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Post Tropical Storm Helene 17/18 Sep 2018

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,859 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


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    NHC
    774
    WTNT43 KNHC 141441
    TCDAT3

    Tropical Storm Helene Discussion Number 29
    NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL082018
    1100 AM AST Fri Sep 14 2018

    Conventional satellite imagery and a 1147 UTC METOP-B AMSU
    microwave image show a deep convective curved band wrapping around
    the surface circulation in the west semicircle. Additionally, a
    recent 1148 UTC ASCAT-B scatterometer pass indicates that Helene is
    a little stronger than earlier estimated. The data showed a number
    of 60 kt winds in the northeast quadrant. Based on these data,
    Helene is still classified as a tropical cyclone, and the initial
    intensity is bumped up to 60 kt for this advisory.

    The large-scale models and the statistical intensity guidance
    indicate little change in strength during the next 36 hours or so.
    After that time, some gradual weakening is forecast as Helene
    completes extratropical transition while passing just to the north
    of the Azores Islands. The ECMWF, UKMET, and the CMC all show
    Helene absorbed by a larger baroclinic system just beyond the 72
    hour period, as the cyclone moves over Ireland and the United
    Kingdom.

    The initial motion is estimated to be northward, or 010/20 kt,
    within the deep-layer southerly flow produced by a mid-tropospheric
    trough to the west. A north-northeast to northeast turn is expected
    over the weekend as the cyclone quickly moves within the
    mid-latitude westerlies. Only a slight adjustment to the left of
    the previous track forecast was made through 48 hours. The NHC
    official forecast is based primarily on the TVCN multi-model
    consensus.

    An orange wind warning is in effect for the Azores, equivalent to a
    tropical storm warning. Tropical Storm conditions with gusty winds
    and heavy rains are likely over the weekend as Helene passes the
    islands, regardless of whether the cyclone is a tropical storm or
    post-tropical.

    Helene is expected to be a post-tropical cyclone when it approaches
    Ireland and the United Kingdom in a few days. Interests in those
    locations should consult products from their local meteorological
    service for information about potential impacts from Helene. Local
    forecasts and warnings for the UK can be found on the website of the
    UK Met Office at https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/. Local forecasts
    and warnings for Ireland can be found on the website of Met Eireann
    at https://www.met.ie/.

    FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

    INIT 14/1500Z 32.9N 36.3W 60 KT 70 MPH
    12H 15/0000Z 35.5N 35.5W 60 KT 70 MPH
    24H 15/1200Z 38.4N 33.4W 55 KT 65 MPH
    36H 16/0000Z 40.7N 30.0W 50 KT 60 MPH
    48H 16/1200Z 42.7N 25.7W 50 KT 60 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
    72H 17/1200Z 47.4N 16.1W 50 KT 60 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
    96H 18/1200Z...ABSORBED BY FRONT

    $$
    Forecaster Roberts


    Becoming absorbed but would still seem to pack a fair punch depending on track.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,859 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    So a lot of models saying that down here in Cork City we could be hit pretty badly similar to ophelia.

    So that gurantees me going to my summer home tomorrow then and bringing in the table and stuff. Directly across from the ocean.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,526 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    South coast will need to be aware of storm swell, based on the current timings the strongest winds would probably coincide with a high tide. Though it's the lower of the high tides of the month at least.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,546 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    This will be the biggest flop since Florence :P


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,024 ✭✭✭irishrover99


    This will be the biggest flop since Florence :P

    You started the thread so 😜


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,526 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    This will be the biggest flop since Florence :P


    Blame the eejit who started the thread :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,993 ✭✭✭squarecircles


    what we really need is Gaoth Laidir,to piss all over the charts,to finish this off all together.;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,304 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Prodston


    Apologies if this is the wrong place to ask such a question but I'm going to ask anyway :o

    I'm flying from Toronto to Dublin on Monday night, would this kind of thing possibly cause any issues for getting home?


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,526 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    what we really need is Gaoth Laidir,to piss all over the charts,to finish this off all together.;)


    Something something...orange alert...something something...piss all over....something something...Trump...


    There's still life in this thread, I think we'll get an Orange alert at the least out of a fair number of counties.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭Reckless Abandonment


    what we really need is Gaoth Laidir,to piss all over the charts,to finish this off all together.;)

    He'll spot a patch of warmer water next to the Azores that will effect the upper troposphere which will in turn change the ice sheet over Greenland.... and boom... nothing more than a wet day :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,987 ✭✭✭Artane2002


    what we really need is Gaoth Laidir,to piss all over the charts,to finish this off all together.;)

    That might have been my favourite part of reading the winter thread whenever we got northwesterlies :p .

