Peter Casey's beliefs of Travellers' ethnicity Part II

end of the road · 04-11-2018 8:18pm

tretorn wrote: »

The insurance companies are getting to grips with false personal injury claims and no prizes for guessing which members of our community are over represented in personal injuries claims.

Its about time the Insurance companies tackled this problem because its us fools who payy insurance and road tax who have been funding these payouts.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/court-directs-60k-fraudulent-insurance-claim-be-reported-to-garda%C3%AD-1.3291459

https://www.thesun.ie/news/2768170/julieanne-joyce-taxi-claim-thrown-out/

they are trying to deal with the problem. there is only so much they can do.

tretorn wrote: »

Its all part of the culture

really? are you sure about that? i haven't saw anything to show that this is a part of traveler culture.

tretorn wrote: »

and the Gardai dont have the expertise or the manpower to prosecute fraudsters.

they don't have the manpower, but they do have the expertese to prosecute fraudsters. they do it regularly i'd imagine.

tretorn wrote: »

There should be a dedicated unit set up within the Gardai to deal with these people even if its funded by the insurance companies themselves. I would have no problem in paying extra for car insurance if it meant people would be prosecuted for these crimes.

the gardai have a dedicated fraud unit i thought. if you want one specifically for insurence fraud or travelers then it's not going to happen.

end of the road · 04-11-2018 8:20pm

Based and Red Pilled wrote: »

Well the travellers could be stop being so entitled as to turn down free houses. We might hate them less if they did.

i'd doubt it. i have a feeling that you would hate them regardless. turning down non-free but subsidized houses is not a traveler specific issue.

end of the road · 04-11-2018 8:21pm

tretorn wrote: »

Thats exactly it and in the Tipperary horse and house case the travellers said they never asked for the houses. They dont want inclusivity,they want local authorities to buy sites for them so they can live with their personally chosen extended clan beside them. They will bring up their children in filth and squalor rather than live beside someone they dont want to be beside. Giving them ethnic status only led to less understanding on their behalf about how unreasonable they are.

on what basis do you assert that "Giving them ethnic status only led to less understanding on their behalf about how unreasonable they are"
and on what basis do you state that they are unreasonable?

tretorn wrote: »

I wonder will Tubridy make any reference on his radio show tomorrow to the criticism he got on twitter over his totally biased interview with Peter Casey.

As a very unwilling licence fee payer to RTE I would like management to review that interview and call Tubridy to account over it.

no as there was nothing byassed about that interview. being challenged isn't byass. there is nothing to review, nothing to call tuberty to account for here.

tretorn wrote: »

I would expect RTE management to do their job without having to be asked by people who directly pay their wages.

If RTE management having read the twitter criticism and having watched Tubridys petulant childish behaviour still dont think there is cause for concern then RTE is no longer an objective professional broadcaster.

how so. sometimes there is nothing that is a cause for concern, nothing that needs action taken against it. casey being unable to answer a question he was asked is nothing to do with tuberty or rte or byass. he simply had no answers so waffled his way through.

tretorn wrote: »

Isnt the bit bolded in your post the whole point of the thread, everyone except the travellers are just living their lives beside their neighbours and getting on with it. They arent moaning about discrimination and looking for ethnic status, they are too busy working and paying bills and doing their best to get their children educated, they havent the time to be navel gazing about their ethnicity and nor do they have paid organisations like Pavee Point to indulge their whining.

that's not the point of the thread from what i can see. discrimination is a very real issue for the traveling community whether you like it or not, and an ethnic status as they are an ethnic minority, insures greater protections for what is a margionalised community. that is why they have an organisation to represent them. if you want an organisation to represent you, then go ahead and set one up.

end of the road · 04-11-2018 8:22pm

retro:electro wrote: »

I take it you never read/watched The Butcher Boy.

no but i'm not sure what it has to do with francie?

Roger Hassenforder · 04-11-2018 8:31pm

end of the road wrote: »

i'd doubt it. i have a feeling that you would hate them regardless. turning down non-free but subsidized houses is not a traveler specific issue.

I have to ask.
How are they not free?

Or, if as you say "subsidised", who is the other party along with the state funding these houses?

FrancieBrady · 04-11-2018 8:31pm

end of the road wrote: »

no but i'm not sure what it has to do with francie?

