Civil Servcie mobility scheme

KRedzer · 31-05-2021 10:03am

I'm a new EO but have some questions regarding mobility if anyone would help out please?

I saw it mentioned that you can/should put in an application for mobility long before you fulfil the two year service requirement - this is the case, yes? And what is the reasoning for applying early?

And is there any way of specifying a particular office if there are multiple in the same zone in one Dept.? For example, I am hoping to eventually end up working in Irish Aid, which is a specific office of the Dept of Foreign Affairs, but within the Dublin zone there are multiple offices for the DFA, including the passport office etc. Is there any way of being more specific in the application?

Thank you!

cw67irl · 01-06-2021 7:35am

Probably a stupid question but with mobility can you change departments ?

gestappo · 01-06-2021 7:39am

cw67irl wrote: »

Probably a stupid question but with mobility can you change departments ?

Yep

rostalof · 01-06-2021 7:47am

KRedzer wrote: »

I'm a new EO but have some questions regarding mobility if anyone would help out please?

I saw it mentioned that you can/should put in an application for mobility long before you fulfil the two year service requirement - this is the case, yes? And what is the reasoning for applying early?

And is there any way of specifying a particular office if there are multiple in the same zone in one Dept.? For example, I am hoping to eventually end up working in Irish Aid, which is a specific office of the Dept of Foreign Affairs, but within the Dublin zone there are multiple offices for the DFA, including the passport office etc. Is there any way of being more specific in the application?

Thank you!

You should apply straight away because it can take some time to move up the list as only 1 in 8 EO positions are filled by mobility. Even though you may be ineligible for two years you will move up the list during those two years if you apply immediately. As far as I remember there is a sub menu for specifying different locations within zones for departments with multiple locations in that zone. This is to specify a different physical location/building, not for different sections of units within a location.

Mac0783 · 08-06-2021 12:20pm

Anyone get an offer yet?

Ollie321 · 08-06-2021 2:38pm

Mac0783 wrote: »

Anyone get an offer yet?

I would have thought this thread would have been busy today

CZ 453 · 08-06-2021 5:23pm

Is it possible that Dublin is being sorted first and then they move to regions?

baggio3 · 08-06-2021 5:54pm

I haven’t heard of any offers yet. I have my fingers crossed for Galway!!!!

OllieDro · 08-06-2021 6:43pm

Ollie321 wrote: »

I would have thought this thread would have been busy today

Same! . I checked my Ppl Point mobility page and my personal email several times today......
Hopefully we will see some movement soon.

billyhead · 08-06-2021 7:22pm

You could be waiting years for an offer especially if you live in Rural areas. Departments will look after their own staff first i.e DEASP and Revenue.

doc22 · 08-06-2021 8:19pm

billyhead wrote: »

You could be waiting years for an offer especially if you live in Rural areas. Departments will look after their own staff first i.e DEASP and Revenue.

Yes they did that already, old list were closed to external applicants and legacy dates for mobility were formed using internal dates .The specialised mobility process will mean they will favour there own too in such departments rather than the list process.

newstarts · 09-06-2021 1:04pm

Why did you expect offers today ..out on Career break but am in top 5 for 4 of my locations but put on hold

willthiswork · 09-06-2021 1:14pm

newstarts wrote: »

Why did you expect offers today ..out on Career break but am in top 5 for 4 of my locations but put on hold

The HEO and AO mobility scheme went live yesterday so we are hoping to see it start moving quickly!

newstarts · 09-06-2021 1:29pm

willthiswork wrote: »

The HEO and AO mobility scheme went live yesterday so we are hoping to see it start moving quickly!

Ahhhh ok!!!here's hoping so just applied to return once career break is up to be told it cant be approved at this time!!!

willthiswork · 09-06-2021 1:55pm

newstarts wrote: »

Ahhhh ok!!!here's hoping so just applied to return once career break is up to be told it cant be approved at this time!!!

Your return to work can't be approved?!

newstarts · 09-06-2021 3:32pm

willthiswork wrote: »

Your return to work can't be approved?!

Yes quite the response..was expecting the it will can take up to 12 months to get position but not that is cant be approved..have queried and they said it was decision by department head owing to budgets and headcount that was based off initial informal request in regards to returning so I've officially told them I want to return upon comp6of career date and will see what I get back

09-06-2021 4:02pm

newstarts wrote: »

Yes quite the response..was expecting the it will can take up to 12 months to get position but not that is cant be approved..have queried and they said it was decision by department head owing to budgets and headcount that was based off initial informal request in regards to returning so I've officially told them I want to return upon comp6of career date and will see what I get back

You might be in luck... I know people in the past who got paid something to stay at home and not work.

newstarts · 09-06-2021 4:19pm

Grayson Mammoth Servitude wrote: »

You might be in luck... I know people in the past who got paid something to stay at home and not work.

