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Why do car owners drive in the middle lane?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 125 ✭✭stephen1968


    I totally agree with what your doing not causing any obstruction and at the correct speed...just wish sometimes my truck could go along faster 😀.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,814 ✭✭✭creedp


    For me thats an example of sensible driving based on the road conditions as against slavishly applying rotr in a completely impractical manner. I can never fathom out the view that you should continuously shalom between L2 and L1 when overtaking rather than simply continue on L2 and overtake without all the bloody drama, obviously so long as you're not holding up any faster moving traffic

    However, some would say you're a dinosaur and should resit your test😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭reubenreuben


    If you are talking about the M50 in dublin then im not surprised.

    If you are in slow left lane and when near traffic junctions coming in from the left be prepared to be almost crashed into by some drivers.

    That's why most stay in middle lane. Not saying its correct but It's safer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Tell me you dont like or know how to drive without telling me you dont like or know how to drive.


    "I drive in the middle lane because I don't want to have to do all that overtaking and checking my mirrors stuff....yunno, driving"

    Do you find traffic lights a chore or do you just blast on through? how about roundabouts, though I'm somewhat terrified to hear how you approach them. You must wake up sweating at the thoughts of a yield sign or, heaven forefend, a zip merge?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    100% agree with this. Merging traffic is to much of a pain to keep having to deal with when there are close junctions. Middle lane it is.

    It may be theory and rules that say you should drive in the left lane except when overtaking. Experience soon tells most drivers that the middle lane is better for driving in.

    I drive long distances on motorways in the UK fairly often. I dont know where people are getting this idea that they somehow are more disciplined on motorways than we are here. They use the middle lane exactly the same way we do in Ireland. They will stay in the middle lane just as often as we do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,814 ✭✭✭creedp


    I stopped reading after first line as I knew you were referring to someone else



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,814 ✭✭✭creedp


    I think left lane zealots may simply be inexperienced or simply lacking in confidence so they drive knuckle white style and stick ridgidly to the rotr without applying any context. They'd prefer to be continuously enraged by people joining a motorway and interrupting their steady progress rather than move over to L2 and facilitate a more smooth driving experience for all drivers.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,059 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    If you find merging traffic to be enraging and you don't know how to handle it then your definitely in the group of inexperienced and unconfident drivers. Maybe you should get some practice at changing lanes, the M50 is a great spot to do it, drive in the inside lane and you'll need to make 4 lane changes every time you need to pass a middle lane muppet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,814 ✭✭✭creedp


    Just to be clear I dont get enraged by mergers as Im either in the middle late to facilitate mergers or considerately either slowing down or speeding up in L1 to allow smooth merging. Or actually driving to the prevailing conditions rather that shaking a fist ot a rotr book. As for having to make 4 lane changes to overtake😂 not sure who is the muppet

    If you are a regular M50 user Im sure you have spotted plenty enragees though, flashing lights and shaking fists etc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,566 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,814 ✭✭✭creedp


    Dont worry I can count. If people are happy to do the dance, then plough on and cause unecessary mayhem so they can ride the high horse.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,059 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    It's pretty easy to drive on the inside lane and move over to the middle lane when somebody needs to merge in, I don't see the hassle in making a simple lane change.

    It's ok if you find lane changes difficult, go get some practice and you'll have soon developed the basic driving skill of changing lanes. I'd also recommend you improve your observation of the road conditions both in front and behind your car, that way you shouldn't need to slow down to facilitate mergers as you'll be able to anticipate the road conditions and won't be left in a position where your passing on the left and don't have space to move over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,929 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Given that many drivers will either dawdle onto the motorway at significantly less than the posted limit/speed of traffic already on the main carrageway, OR will shoot across the harch markings as soon as they can, then you'll absolutely be adjusting your speed to facilitate/react to them.

    Then when they get onto the motorway proper they'll continue to dawdle along, forcing others to have to maneuver around them in response. If you're getting overtaken by trucks on a motorway you're doing it wrong IMO and should probably stick to the secondary routes.

    Or as I do, just sit out in L3 at the limit-ish and leave them all to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,814 ✭✭✭creedp


    Thanks for the tips...they certainly are helpful for getting 100% in the theory test



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    I can tell you have probably never driven on the M50 when the traffic is bad, which is pretty much most of the time.