Francie Brady is the main character in the book.

My favourite Irish novel, about a child who the neighbours/townsfolk cannot get past their prejudices about. He eventually looses his mind and kills one of them.

Panch18 · 04-11-2018 8:35pm

end of the road wrote: »

deliberately burning a house to the ground is a criminal offence.

You need to get out and see what is being done to halting sites and houses by travellers around the country.

They are nothing short of a disgrace. And it is not 1 particular family or 1 particular halting site/housing estate, it’s the majority of them

Yer Da sells Avon · 04-11-2018 8:38pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Has Casey or any Caseyites got solutions to the obvious problems in the travelling community. Problems nobody is denying exist. Including tavellers representative groups themselves.

Anyone got practical solutions?

Deleted User wrote: »

Integration!

That's not how you spell education!

And education doesn't just mean forcing travellers to send their kids to school - it means spending bucket-loads of cash on extra supports for children (and not just traveller children) whose parents, due to their own lack of education, aren't in a position to provide sufficient support themselves.

Then there's the suicide problem - something that doesn't get mentioned much by those who hate travellers. Male travellers are far more likely to go to prison than the rest of the population. They're also far more likely to kill themselves. Could it be that the threat of prison poses very little fear when you couldn't really care less whether you live or die anyway? I've no idea how that problem could be solved, but I suspect a lot of it comes back to education, or lack thereof.

Housing is another one - oh no, free houses, etc, but how can someone hope to get an education when they're being moved from pillar to post for their whole childhood?

Roger Hassenforder · 04-11-2018 8:39pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

That's not how you spell education!

And education doesn't just mean forcing travellers to send their kids to school - it means spending bucket-loads of cash on extra supports for children (and not just traveller children) whose parents, due to their own lack of education, aren't in a position to provide sufficient support themselves.

Then there's the suicide problem - something that doesn't get mentioned much by those who hate travellers. Male travellers are far more likely to go to prison than the rest of the population. They're also far more likely to kill themselves. Could it be that the threat of prison poses very little fear when you couldn't really care less whether you live or die anyway? I've no idea how that problem could be solved, but I suspect a lot of it comes back to education, or lack thereof.

Housing is another one - oh no, free houses, etc, but how can someone hope to get an education when they're being moved from pillar to post for their whole childhood?

Education is critical.

green shoots · 04-11-2018 8:43pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Then there's the suicide problem - something that doesn't get mentioned much by those who hate travellers. Male travellers are far more likely to go to prison than the rest of the population. They're also far more likely to kill themselves. Could it be that the threat of prison poses very little fear when you couldn't really care less whether you live or die anyway? I've no idea how that problem could be solved, but I suspect a lot of it comes back to education, or lack thereof.

Housing is another one - oh no, free houses, etc, but how can someone hope to get an education when they're being moved from pillar to post for their whole childhood?

In fairness, they seem to live in a very narrow minded way, if you were gay or wanted to go to college or something or didn't like fighting or maybe didn't want to join in on criminal activities you're going to have a hard time fitting in in the traveller community. No wonder so many of them take their own lives. That's their own fault though, so I find it hard to really sympathise.
Education isn't their jam, so that's going to restrict them in many ways. Why should we have to pay for social workers to go in and literally drag the kids to school every day? They need leaders from their own community to get kids educated because so far the only people who seem to care about that are non travellers. It seems to be quite a toxic culture - 85% of traveller women have been phsyically abused by their partner. Hardly a nice environment for any of them to live in, but they don't seem to want to change. If they didn't impose on the rest of our lives I wouldn't care, leave them to it living in squalor and killing themselves, but they rubbish the countryside and are heavily involved in crime, so something needs to be done.

Captain Obvious · 04-11-2018 8:44pm

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Education is critical.

Didn't the ones on the Late Late all have third level?

mfceiling · 04-11-2018 8:48pm

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Didn't the ones on the Late Late all have third level?

Yep...all 2 of them.

givyjoe · 04-11-2018 8:49pm

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Didn't the ones on the Late Late all have third level?

Considering the drivel that both spoke, particularly the lad, id be questioning how much they were attending.

end of the road · 04-11-2018 8:51pm

retro:electro wrote: »

Ugh.

ugh what? you can't expect me to know everything to be fair.

