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Still Waters No Longer Running, Derp.

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 182 ✭✭Burt Lancaster


    I always found Brendan O'Connor a lot more convincing than Fr Trendy D'arcy



  • Registered Users Posts: 511 ✭✭✭tawnyowl


    DarkJager wrote: »
    I've read that twice but still don't have a clue what he's ranting on about. Looks like a load of absolute bollixology to me.

    The Congress started on a downbeat note, journalists photographed empty chairs, attendees later cheered up, John Waters claims that this was due to some mysterious immaterial - eh - thingy. He doesn't like that the media (or those he read) didn't note the change in mood and concludes that this is somehow due to the media not reporting views they don't care for and John Waters feels this is somehow not good for democracy.

    Summed up in two sentences. Maybe I should teach John Waters how to write more clearly....

    One thing I noted - he was talking a lot about mood - John Waters seems to emote when he needs to think.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    tawnyowl wrote: »
    The Congress started on a downbeat note, journalists photographed empty chairs, attendees later cheered up, John Waters claims that this was due to some mysterious immaterial - eh - thingy.
    Funny you should say that -- a heavily religious relative rang me the other day to say that there'd been a miracle at the event, but she didn't have the full details yet and would get back to me when she did.

    A miracle that anybody turned up to the thing at all, I'd have thought.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    tawnyowl wrote: »
    Maybe I should teach John Waters how to write more clearly....
    FYP.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭fitz0


    2.jpg

    Does not compute.

    I realise it may not be our JW but still. What if it is?

    EDIT: Just noticed the line points to occult. It must be our John.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    fitz0 wrote: »

    Does not compute.

    I realise it may not be our JW but still. What if it is?

    EDIT: Just noticed the line points to occult. It must be our John.

    Nopers.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Waters_(filmmaker)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Our John Waters isn't capable of such concise, clear statements.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭CerebralCortex


    fitz0 wrote: »
    2.jpg

    Does not compute.

    I realise it may not be our JW but still. What if it is?

    EDIT: Just noticed the line points to occult. It must be our John.

    No! Kindle for the win!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭aidan24326


    fitz0 wrote: »
    As I recall though, the IT had Jesuspalooza on it's front page every day it was on. I don't read the Indo so I can't comment on it but Broadsheet featured it quite a bit. Not to mention the extensive RTE live coverage. What does he want, a Big Brother style 24/7 coverage?

    'Day 2 in the Big Jesus house, the bishop's saying mass.'

    Come on, there was more than enough coverage of it.

    Of course there was. RTE had 3 bloody hours of it live on two consecutive Sundays. I can't imagine the viewing figures were high. Looked like about as much fun as an appointment with an incompetent dentist.

    I just don't understand how Waters still has a column in a national newspaper, even allowing for the dire state of newspapers generally. He's the ultimate strawmanner, always arguing against his own perceived grieveances and injustices which often barely exist outside of Watersworld. He seems to be implying that the most boring and pointless conference of the year should have had more than the already-generous coverage that it garnered. Really John?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Heh, "Watersworld", I'm using that. The associations with the Kevin Costner film are just too delicious.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,798 ✭✭✭goose2005


    Sarky wrote: »
    Our John Waters isn't capable of such concise, clear statements.
    "Blood does more than turn me on, Mr. Vader. It makes me come. And more than the sight of it, I love the taste of it. The taste of hot, freshly killed blood...Kill everyone now! Condone first degree murder! Advocate cannibalism! Eat ****! Filth are my politics! Filth is my life! Take whatever you like."
    aidan24326 wrote: »
    Of course there was. RTE had 3 bloody hours of it live on two consecutive Sundays. I can't imagine the viewing figures were high. Looked like about as much fun as an appointment with an incompetent dentist.