Really??never heard that before!

careerdecision · 09-06-2021 7:11pm

Dose anyone know if you move from non admin job in public sector to civil service do you get to keep your salary and increments
or do you start at the bottom of the scale for the civil service position if the job is not related?

Wonderstruck · 09-06-2021 8:20pm

newstarts wrote: »

Really??never heard that before!

I've heard of it, surely that's only if you can't be redeployed (e.g. your dept is in the middle of nowhere and there's nowhere with 50km to send you to, and now with wfh I think you can be move to an office further away).

If you're open to leaving the dept I'd just ask to be redeployed, you skip the mobility list if you're redeployed, depts have to take redeployed people before mobility people, cos otherwise they'd have nowhere to go!

newstarts · 09-06-2021 8:35pm

Wonderstruck wrote: »

I've heard of it, surely that's only if you can't be redeployed (e.g. your dept is in the middle of nowhere and there's nowhere with 50km to send you to, and now with wfh I think you can be move to an office further away).

If you're open to leaving the dept I'd just ask to be redeployed, you skip the mobility list if you're redeployed, depts have to take redeployed people before mobility people, cos otherwise they'd have nowhere to go!

I asked if there are no vacancies in parent department why cant it proceed to redeployment panel was told parent department has 12 months to find you a vancany...only then would it go to redeployment dept...they are just being arseholes I know they have people covering up to their tonsils and have 50%staff on mobility as well...just say no but here are your options..they will drag it out as long as they can

Wonderstruck · 09-06-2021 8:41pm

newstarts wrote: »

I asked if there are no vacancies in parent department why cant it proceed to redeployment panel was told parent department has 12 months to find you a vancany...only then would it go to redeployment dept...they are just being arseholes I know they have people covering up to their tonsils and have 50%staff on mobility as well...just say no but here are your options..they will drag it out as long as they can

Awww that sucks I'd thought they'd be happy to be rid of you with redeployment ASAP if there's no room, once less person to worry about!

Probably want a union rep involved perhaps?

Hope you can get it sorted, they can't expect you to languish for months waiting for a job when you told them you're coming back no wonder people want out

newstarts · 09-06-2021 9:54pm

Wonderstruck wrote: »

Awww that sucks I'd thought they'd be happy to be rid of you with redeployment ASAP if there's no room, once less person to worry about!

Probably want a union rep involved perhaps?

Hope you can get it sorted, they can't expect you to languish for months waiting for a job when you told them you're coming back no wonder people want out

I've one on it already just waiting on replays back..
I cant just hang around I need to get back to work financially and I've said this too!!

Skippette · 14-06-2021 10:45am

Has anyone HEO/AO grade been offered mobility under the new scheme since the 8th? Or even heard of anyone that has been offered a transfer?

I do know of some that have received transfers, but this was before the 8th.

I know not everyone is on Boards but it does seem a bit strange that no one has heard anything??

CZ 453 · 14-06-2021 10:54am

Skippette wrote: »

Has anyone HEO/AO grade been offered mobility under the new scheme since the 8th? Or even heard of anyone that has been offered a transfer?

I do know of some that have received transfers, but this was before the 8th.

I know not everyone is on Boards but it does seem a bit strange that no one has heard anything??

I haven't heard a thing. And I haven't heard of anyone else getting offers either.

AndrewJRenko · 14-06-2021 12:01pm

careerdecision wrote: »

Dose anyone know if you move from non admin job in public sector to civil service do you get to keep your salary and increments
or do you start at the bottom of the scale for the civil service position if the job is not related?

Don't think the jobs being related is relevant. You should transfer onto the nearest increment to your current salary.

If you are buying additional pension service, you won't be able to extend your current contract. You'd have to start again on a new contract, which may not be so attractive based on current rates.

OllieDro · 14-06-2021 2:14pm

CZ 453 wrote: »

I haven't heard a thing. And I haven't heard of anyone else getting offers either.

Same here, I haven’t heard a thing - I would have thought that by the end of week 1 there would be some movement..... disappointing!

445279.ie · 14-06-2021 2:21pm

OllieDro wrote: »

Same here, I haven’t heard a thing - I would have thought that by the end of week 1 there would be some movement..... disappointing!

Haven’t heard a thing either. In touch with a few friends in deferent counties too and nothing ðŸ˜Ÿ

So disappointed- so need a change of scenery and a new challenge

Ravage1616 · 14-06-2021 2:29pm

I took a screen-shot my place in the middle of may. Checked it today and only 2 locations out of 8 have changed and that was only by 1 place. It'll be slow!

445279.ie · 14-06-2021 2:52pm

Ravage1616 wrote: »

I took a screen-shot my place in the middle of may. Checked it today and only 2 locations out of 8 have changed and that was only by 1 place. It'll be slow!

Same here. One department has changed in both my zones by one place

Skippette · 14-06-2021 3:09pm

Ravage1616 wrote: »

I took a screen-shot my place in the middle of may. Checked it today and only 2 locations out of 8 have changed and that was only by 1 place. It'll be slow!