Based and Red Pilled wrote: »

I sometimes wonder if you are autistic since you seem to take things so literally.

good for you. unsure what it has to do with peter casey though. i doubt he cares what a random poster on a forum thinks of another random poster.

Based and Red Pilled wrote: »

Imaging being such an entitled twat as to turn turn down free houses because you didn't get a stable and free land?

they did turn down subsidized housing. i'm not exactly jumping for joy over it myself but i'm not complaining over it either. i have better things to worry and complain about.

Yer Da sells Avon · 04-11-2018 8:52pm

Based and Red Pilled wrote: »

That's funny because I know you're angry at how much rent you have to pay but there's no chance of you getting a free house, is there?

Omackeral, I think we've got another one!

Rent is what it is - might as well be angry about the weather. Whatever I'm paying, doesn't take away from the fact that more social housing needs to be built.

Panch18 · 04-11-2018 8:55pm

end of the road wrote: »

ugh what? you can't expect me to know everything to be fair.

good for you. unsure what it has to do with peter casey though. i doubt he cares what a random poster on a forum thinks of another random poster.

they did turn down subsidized housing. i'm not exactly jumping for joy over it myself but i'm not complaining over it either. i have better things to worry and complain about.

FREE housing - not subsidised.

Redneck Culchie · 04-11-2018 8:55pm

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Didn't the ones on the Late Late all have third level?

I think that exposed another issue in Irish society. The absolute collapse in standards in Irish colleges and universities. Not much different to the Leaving Cert many years ago.

Spanish Eyes · 04-11-2018 8:56pm

mfceiling wrote: »

Yep...all 2 of them.

Sorry now, there was absolutely nothing wrong with their loud mouthy voices repeating the same thing over and over again expecting a different result, even though they were just shouting AT the man, no questioning at all.

It seems to be what they can do best, shout and roar for their rights. Never a mention of responsibilities though.

That Pavee Point should be starved of grants now. It is totally useless. The only word they seem to be able to use is "Racist" even though we all know we are all equal and of the Irish race anyway.

Too many excuses being made for Travellers. They need to help themselves at some point instead of expecting everyone else to do it for them, and if it doesn't work out well then the R word or Discrimination comes out. Victims the lot of them. Well in their minds anyway.

FrancieBrady · 04-11-2018 9:01pm

What is Casey's education record because he doesn't strike me as very intellectually bright or articulate, in fact, his articulation approaches the bizarre at times.

Roger Hassenforder · 04-11-2018 9:02pm

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Didn't the ones on the Late Late all have third level?

Graduates?

nullzero · 04-11-2018 9:04pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Sorry now, there was absolutely nothing wrong with their loud mouthy voices repeating the same thing over and over again expecting a different result, even though they were just shouting AT the man, no questioning at all.

It seems to be what they can do best, shout and roar for their rights. Never a mention of responsibilities though.

That Pavee Point should be starved of grants now. It is totally useless. The only word they seem to be able to use is "Racist" even though we all know we are all equal and of the Irish race anyway.

Too many excuses being made for Travellers. They need to help themselves at some point instead of expecting everyone else to do it for them, and if it doesn't work out well then the R word or Discrimination comes out. Victims the lot of them. Well in their minds anyway.

A lot of the travellers I've dealt with love crying racism, I've been accused of it(I've never given them the satisfaction of using slurs against them) and seen the same travellers calling black people n*ggers and monkeys.

end of the road · 04-11-2018 9:05pm

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

I have to ask.
How are they not free?

Or, if as you say "subsidised", who is the other party along with the state funding these houses?

the state pays a contribution, and the other party (the tenant) must come up with the rest. the amounts will vary in terms of income.

Panch18 wrote: »

You need to get out and see what is being done to halting sites and houses by travellers around the country.

They are nothing short of a disgrace. And it is not 1 particular family or 1 particular halting site/housing estate, it’s the majority of them

the majority of them? are you sure about that?
i'm very much aware what is being done in some sites by some travelers and the authorities must deal with them. a majority by a majority of travelers, well i'm afraid i haven't saw anything to show that to be the case.