    I just don't understand how Waters still has a column in a national newspaper, even allowing for the dire state of newspapers generally. He's the ultimate strawmanner, always arguing against his own perceived grieveances and injustices which often barely exist outside of Watersworld. He seems to be implying that the most boring and pointless conference of the year should have had more than the already-generous coverage that it garnered. Really John?
    The same with Myers, who discusses Churchill, 1916 and PC-gone-mad on a virtually continuous loop. There are other things you can write about, Kev.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    goose2005 wrote: »
    The same with Myers, who discusses Churchill, 1916 and PC-gone-mad on a virtually continuous loop. There are other things you can write about, Kev.

    Then we have Quinn who seems to write exclusively in defense of the catholic Church and Ian O' Doherty who has a more than a bit of a hard on for "ooman rites innit" stories.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭fitz0


    Whatever happened to frequent IT letter writer Eric Conway? I haven't seen a letter from him in months.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    You don't suppose the dudes in the white coats finally got him?
    "Address with the editor" was his first mistake.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭ironingbored


    He's back!

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2012/0706/1224319502813.html

    Haven't read the "article" yet but can summarise:

    "Baby-boomer generation misunderstands freedom...blah...blah...blah....aggressive secularism...blah...militant atheism...blah...blah...mystery....magisterium...blah....blah...only me and Benedict understand freedom. QED."


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    And lo, did he speak bollocks......
    The hippies and bohemians overthrew the bourgeois conformism of Andersen’s Republican father because they came to see his values as existing largely as abstractions, devoid of a context other than social control. They missed that these apparently imposed rules and strictures were the encoded wisdom of human trial and error through the ages.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭fitz0


    Whatever the content (or appearance thereof) of this article, the jump from a US focused, hippies killed the world, to Ireland and then gay marriage is just plain silly.

    Basically, hippies are responsible for the debt crisis and they now want gay marriage just because. John Waters, you've surpassed yourself.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,388 ✭✭✭gbee


    fitz0 wrote: »
    John Waters, you've surpassed yourself.

    I guess reading his reviews on Boards has gone to his head.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    It's more "waaaah, why don't people listen to old farts like me? THEY MUST BE STUPID AND EVIL BECAUSE I'M RIGHT."

    Apparently people are demanding gay marriage for reasons other than "it's the right f*cking thing to do". He's whining about hippies and counterculture saying they somehow want more equality because they're selfish, and that The Man is actually the distilled wisdom of the ages.

    tl;dr-

    Waters doesn't know what the f*ck is going on and he's lashing out in angsty childish frustration at people who [mod edit] don't like him [edit] ...

    MOD NOTE: There are limits to what individuals using Boards can say about public figures.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭aidan24326


    Has Waters been influenced by postmodernist twaddle? His style of writing is uncannily similiar. Lots of complicated-sounding sentences that are syntactically coherent but actually don't really mean anything when you try to dissect them. Bullsh1tology would be the technical term for it I think.

    Admittedly he hasn't as yet tried to equate the square root of minus one with the erect penis but surely a similiar mathematical insight awaits us.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    I think I've found the source of his material; the Postmodernist BS Generator.
    (Read the warning at the bottom of the page before getting into the text too much)


  • Registered Users Posts: 285 ✭✭gawker


    http://www.icatholic.ie/videos/iec2012-john-waters/

    Possibly the most rambling and nonsensical speech I've ever seen.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,388 ✭✭✭gbee


    gawker wrote: »
    http://www.icatholic.ie/videos/iec2012-john-waters/

    Possibly the most rambling and nonsensical speech I've ever seen.

    To be fair, I made an effort, I watched 10 minutes and 22 seconds .............. zzzzz


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    gawker wrote: »
    http://www.icatholic.ie/videos/iec2012-john-waters/

    Possibly the most rambling and nonsensical speech I've ever seen.

    I'm a wuss and can't face it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,537 ✭✭✭joseph brand


    Nodin wrote: »
    I'm a wuss and can't face it.

    Don't be so hard on yourself.
    We all know it's pointless listening to the ramblings of a mad man. So why listen to Waters?

    Might as well listen to the crazy ramblings of Ken Ham for an hour.


