is holding up over 9/10 which is a fair old jump from critics 7/10.


  • #296
    The White Wolf
    Registered Users Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Going to this on Friday , really looking forward to it.

    I wonder did critics judge it on the “think about the children” supposedly glorifying crime element. The audience score is holding up over 9/10 which is a fair old jump from critics 7/10.

    I think RT opened their gates to hundreds of new critics, many of them in reality just bloggers. With that they opened the floodgates on every type of angle in which one can come with when criticising a film.

    The criticism seems to be a combination of think of the children and identity politics in the US. Outside of the US and Canada, everywhere else in the world that has had screenings there's been mostly praise.


  • #297
    pixelburp
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    In slim defence of the moral outrage over this movie, there is something of a legitimate context for these predominantly American worries; the so-called "incel" and/or White Nationalist movements are on the uptick over there, with some (of the many, many) mass shootings revolving around these fringe groups, tangentially or otherwise. And if it's not domestic terrorism, then you have the likes of the "Proud Boys" and their ilk being intentionally hostile agitators, under the thin guise of "freedom of speech". The American cultural landscape has become an ugly, incendiary place, spilling into actual violence.

    So while I don't subscribe to this idea of Hollywood films causing or encouraging these things - it's patent rubbish, in a long line of moral panics ala the VHS nasties of the 1980s, the Dark Knight et al (heck, even Taken caused some Americans to worry about their kids being kidnapped in Paris) - I do understand where it's coming from.


  • #298
    Sleepy
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    Mrs Sleepy won tickets to tonight's premier over the weekend. Looking forward to it and will post my thoughts tomorrow.


  • #299
    Dyr
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    pixelburp wrote: »
    In slim defence of the moral outrage over this movie, there is something of a legitimate context for these predominantly American worries; the so-called "incel" and/or White Nationalist movements are on the uptick over there, with some (of the many, many) mass shootings revolving around these fringe groups, tangentially or otherwise. And if it's not domestic terrorism, then you have the likes of the "Proud Boys" and their ilk being intentionally hostile agitators, under the thin guise of "freedom of speech". The American cultural landscape has become an ugly, incendiary place, spilling into actual violence.

    So while I don't subscribe to this idea of Hollywood films causing or encouraging these things - it's patent rubbish, in a long line of moral panics ala the VHS nasties of the 1980s, the Dark Knight et al (heck, even Taken caused some Americans to worry about their kids being kidnapped in Paris) - I do understand where it's coming from.

    Moral panics are bad unless I approve of them

    Mad stuff altogether


  • #300
    PressRun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,196 ✭✭✭PressRun


    pixelburp wrote: »
    In slim defence of the moral outrage over this movie, there is something of a legitimate context for these predominantly American worries; the so-called "incel" and/or White Nationalist movements are on the uptick over there, with some (of the many, many) mass shootings revolving around these fringe groups, tangentially or otherwise. And if it's not domestic terrorism, then you have the likes of the "Proud Boys" and their ilk being intentionally hostile agitators, under the thin guise of "freedom of speech". The American cultural landscape has become an ugly, incendiary place, spilling into actual violence.

    So while I don't subscribe to this idea of Hollywood films causing or encouraging these things - it's patent rubbish, in a long line of moral panics ala the VHS nasties of the 1980s, the Dark Knight et al (heck, even Taken caused some Americans to worry about their kids being kidnapped in Paris) - I do understand where it's coming from.

    There's definitely an element of people seeing it through a different lens depending on where they come from.


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  • #301
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Bambi wrote: »
    Moral panics are bad unless I approve of them

    Mad stuff altogether

    Did you even actually read my post? Show me the line where I said I approved. I literally say in the second para you quoted that moral panics are always rubbish, and was trying to contextualise where this particular one is coming from.
    :rolleyes:


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