Panch18 wrote: »

FREE housing - not subsidised.

for it to be free, neither party would be paying rent on it. if rent is paid, and the tenant is obligated to pay a contribution toards the rent with the government paying the rest, then it is subsidized.

Based and Red Pilled wrote: »

Funny how you're suddenly displaying such a fatalistic attitude towards rent. You're usually quite angry at landlords and having to give them money.

Just think, if you'd been born the correct ethnitcy you'd have a free house but instead you have to hand over a good chunk of your income every month to a private landlord.

you are aware it's not just travelers in social/subsidized accommodation?

FrancieBrady · 04-11-2018 9:05pm

Depends on what metric you use to assess that. He doesn't strike me as happy and contented after what seems an up and down business life.
Seems to have something to prove to himself or his mother.

nullzero · 04-11-2018 9:07pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Depends on what metric you use to assess that. He doesn't strike me as happy and contented after what seems an up and down business life.
Seems to have something to prove to himself or his mother.

Very Freudian...

Roger Hassenforder · 04-11-2018 9:08pm

end of the road wrote: »

the state pays a contribution, and the other party (the tenant) must come up with the rest. the amounts will vary in terms of income.

And where does the rest come from?

Spanish Eyes · 04-11-2018 9:08pm

Plenty of Travellers with no education or good parenting seem to have made a lot of money though!. Casey may or may not have had a formal education to LC. but them were the days and it didn't matter so much back in the day when kids left school at 13, like my own father who ended up a very successful businessman bless him.

Many wealthy business people have little third level education. Some people are just not academic, and they use the skills they have in other ways.

Attending secondary school to LC is paramount though. After that choices can be made. Travellers do not seem to put any value on Secondary education though. Sad really.

givyjoe · 04-11-2018 9:08pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Depends on what metric you use to assess that. He doesn't strike me as happy and contented after what seems an up and down business life.
Seems to have something to prove to himself or his mother.

Please do tell us on what metric you have done better! Priceless.

goat2 · 04-11-2018 9:09pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What is Casey's education record because he doesn't strike me as very intellectually bright or articulate, in fact, his articulation approaches the bizarre at times.

The best business people in this country, never stepped inside 3rd level education, the just left home and worked their way up ,
As Casey himself said, he worked 7 days a week long hours, this is how he got to where he is,
You only get out of something, if you put into something

Roger Hassenforder · 04-11-2018 9:09pm

nullzero wrote: »

Very Freudian...

Potentially Sophoclesian

nullzero · 04-11-2018 9:12pm

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Potentially Sophoclesian

Only if he stabs his eyes out.

FrancieBrady · 04-11-2018 9:13pm

givyjoe wrote: »

Please do tell us on what metric you have done better! Priceless.

I don't need to demean anyone to get ahead. Not in my nature and very contented with that facet of Francie.
Not saying I have done better, but success in business would be way down my list of judging success at life. Many wealthy business people are abhorrent, quite ill people IMO.

Just interested in what drives already wealthy and secure people.

end of the road · 04-11-2018 9:13pm

tretorn wrote: »

Its easy enough to burn homes of the deceased when the taxpayer is providing these homes.
The council built lovely bungalows in Nutgrove for travellers and one by one these houses were boarded up. I wonder were some set on fire.

Is one module of the proposed traveller culture taught in school to be in relation to deliberate arson.

is it? it is against the law to deliberately set fire to a house. whether the person living in it owns it, rents it privately from a landlord, or is in social/subsidized housing. as it absolutely should be

tretorn wrote: »

The Irish travellers with their usual scamming are active in Australia and are giving decent Irish emigrants a bad name.
The Australian police have put their mugs online in an effort to protect Australian citizens, the Australians would have no truck with ethic minorities lame ass excuses.
The Australians are lucky though, they can deport the “travellers” back to us and make sure they never go Down Under again.

If traveller crime was deslt with effectively here the Gardai would be in control. The Gardai are hampered in their efforts because of PC nonsense. If the ethnic minority are so proud of their status then why are the media so shy about naming criminal travellers as just gangs, apply their hard won ethnic status to them.

RTE and that muppet on half a million euros had the chsnce on zfriday to acknowledge rural peoples fear of travellers, francie and company belittling these fears by saying, sure, they are a minority in relation to thise eho vited for MD is denying democracy. Michael D left it late to say he was running again, he had nothing to show for his seven year term, he didnt have audited accounts of his spending, he got a completely easy ride from the media so of course it was going to be difficult to unseat him.