  • Moderators Posts: 51,847 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    He essentially tells a story of longing/absense of something through his life. He turns to drink and eventually ends up in AA. He then replaces drink with God. He then ascribes the improvements in his life to God, and not to cutting drink out of his life.

    He also is unhappy that TV/radio doesn't speak of existence/God on a daily basis. Bits also sound like he is saying that a lack of religion removes a sense of wonder with regard to the world around us.

    Did roll my eyes repeatedly when he essentially described Educate Together as something that only "trendy parents" are interested in.

    I was somewhat bemused that he was so pleased that his daughter invokes "God of the gaps" when he was discussing the big bang with her.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    koth wrote: »
    Did roll my eyes repeatedly when he essentially discribed Educate Together as something that only "trendy parents" are interested in.
    Been a while since I was last described as being "trendy". Will add it to my CV.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,810 ✭✭✭Calibos


    Is Sineads daughter Roisin his daughter? Same one that was reprimanded by her catholic school for doing a school project on gay rights and was quite rightly moved to another school by her mum?

    Level sensible head on that young girls shoulders. Regular customer at our business.


  • Moderators Posts: 51,847 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Yeah, Roisin was the daughter he was speaking about in his video.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,857 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    John offers his unique perspective on the trouble in the Phoenix Park last weekend: too much materialism, and the loss of a "sense of the mysterious meaning of reality".

    His suggested remedy: we should go back to the 50s.
    We need to understand the rage in our midst

    Fri, Jul 13, 2012

    Last weekend’s Phoenix Park stabbings were a vivid manifestation of the rage that now defines our culture, writes JOHN WATERS

    VIRTUALLY ALL the reporting and analysis of last weekend’s events in the Phoenix Park have been brought to us by unshockable crime correspondents and unreconstructed rock critics.

    Predictably, then, we have heard a great deal about, on the one hand, the security and law-and-order dimensions, and, on the other, the particularities of electronic dance music and the putatively violent context of the attendant dance culture.

    We need to dig deeper. About three years ago I suggested here that what we were calling the “economic crisis” was something far worse: an anthropological calamity arising from a misunderstanding of desire.

    Having invested all hopes in the balloon-basket of materialism, (which had recently fallen out of the sky) we had being brought face-to-face with a confusion centred on an inability to define what we want.

    What we skirt over as “materialism” denotes a core cultural misunderstanding that reduces human expectations to what is tangible and comprehensible. It is symptomatic of a culture that has lost its sense of the mysterious meaning of reality, and must therefore offer three-dimensional bait to keep the human mechanism ticking-over.

    At the heart of such a culture is a hole, from which rage emanates in the manner of lava. What emerged in the Phoenix Park last Saturday was an especially vivid manifestation of the rage that now defines our culture.

    We have come to think of a “stabbing” as exhibiting a narrow meaning related to the individual wielding the knife. More than 20 years ago Robert Bly wrote in Iron John about the power and meanings of knives. He recalled that, in traditional societies over many millennia, knives were used in the initiation of young men. The community elders would take the initiate into the wilderness and subject him to a regime of trial and fasting lasting several days.

    Around the campfire, the boy would hear the great myths and stories that men shared only among themselves. On the third night, the elders would pass around a bowl and, one by one, would cut their arms with a knife and bleed into it. When the bowl reached the boy, he drank the elders’ blood.

    Nowadays we shudder and dismiss such rituals as backward and barbarous, but neglect to take account of the barbarisms that occur in our midst because we no longer honour the natures of men. The elimination from our culture of the teaching, benign-authoritarian father has left us with generations of young men who, as Bly observed, are “numb in the region of the heart”. Because young men are never allowed to come away from their mothers, they stand on the threshold of manhood but cannot enter.

    The umbilical cord has been severed, but little more. Still tied to their mothers’ apron strings, more and more of our young men carry knives to announce their manhood. With their fathers cast into silence, they are starved of the wisdoms and mythologies that might sustain a healthy male existence. In our obsession with minoritarianism, we have overlooked some of the most vital constituents of a healthy community.