    Its much easier just to stay in the middle lane and overtake in the right lane. Far too much merging and trucks going on the M50 for anyones comfort. You would actually know this if you drive on it tbh. Everyone else knows it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,929 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Unfortunately there are too many drivers who will convince themselves that they are doing the right thing because they are within the letter of the law, rather than instead actually reading the situation in front of/around them and adjusting their driving accordingly

    • whether that to be to move out early in anticipation of a busy merge
    • or move out before they end up right behind a car they intend to overtake and then have to either brake because there's already a car in the right lane or cut them off (I see both every day)
    • or adjust their speed accordingly to keep up with the flow of traffic, or slow appropriately if needed (rain/wet surfaces/poor visibility etc)
    • or move over when safe to do so if a faster car comes up behind rather than trying to police the road themselves

    etc etc etc....

    Driving requires observation, adapting and reacting to rapidly changing circumstances, flexibility and common sense - not just slavishly following the rules and telling yourself that you're right, everyone else is wrong!



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,059 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Oh can you now, that's interesting as I'm regularly on the M50 at different times of the day. Not sure why you feel turning a 3 lane motorway into a 2 lane one is helping the flow of traffic. Perhaps if you and others could master such a basic skill of driving as changing lanes we'd have a much better flow for everyone.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,059 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    That's for sure another pet hate of mine. People who don't use slip roads to accelerate to the speed of the road. With the auxiliary lanes and the extended solid lines they've added at the N4/N7 junctions I can normally see them coming with plenty of time to move over. I'm one of those old fashioned drivers who pays attention to the road instead of a phone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,814 ✭✭✭creedp


    What do you when traffic is pretty solid on L1 and L2?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,929 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Yep, it's extremely common to find yourself stuck behind someone doing 60/80 on a slip road who will them just pull out in front of whatever vechicle is already in the left lane. The problem then is that you are affected by this as well so what I usually do is slow and let a decent gap build up so that I myself can then join at a proper speed (3L diesel FTW!)

    I saw a numpty actually stop at the Garter Lane merge onto the N7 outbound and when I came up behind them, they just pulled straight into L1 in front of a truck... very lucky they were but FFS!



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,059 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    I've not experienced the spontaneous arrival of solid traffic in lane 2 causing me to not have space to move over. It goes back to what I said before, pay attention to what's going on around you and you want end up in a situation where your in lane 1 and don't have space to move. Not passing cars on the left is a great way to avoid trapping yourself in that scenario.

    If your talking about the regular times when the M50 is stop start then the whole thing is a different driving experience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    Dont mind him. He definitely has never driven on the M50.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,059 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog



    Seems like ability to read is as bad as your ability to change lanes. Just in case, here's a post where some other poster spotted my car on the M50

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120800302/#Comment_120800302



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    Its your total lack of experience driving on the M50 that is giving you away.

    Look there is the way to drive on a motorway that is flowing effeciently with well spaced exits and long slip roads, and there is the way you have to drive on the M50. Two different things.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,059 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Just because your an inexperienced driver who has difficulty changing lanes doesn't mean the rest of us have the same deficiencies. Maybe spend the effort learning how to control your vehicle and observe road conditions instead. You might then find it easier to identify competent drivers over your own lazy driving efforts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,814 ✭✭✭creedp


    See this is the point and why what is theoretically the correct options isnt always the best or safest in certain driving conditions. In heavy M50 traffic where there is a lot of merging traffic and heavy L2 traffic, its a lot safer to drive in L2 so as to avoid dealing with merging and heavy and slow moving L2 traffic. Each to their own of course, but there is no way Im doing the 4 lane dance in heavy M50 traffic and up to now the Gardai havent intervened to tell me otherwise



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    Driving is about adapting to the conditions around you and making your driver and those around you as safe a possible. You should know this if you are an experienced driver. You will eventually learn this. If you dont learn this with driving experience im afraid there is no hope for you, so no point trying to teach you.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,059 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    You're not doing a 4 lane manoeuvre to pass someone in lane 2 whilst it's heavy, then you'd be keeping up with the flow of traffic either in your lane or moving out a lane to where it's faster. It's the people are who are using that justification to camp in the middle during other times of the day that are the problem.

    Anybody who's used the M50 outside of peak hours should be well used to examples like this, where people demonstrate just how bad they are at driving.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,059 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    It's ok I'm sure you'll eventually gain that experience with enough practice, perhaps then you'll have the confidence to be able to change lanes safely. It's good that your aware of your limitation and are working on it.

    Let's hope more M50 drivers do the same and improve the conditions for the all of us.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,757 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    Lack of proper lane discipline is mainly down to pure laziness.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    "facilitate a more smoother driving experience for all drivers me"

    Fixed that post for ya.

    tootling along in the middle lane does not facilitate a smoother experience for anyone other than the person in the middle lane. You clearly dont understand how roads are designed to be used.

    You remove an entire lane (the inside one) by driving in the middle, congratulations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Gee, can anyone think of a reason why lane 2 would be pretty solid?