Many people also voted for him thinking he is going to get a pension and if we elect someone else to be as useless as him thats a full salary and s pension, cheaper to just leave him wandering around the Aras penning verse.

Peter Casey achieved a remarkable share of the vote and travellers need to take responsibility for that rather than wallowing in victimhood.

the gardai are hampered in their efforts by the lack of resources. "pc rabel rabel" doesn't stop them from enforcing the law. mdh got the vote because he was the best out of the candidates for many. the travelers aren't responsible for casey getting votes, the people who voted for him, many on the basis of his comments only, are the ones responsible. travelers are victims of discrimination whether you like it or not.

tretorn wrote: »

If 347,000 people have had negative experiences of a community that officially numbers 30,000 there is something very serious going on.

This has to be faced up and dealt with.

The travellers had their day out in RTE.

Wouldnt it be fair now to let victims of traveller crime have their chsnce to talk to Tubridy. Lets see how smart he is faced with the relatives of the ninety year old Bray woman beaten up in her home in the middle of the night by travellers.

Oh, no, we couldnt do that, they are an ethnic minority.

really? them being an ethnic minority prohibits discussion of victims of crimes commited by some travelers? i don't think so. after all, we are discussing it, rte have discussed it as have other radio stations and media.

tretorn wrote: »

The travellers werent told to ring in.
Tubridy filled the studio with travellers while he rubbished a guest he had invited on.

If its equality we want then let the victims of travellers speak. Most would probably be too afraid but the privacy of the ballot box allowed them a voice.

Maybe Leo could go on Tubridys show tomorrow and tell us what he thinks about Caseys vote and about that fact that 347,000 people told him to shove his voting advice where the sun doesnt shine.

the victims of travelers can use rte to speak. tuberty or rte can't force them to take up the ability to use it. leo shares the same view as the majority, that casey and his views belong in a different era.

tretorn wrote: »

Casey is the messenger the rural community have been waiting for, you are missing the point entirely by focussing on him.

If a braying donkey could say what Casey said 347,000 people would have voted for it.

People who would never vite for Sinn Fein because of their past would have left their morals at the doir of the station and voted for SF if a candidate had the courage to put the spotlight on traveller criminality.

he really isn't the messenger the rural community have been waiting for. he does not speak for the whole of the rural community. he speaks for some of it only and the votes reflect this.

Panch18 · 04-11-2018 9:14pm

end of the road wrote: »

the state pays a contribution, and the other party (the tenant) must come up with the rest. the amounts will vary in terms of income.

the majority of them? are you sure about that?
i'm very much aware what is being done in some sites by some travelers and the authorities must deal with them. a majority by a majority of travelers, well i'm afraid i haven't saw anything to show that to be the case.

for it to be free, neither party would be paying rent on it. if rent is paid, and the tenant is obligated to pay a contribution toards the rent with the government paying the rest, then it is subsidized.

you are aware it's not just travelers in social/subsidized accommodation?

Do you honestly believe that travellers are paying rent to the council???

Wow

Panch18 · 04-11-2018 9:14pm

end of the road wrote: »

the state pays a contribution, and the other party (the tenant) must come up with the rest. the amounts will vary in terms of income.

the majority of them? are you sure about that?
i'm very much aware what is being done in some sites by some travelers and the authorities must deal with them. a majority by a majority of travelers, well i'm afraid i haven't saw anything to show that to be the case.

for it to be free, neither party would be paying rent on it. if rent is paid, and the tenant is obligated to pay a contribution toards the rent with the government paying the rest, then it is subsidized.

you are aware it's not just travelers in social/subsidized accommodation?

Do you honestly believe that travellers are paying rent to the council???

Wow

Yer Da sells Avon · 04-11-2018 9:16pm

The rent topic is for another thread. And the fact that I have to pay it is nothing to do with my ethnicity. Could lose my job in the morning and qualify for rent allowance.

Redneck Culchie · 04-11-2018 9:18pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

The rent topic is for another thread. And the fact that I have to pay it is nothing to do with my ethnicity. Could lose my job in the morning and qualify for rent allowance.