    (I also enjoyed watching lots of people spelling Ophelia wrong last year)


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Apologies if this is the wrong place to ask such a question but I'm going to ask anyway :o

    I'm flying from Toronto to Dublin on Monday night, would this kind of thing possibly cause any issues for getting home?

    Don't think so. You should be fine, but be aware of how you travel from Dublin to your final destination.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,362 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    The maps I am seeing today would suggest only isolated orange alert conditions and generally a yellow alert outcome. It would not take a large adjustment to change this into a more damaging scenario but at the moment I would say more like a typical autumn gale than Ophelia 2.0, in particular for Cork, not quite as intense on approach. You may recall that Ophelia was still producing wind gusts close to 200 km/hr on its approach to 50 N. So for the time being I think we are good with this yellow alert tag, if you live in a particularly exposed location between Cork and Kildare that's wide open to southerly winds, you could be marginally orange alert.

    Will be interesting to see what the 00z model suite brings us, there's plenty of time for this to get stronger or for that matter, weaker or on a more easterly, less windy for Ireland outcome.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,904 ✭✭✭cian1500ww


    18Z GFS:

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,127 ✭✭✭pad199207


    I don’t suppose we will see anything near a warning as this for Helene,

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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,546 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    There has been a bit of an upgrade in potential impacts on ICON, GFS and UKMO 00z runs.

    Latest National Hurricane Center guidance also goes along with this to some extent.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,859 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    ECM bringing the center of the storm further W on the latest run bringing more of the stronger winds over the S, SE and E initially. Gusting to about 110 to 115 in coastal counties atm maybe touching 120 km/h, probably more widespread gusting to 80 km/h. Fast moving system . Strong winds following early Tues morning into the SW, W, NW. Track has been changing now the last few runs, trending more S to N route up over the country.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,859 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    On average I would have thought that the strongest winds in the S, SE and E atm. An average gusting to 120 km/h on coasts, maybe gusting to 100 km/h inland in these areas.

    Will go down to the wire. Tweaks over the next few runs.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,859 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    ARPEGE might be a good average of the strongest winds at present.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,993 ✭✭✭squarecircles


    the latest from Met Eireann.


    Present indications are that, ex tropical storm 'Helene' will push northwards
    over Ireland on Monday night.
    Consequently Monday night will be very disturbed with widespread heavy
    rain and gales. It may turn stormy in places for a time with severe gusts
    and localized flooding.


    Winds will ease somewhat, and Tuesday will be cloudy with frequent showers
    while staying very blustery.

    It'll stay very unsettled through Wednesday and Thursday also with frequent
    spells of rain, and a potential for further sizable amounts. Winds predominantly
    from the southwest will often be strong.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    I can’t see a red alert on coming but orange possible ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,024 ✭✭✭irishrover99


    Very disturbed is an unusual choice of word to use in the weather.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    We have a gale here now. southerly. Rehearsal?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,939 ✭✭✭goat2


    westerly winds 50-80 km/hr by afternoon and increasing again to southwest 70-110 km/hr by evening as another front arrives. Lows 12 to 14 C and highs 17 to 19 C. )

    Above is MT,s forecast for southwest on Tuesday , Not looking forward to this


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,904 ✭✭✭cian1500ww


    6Z GFS moving the path a little more west compared to last nights run but not as far west as the ECM, center looks to pass over Dublin in this one:

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    cian1500ww wrote: »
    6Z GFS moving the path a little more west compared to last nights run but not as far west as the ECM, center looks to pass over Dublin in this one:

    One burning question....will it give us a day off?? :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 746 ✭✭✭Cork981


    One burning question....will it give us a day off?? :)

    It would take a red alert to even consider getting shutting things down and this is barely an orange alert so I’d say unlikely.

    Unless you work in a highly exposed area near a big drop :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,416 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Any one with a view as to whether we are going to get regular arrivals of ex-hurricanes from the South from now on?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 594 ✭✭✭mac.in


    amandstu wrote: »
    Any one with a view as to whether we are going to get regular arrivals of ex-hurricanes from the South from now on?


    Worried about hurricanes themselves arriving.


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