    Adrift in the numbness that engulfs them, many of our young men now walk with an outward appearance of normality but inwardly lurch uncontrollably – from, for example, a learned piety to intense rage – all the time seeking something to provide some illusion of feeling while simultaneously keeping the numbness at bay. Sometimes the cultural conditions cause their defences to break down and another calamity ensues.

    The great pioneer sociologists believed that, when understanding social deviance, it is erroneous to focus solely on individual wrongdoing. When someone commits some act that scandalises society, they believed, he or she is, in part at least, acting out some repressed, unacknowledged sentiment of the tribe. This understanding is supported by the coherence of certain dark statistics – murder, suicide, addiction – which tend to follow unique and consistent patterns within a given society, year on year.

    A century ago the French sociologist Emile Durkheim argued that communities are psychic beings, with distinctive ways of thinking and feeling. The suicidal individual’s sadness, he wrote in On Suicide, comes not from “this or that incident in his life, but from the group to which he belongs”.

    He also diagnosed a condition he called “anomie”, resulting from circumstances whereby the normative regulation of societal relationships by rules and values has collapsed and caused individual feelings of despair, isolation and meaninglessness to erupt as individual pathologies and civic disorders. He defined the underlying collective condition as “the malady of infinite aspiration” – wanting more and more of what has already failed to satisfy.

    In due course, those responsible for the Phoenix Park stabbings will be paraded before us on their way into court. We will shake our heads and arrive at some narrow moralistic conclusion, in accordance with which the culprits will be sentenced.

    But if, as a society, we fail to see that it is we who made these young men what they are, we will have lost another opportunity to understand what has been happening to us. It is at least as mindless as what happened last weekend to talk of “testosterone-fuelled thugs” gone mad in the park.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,165 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i'm curious about his assertion that young men are tied to their mother's apron strings without actually wanting to hear his justification for it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    Has he been reading Camus this week? His anecdotes are unique to say the least.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,857 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    We have come to think of a “stabbing” as exhibiting a narrow meaning related to the individual wielding the knife. More than 20 years ago Robert Bly wrote in Iron John about the power and meanings of knives. He recalled that, in traditional societies over many millennia, knives were used in the initiation of young men. The community elders would take the initiate into the wilderness and subject him to a regime of trial and fasting lasting several days.

    Around the campfire, the boy would hear the great myths and stories that men shared only among themselves. On the third night, the elders would pass around a bowl and, one by one, would cut their arms with a knife and bleed into it. When the bowl reached the boy, he drank the elders’ blood.

    Nowadays we shudder and dismiss such rituals as backward and barbarous, but neglect to take account of the barbarisms that occur in our midst because we no longer honour the natures of men. The elimination from our culture of the teaching, benign-authoritarian father has left us with generations of young men who, as Bly observed, are “numb in the region of the heart”. Because young men are never allowed to come away from their mothers, they stand on the threshold of manhood but cannot enter.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    As has been mentioned a number of times in various media, there were riots at Bob Dylan in 1984, no doubt when John Waters was at the height of his rebellious youth.

    The fact that he seems to think that society is worse then is used to be, just goes to show that he has become another predictable, "God be with the days" commentator, incapable of removing the rose-tinted glasses.

    What's sadder is that he thinks he's being cerebral when he comes up with some pop-psychology nonsense to justify his erroneous conclusions of the fall of society.

    I wonder is there a name for the cognitive biaise where people innately think that things are all worse now than they were before. It seems to be a natural human phenomenom, evident in all narratives since human prehistory.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,388 ✭✭✭gbee


    seamus wrote: »
    I wonder is there a name for the cognitive biaise where people innately think that things are all worse now than they were before. It seems to be a natural human phenomenom, evident in all narratives since human prehistory.

    This is a worthy topic for a new thread IMO.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭fitz0


    Its Friday again, so I suppose its time to ask, again, why is this twaddle still published?

    Also, what's an unreconstructed rock critic?


  • Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Davion Gifted Viewer


    Last weekend’s Phoenix Park stabbings were a vivid manifestation of the rage that now defines our culture, writes JOHN WATERS

    the only rage i have is when i read more of your sh!te, mr waters


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    fitz0 wrote: »
    Its Friday again, so I suppose its time to ask, again, why is this twaddle still published?
    Because John Waters is old school meedja who regularly dines and drinks with all other old school media who control what gets published and broadcast.
    He was no doubt cutting edge and righteously wordy when all these people were young and hip up-and-comers, so they're more than happy to let Waters ramble on unedited without considering whether his writing even contributes any substance to the publication.

    If someone in control dared tell him to go off and write something comprehensible, no doubt Waters would mock them for their puny language skills, and if they still wouldn't budge he'd run to a buddy in RTE demanding a slot on the Late Late to air his grievances.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    seamus wrote: »
    I wonder is there a name for the cognitive biaise where people innately think that things are all worse now than they were before. It seems to be a natural human phenomenom, evident in all narratives since human prehistory.
    Plato said something to that effect too, though I don't have time to find the exact quote.

    But the general term is nostalgia -- the longing for a distant, poorly-remembered past, filled with warm evenings, youth, hope, a belief in the wisdom and generosity of a benign authority. What Witters is suffering from is the cold realization that the benign authority doesn't exist now, probably didn't exist then, and that the authorities that do exist are fallible human beings with their own interests and limitations and who are, in some cases, perhaps even dumber than he.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    seamus wrote: »
    I wonder is there a name for the cognitive biaise where people innately think that things are all worse now than they were before. It seems to be a natural human phenomenom, evident in all narratives since human prehistory.
    It's called the Golden Age Fallacy.
    robindch wrote: »
    Plato said something to that effect too, though I don't have time to find the exact quote.
    I don't know the Plato quote you mean, but I like to quote Cicero:
    "Times are bad. Children no longer obey their parents, and everyone is writing a book."
    I think it's from about 55 B.C.E.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    mikhail wrote: »
    [...] to quote Cicero: "Times are bad. Children no longer obey their parents, and everyone is writing a book."
    ...says Cicero, no doubt writing a book :rolleyes:

    Here's Plato:
    Plato wrote:
    What is happening to our young people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They ignore the law. They riot in the streets inflamed with wild notions. Their morals are decaying. What is to become of them?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    bluewolf wrote: »
    Last weekend’s Phoenix Park stabbings were a vivid manifestation of the rage that now defines our culture, writes JOHN WATERS

    the only rage i have is when i read more of your sh!te, mr waters

    If you attack the man I'd be forced to pull you back.


    I'm getting on though, and might be some time getting there, and may not actually succeed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    robindch wrote: »
    Plato said something to that effect too, though I don't have time to find the exact quote.

    But the general term is nostalgia -- the longing for a distant, poorly-remembered past, filled with warm evenings, youth, hope, a belief in the wisdom and generosity of a benign authority. What Witters is suffering from is the cold realization that the benign authority doesn't exist now, probably didn't exist then, and that the authorities that do exist are fallible human beings with their own interests and limitations and who are, in some cases, perhaps even dumber than he.

    Of all the subjects that come up, its the one where a refutation is least likely to be acknowledged, in my experience at least. And that's in regard to eras within living memory or before.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭fitz0


    Is it wrong that I almost look forward to Fridays now to see what new standards JW has reached in poor writing?

    It's almost time! Humour and Batman in one day, I can only hope that TDKR features in his piece tomorrow.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    fitz0 wrote: »
    Is it wrong that I almost look forward to Fridays now to see what new standards JW has reached in poor writing?

    It's almost time! Humour and Batman in one day, I can only hope that TDKR features in his piece tomorrow.

    The much anticipated release of The Dark Knight Rises can be likened to the 3 day wait for Christ to rise. Except, this time it is illustrative of the decaying culture which we live in and this onslaught of materialism that the Dark Knight Rises embodies.

    Long gone are the days when Superman (christ) swoops in to save the day. Instead we witness the more secular superhero that is Batman. Science and rationality has replaced the wondrous figure that protected us from liberal lobby groups. But isn't it more rational to believe that superman can save us from ourselves?