    Take your time...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    So your argument is that its easier to stay in the middle lane because there are too many cars in the middle lane? Gotcha.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,814 ✭✭✭creedp


    I quite enjoy meandering over and back across the M50 when traffic light and I have nothing better to be doing and I don't mind unproductively wasting fuel. However no way I'm doing it when traffic is heavy. in the real world L2 is routinely occupied by traffic going under the speed limits so I will drive to the conditions and to the avoid the madness of floating all over the M50, Ill drive in L2 and overtake in L3.

    However if in the real world people suddenly decided not in large number to dwell in L2, then I would drive in the theoretically optimum manner suggested by yourself. And I suppose if you were an eternal optimist, pigs might actually in this country



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,814 ✭✭✭creedp


    "facilitate a more smoother driving experience for all drivers me, IMHO"


    Fixed that for you and guess what I respect your opinion even if I disagree with it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,814 ✭✭✭creedp


    Such a superiority complex, must be an onerous responsibility to maintain



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo



    Its not an opinion, its they way you drive on a motorway in this (and many other) countries. Its literally how the road was designed to be used in the most effective and efficient manner. If you and everyone else drover properly you would get to your destination faster and with more fuel left and we wouldn't have ridiculous phantom tail backs.


    BTW any idea who those drivers are who like to "dwell in L2"? Any clue at all?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,814 ✭✭✭creedp


    Sure they were designed to be used in a certain manner but guess what they are not being used that way. It's not up to me to police how people use motorways so I'll just adapt to the real world about me.

    You seem to have a bit of a bee in your little bonnet about the dwelling issue. No interest in biting. If you want to lay off the games and ask a question, no bother



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,059 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Seems you can't even police yourself to properly use a motorway properly, trying to justify your laziness due to extra fuel usage of lateral movement is a bigger stretch that the one in the evenings on the 20th of June.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,929 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    The problem is that the "motorway" designation isn't really suitable for certainly the central part of the M50 because of the number of exits in close proximity and the volume of traffic that in reality means that all lanes become driving lanes most of the day.

    As such, you can't really apply the "keep left" rule because in reality it would cause even more chaos and problems if people were constantly shifting lanes as you suggest.

    As I said, there are two types of drivers - those who slavishly follow the theory/rules and tell themselves they're in the right regardless of the negative impact they may actually be having, and those who read the road, the situation, and adapt their driving style (including speed and positioning) accordingly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,045 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    I love the middle lane, you don’t have to think about other traffic when you’re in it.

    I think everyone should use it instead of the other lanes.



    (I don’t believe this)

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,814 ✭✭✭creedp


    Post makes absolutely no sense but not worth the childish name calling/squabbling. Carry on sir and so will I



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,059 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    You claimed it's not your job to police others use of the road. I agree.

    I do however believe it's an individuals job to use the road properly which you seem unwilling to do so by instead joining the people who like to camp in the middle lane.

    You attempted to justify your sticking to the middle lane as a reduction in fuel usage, I'm calling that out as a bit of a stretch




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,814 ✭✭✭creedp


    Yet you suggest that I should sit in L1 and continuously meander left/right across a busy motorway so that I can hold the higher moral ground and ridgly comply with the rotr even though doing so puts myself and other road users at an increased risk of being in an accident.

    Youd be better off geting some markers, drawing up a keep left placard and standing on an M50 overpass.

    As for the unhealthy obsession with my fuel usage quip, the least of all my concerns, whatever...if it makes you happy I agree its a bloody stretch as its of absolutely no significance to how I drive on the M50



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    no one is asking you to police anyone but yourself.

    The reason people drive in lane 2 is because other idiots drive in lane 2. Its that simple. Stop driving in lane 2 unless you are actively overtaking and the roads will be better and faster for everyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    You wouldnt have to continuously do it if there werent other MLMs sitting in lane 2.

    Its got nothing to do with moral high ground, its about making the motorway work they way it was designed, make it faster to drive on and remove phantom tailbacks.


    If you cant drive on a motorway safely then thats your problem and no one elses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    You wouldnt have to continuously do it if there werent other MLMs sitting in lane 2.

    Its got nothing to do with moral high ground, its about making the motorway work they way it was designed, make it faster to drive on and remove phantom tailbacks.


    If you cant drive on a motorway safely then thats your problem and no one elses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    At last, someone who is actually using their driving experience to drive. Some people if they were ever on the M50 probably never looked out the window of the car past the pages of their rule book to see what actually happening on the road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,814 ✭✭✭creedp


    Exactly I cant change how other people drive so I adapt my own driving style to compensate. Again, in the real world I cant stop people from hogging L2 so Im not going to be the moron to use L1 and having to continously drive around L2 slouches. Be my guest if you want to be this person.



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