Quite hard to get landlords to take rent allowance/HAP payments these days. Market forces dictate they don't need the hassle.

erica74 · 04-11-2018 9:19pm

Panch18 wrote: »

Do you honestly believe that travellers are paying rent to the council???

Wow

Do you know how I know they don't pay for their houses? Because they have no respect for their houses.

end of the road · 04-11-2018 9:20pm

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

And where does the rest come from?

i just answered that. both the state and tenant pay.

<SNIP>

in that specific case yes, however it doesn't answer what i asked. perhapse you could answer the original question?

Panch18 wrote: »

Do you honestly believe that travellers are paying rent to the council???

Wow

they are obligated to do so, and if they don't the council has the ability to evict them. i'm aware the council will rarely take up the option to evict non-payers but the ability is there. what needs to happen is a deduction at source (wages/benefits) to deal with that issue.

Redneck Culchie · 04-11-2018 9:24pm

Councils have a different section that deals with Traveller housing to other groups. So I assume there is different rules too.

Yer Da sells Avon · 04-11-2018 9:25pm

It's my current salary, not my ethnicity, that would disbar me from getting a council house.

omega man · 04-11-2018 9:25pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Has Casey or any Caseyites got solutions to the obvious problems in the travelling community. Problems nobody is denying exist. Including tavellers representative groups themselves.

Anyone got practical solutions?

Out of curiosity, what are these problems (not of their own making)?

Redneck Culchie · 04-11-2018 9:25pm

Friday night is all the more absurd when you consider our taxes fund Pavee Point, Ryan Tubridy and Jennifer Maguires salaries, and the university fees of the travellers in the audience.

Would really make you hop out of bed on a cold Monday morning.....:rolleyes:

Edward M · 04-11-2018 9:26pm

end of the road wrote: »

he really isn't the messenger the rural community have been waiting for. he does not speak for the whole of the rural community. he speaks for some of it only and the votes reflect this.

Peter Casey is the messiah we have been waiting for, the gospel is changing in relation to what we are forced to endure from travellers and our rights to tell it like it is to anyone who doesn't understand why our feelings towards them are as they are.
They may well be a different culture, but a large element of them are thugs, thieves or intolerant hypocrites, that's my genuine opinion of them.
I've experienced it from them and know many more who have too.

Panch18 · 04-11-2018 9:27pm

end of the road wrote: »

i just answered that. both the state and tenant pay.

in that specific case yes, however it doesn't answer what i asked. perhapse you could answer the original question?

they are obligated to do so, and if they don't the council has the ability to evict them. i'm aware the council will rarely take up the option to evict non-payers but the ability is there. what needs to happen is a deduction at source (wages/benefits) to deal with that issue.

The thing is that people like yourself and Francie are actually totally detached from the reality of what happens on the ground and in reality

It’s so easy to say that they should pay their rent and council should evict - the reality is that they don’t pay and don’t get evicted, on the contrary the council are sent in to renovate the wrecked houses and clean up the filthy halting sites at huge costs

So you can blab on all you want about what “should” happen but the thing is people are sick and tired of what actually happens - in the real world

mfceiling · 04-11-2018 9:32pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What is Casey's education record because he doesn't strike me as very intellectually bright or articulate

Is that a definition of hate speech?

Roger Hassenforder · 04-11-2018 9:33pm

end of the road wrote: »

i just answered that. both the state and tenant pay.
.

And where will the McCarthys and Caseys get their contribution?

Roger Hassenforder · 04-11-2018 9:33pm

end of the road wrote: »

i just answered that. both the state and tenant pay.
.

And where will the McCarthys and Caseys get their contribution?

AndyBoBandy · 04-11-2018 9:34pm

MOD - Closing this thread as we've gone well north of 10k posts.

A part 2 may or may not be opened tomorrow. Although most likely not as all that's needed to be said was said.

I especially liked the bit about the migration habits of Southern Hemisphere Swallows.

Mr. CooL ICE · 05-11-2018 9:48am

Mod: Reopened.

May god have mercy on us all.

Discodog · 05-11-2018 9:58am

I wonder if this thread would still be here if Casey hadn't made those comments. One can't deny that he has opened up debate.

Peter Casey's beliefs of Travellers' ethnicity Part II

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