    The unbigoted and radical notions of the modern world are responsible for this Dark side of our times. We bask in a world of hedonism and greed but this is not enough. So we turn to darkness but Batman cannot save you unless you accept him.

    To quote Lt Gordon 'Because he's the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector.' Jesus like Batman, is on the run from the secular powers that be but he will continue to protect you as long as you accept him into your heart and escape the decaying secular culture of Gotham (Ireland).


    **
    I tried to channel my inner Waters, like John I chose to go for a Tangent that made no sense by the very end of it (I had no suitable anecdotes to accompany it). The real question is which one is Jesus; Superman or Batman? :pac:


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    Dave! wrote: »
    John offers his unique perspective on the trouble in the Phoenix Park last weekend: too much materialism, and the loss of a "sense of the mysterious meaning of reality".

    His suggested remedy: we should go back to the 50s.

    I may not be a fan of JW but I think in this case he is right. Young people in society are like materialist robots to some extent. Many of them lack empathy, their sole achievement might be the number of friends they have on facebook.

    This isnt only an Irish phenomenon. It is very wide spread in Australia too. Last week a 19 year old was killed when he was setup up by a stranger in kings cross. No reason at all for it. The same person who murdered him also assaulted 3 other people that night. Probably just for kicks. This is not an uncommon event. There is a serious sickness in some elements of society and I think its more prevalent too in the young.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    jank wrote: »
    I may not be a fan of JW but I think in this case he is right. Young people in society are like materialist robots to some extent. Many of them lack empathy, their sole achievement might be the number of friends they have on facebook.

    This isnt only an Irish phenomenon. It is very wide spread in Australia too. Last week a 19 year old was killed when he was setup up by a stranger in kings cross. No reason at all for it. The same person who murdered him also assaulted 3 other people that night. Probably just for kicks. This is not an uncommon event. There is a serious sickness in some elements of society and I think its more prevalent too in the young.

    Young people do stupid things??????????????????????


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,537 ✭✭✭joseph brand


    Corkfeen wrote: »
    The much anticipated release of The Dark Knight Rises can be likened to the 3 day wait for Christ to rise. Except, this time it is illustrative of the decaying culture which we live in and this onslaught of materialism that the Dark Knight Rises embodies.

    Long gone are the days when Superman (christ) swoops in to save the day. Instead we witness the more secular superhero that is Batman. Science and rationality has replaced the wondrous figure that protected us from liberal lobby groups. But isn't it more rational to believe that superman can save us from ourselves?

    The unbigoted and radical notions of the modern world are responsible for this Dark side of our times. We bask in a world of hedonism and greed but this is not enough. So we turn to darkness but Batman cannot save you unless you accept him.

    To quote Lt Gordon 'Because he's the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector.' Jesus like Batman, is on the run from the secular powers that be but he will continue to protect you as long as you accept him into your heart and escape the decaying secular culture of Gotham (Ireland).


    **
    I tried to channel my inner Waters, like John I chose to go for a Tangent that made no sense by the very end of it (I had no suitable anecdotes to accompany it). The real question is which one is Jesus; Superman or Batman? :pac:

    Jesus vs Batman.

    Batman could beat Jesus in a match of close quarters combat.

    :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,537 ✭✭✭joseph brand


    jank wrote: »
    I may not be a fan of JW but I think in this case he is right. Young people in society are like materialist robots to some extent. Many of them lack empathy, their sole achievement might be the number of friends they have on facebook.

    This isnt only an Irish phenomenon. It is very wide spread in Australia too. Last week a 19 year old was killed when he was setup up by a stranger in kings cross. No reason at all for it. The same person who murdered him also assaulted 3 other people that night. Probably just for kicks. This is not an uncommon event. There is a serious sickness in some elements of society and I think its more prevalent too in the young.

    Did you not even read the posts above from mikhail and robindch?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Did you not even read the posts above from mikhail and robindch?

    Nods law.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=79712753&postcount=244


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