3 different departments moved spaces by 1 or 2 places but that was before the "go live" date. So I think they were internal moves in their departments.

Cracking up with waiting for movement!!

445279.ie · 14-06-2021 3:20pm

Ravage1616 wrote: »

I took a screen-shot my place in the middle of may. Checked it today and only 2 locations out of 8 have changed and that was only by 1 place. It'll be slow!

Same here. One department has changed in both my zones by one place

CZ 453 · 22-06-2021 1:57pm

Two weeks now since HEO/AO went live and I haven't heard of a move yet.

EO's mobility tipping away at a slow pace nationwide.

There is a pile of recruitment with retirements etc. You'd expect this time to be the fastest moving for mobility and it appears to be very slow if not slower than usual.

Hanfam11 · 22-06-2021 2:38pm

Is there a way to check you place on a list for mobility if you don't use people point?

Skippette · 22-06-2021 2:53pm

CZ 453 wrote: »

Two weeks now since HEO/AO went live and I haven't heard of a move yet.

EO's mobility tipping away at a slow pace nationwide.

There is a pile of recruitment with retirements etc. You'd expect this time to be the fastest moving for mobility and it appears to be very slow if not slower than usual.

I have my suspicions that they were waiting for the latest regional results to issue in the HEO comp before making placements. Think it was an InterD comp..

On the plus side, I read that regional results came out today. So fingers crossed we all get moving!!!!

CZ 453 · 22-06-2021 3:02pm

Skippette wrote: »

I have my suspicions that they were waiting for the latest regional results to issue in the HEO comp before making placements. Think it was an InterD comp..

On the plus side, I read that regional results came out today. So fingers crossed we all get moving!!!!

Never thought of that. Good point. Hopefully it'll move soon.

rostalof · 22-06-2021 6:51pm

Skippette wrote: »

3 different departments moved spaces by 1 or 2 places but that was before the "go live" date. So I think they were internal moves in their departments.

Cracking up with waiting for movement!!

Or people cancelled their applications or they were promoted.

Addle · 22-06-2021 9:24pm

rostalof wrote: »

Or people cancelled their applications or they were promoted.

Or waiting for dates to be verified.

The Third Policeman · 23-06-2021 2:06pm

Yep, looks like they'll run it in conjunction with the roll out of the latest HEO panel. There's a document on the mobility page which mentions something.

CZ 453 · 23-06-2021 2:15pm

Is this HEO panel (that it might be running in conjunction with) offering places to folks now? I can only see an InterD HEO comp that seems to be in mid stages of recruitment/selection process.

Lemon Davis lll · 24-06-2021 9:42am

Hanfam11 wrote: »

Is there a way to check you place on a list for mobility if you don't use people point?

Unlikely you can access the info yourself, but HR will give you your current placing.

mccarthye · 02-07-2021 10:39am

Has anyone received any update on this? It appears no movement has taken place yet.

prettyboy81 · 02-07-2021 6:54pm

HEO I know moving from DSP to Dept Housing, off this mobility list. Has start date confirmed. Dublin post from AMD to Custom House.

445279.ie · 02-07-2021 8:08pm

mccarthye wrote: »

Has anyone received any update on this? It appears no movement has taken place yet.

I’ve moved up 2 positions for one department in one of my locations.

paintitwhite · 03-07-2021 7:00am

Am I right in saying if you have say 5 departments down you have to take the first one your offered? If you turn it down you go to the back of the q?

ParkRunner · 03-07-2021 8:18am

Is the two year rule in your current role, location, grade etc strictly enforced? I’m 18 months in and have seen some interesting roles come up at AP level

The Third Policeman · 03-07-2021 4:53pm

Link below to the mobility page. Has all the terms and conditions (must read it again myself). Fingers crossed for some kind of movement soon.

https://hr.per.gov.ie/career/civil-service-mobility/#general%20information

445279.ie · 03-07-2021 9:37pm

paintitwhite wrote: »

Am I right in saying if you have say 5 departments down you have to take the first one your offered? If you turn it down you go to the back of the q?

If you turn it down within the required time you hold your place for the other departments. If you express an interest but ultimately withdraw then you go to the back of the queue for all departments within the zone

willthiswork · 05-07-2021 11:07am

One of my choices in Cork has moved one spot today so it looks like the wheels are finally turning!

Skippette · 05-07-2021 11:17am

ParkRunner wrote: »

Is the two year rule in your current role, location, grade etc strictly enforced? I’m 18 months in and have seen some interesting roles come up at AP level

Yes, unfortunately. I was kept on in my home department for 3 months for business needs before I moved location and I am not eligible until I'm 2 years in location.

I have already contacted HR and Unions and no one is budging...approx 9 weeks to go.

That said, make sure you apply now. You can apply straight away, you just won't be eligible for the 2 years.

Civil Servcie mobility scheme

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