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Coronavirus

  • 23-02-2020 12:36am
    #1
    The chan chan man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 824 ✭✭✭


    I’m surprised this isn’t here already.. but do people actually believe this started with some clown eating a bat???


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  • #2
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    The chan chan man wrote: »
    I’m surprised this isn’t here already.. but do people actually believe this started with some clown eating a bat???
    Why is that such a hard thing to believe?


  • #3
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    There is a poster in the current affairs thread that claims the CIA have publicly announced that there is an advanced bioweapons lab in Wuhan.
    They are currently unable to provide a source for that information but perhaps this thread will give them that operinity.


  • #4
    1641
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭1641


    The chan chan man wrote: »
    I’m surprised this isn’t here already.. but do people actually believe this started with some clown eating a bat???




    The Russians have it sorted. Its economic war!


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51599009


  • #5
    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    1641 wrote: »
    The Russians have it sorted. Its economic war!


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51599009
    So the actual conspiracy is to spread conspiracy theories. Meta conspiracy theory.

    Some of the CT I've seen:
    Bill Gates did it to reduce the human population
    China developed it as a weapon and released it by accident
    China developed it as a weapon and released it deliberately. (Dunno why?)
    The CIA did it. Economic war on China.

    One thing that will probably happen is that it will be weaponized. Malign actors such as terrorists will seek to spread it among their perceived enemies, and it will be difficult to police against that.


  • #6
    6541
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭6541


    Question? Will i be okay to go to Spain in 2 weeks time?


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  • #7
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Greta


  • #8
    The chan chan man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 824 ✭✭✭The chan chan man


    6541 wrote: »
    Question? Will i be okay to go to Spain in 2 weeks time?

    Probably not.. Italy have cancelled todays 6 nations. Its only s matter of time...


  • #9
    The chan chan man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 824 ✭✭✭The chan chan man


    King Mob wrote: »
    Why is that such a hard thing to believe?

    I could eat dinosaur sh1t marinated in leper’s plss and not infect the rest of ye with anything!

    There is a bioweapon lab in Wuhan and while it may not have been intentional I guess this is their equivalent of a leak at Ringsend!


  • #10
    Titclamp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    Why won't China let other countries top specialists to help with the virus?


  • #11
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    The chan chan man wrote: »
    I could eat dinosaur sh1t marinated in leper’s plss and not infect the rest of ye with anything!
    I'm not sure I understand your point. Are you saying that viruses can't be transferred from animals to humans?
    The chan chan man wrote: »
    There is a bioweapon lab in Wuhan and while it may not have been intentional I guess this is their equivalent of a leak at Ringsend!
    How do you know there was a bioweapon lab there?


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  • #12
    Titclamp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    King Mob wrote: »
    I'm not sure I understand your point. Are you saying that viruses can't be transferred from animals to humans?

    How do you know there was a bioweapon lab there?

    You don't even know there's that's where the SARS originally came from too?


  • #13
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Brayan Crooked Self-government wrote: »

    Some of the CT I've seen:
    Bill Gates did it to reduce the human population
    China developed it as a weapon and released it by accident
    China developed it as a weapon and released it deliberately. (Dunno why?)
    The CIA did it. Economic war on China.

    It's whatever the conspiracy community can dream up. And they can imagine a lot.


  • #14
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    They’re not very good at developing bio-weapons, the regular flu is way ahead of them.
    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm


  • #15
    Ludo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,015 ✭✭✭Ludo


    First world leader falls to CoronaVirus?

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-slovakia-election-primeminister/slovak-pm-pellegrini-cancels-schedule-due-to-illness-idUSKCN20H0A9

    Not Good!!!


  • #16
    _Brian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,617 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    There’s been allot of talk about a Chinese National, a bioscience expert who was working in the Canadian national lab and also working in Wuhan to set up a bio lab there.

    She and all her team were expelled from Canada for some irregularities.

    There was allot of talk in the beginning that this is the source and they were working on this sort of virus there, but I’ve read nothing about that idea recently.

    Rather than eating animals, it’s being close and close for long periods that often causes virus to spread to new hosts. Animal markets therefore would be a good potential breeding ground.


  • #17
    Titclamp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    _Brian wrote: »
    There’s been allot of talk about a Chinese National, a bioscience expert who was working in the Canadian national lab and also working in Wuhan to set up a bio lab there.

    She and all her team were expelled from Canada for some irregularities.

    There was allot of talk in the beginning that this is the source and they were working on this sort of virus there, but I’ve read nothing about that idea recently.

    Rather than eating animals, it’s being close and close for long periods that often causes virus to spread to new hosts. Animal markets therefore would be a good potential breeding ground.

    Some Harvard scientist can arrested. For espionage.


  • #18
    Titclamp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/28/us/charles-lieber-harvard.amp.html


  • #19
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    It sure would be an ideal time to roll out a global VAX if COVID mutates, they've been loosing popularity in recent times (MMR etc), so this would push them back in the limelight.
    BillGates would likely be able to throw a few hundred million behind a fast global vax rollout, before the end of the year.

    Question. Take the risk of a flu, or take the risk of a new (rushed vax), backed/financed by Gates?


  • #20
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »
    It sure would be an ideal time to roll out a global VAX if COVID mutates, they've been loosing popularity in recent times (MMR etc), so this would push them back in the limelight.
    BillGates would likely be able to throw a few hundred million behind a fast global vax rollout, before the end of the year.

    Question. Take the risk of a flu, or take the risk of a new (rushed vax), backed/financed by Gates?

    Why would Bill Gates finance a new vaccine?


  • #21
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    King Mob wrote: »
    Why would Bill Gates finance a new vaccine?
    Is this a genuine question?

    The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation announced Jan 26th that it is immediately committing $10 million in efforts to contain the global spread of 2019-nCoV. This was increased to $100m in February for the renamed COVID19.

    Of the total, $60 million will fund diagnostics, treatments, and vaccines development. Already has paid CEPI towards previous vaccines (Ebola).
    He is also connected to the Pirbright Insitute, which worked on gene editing infectious bronchitis virus (IBV).

    He previously stated any vaccine for a 'Pandemic X' would take up to 5yrs, so if he can rush one out quickly, will be seen as a hero.

    For better (or worse) he will be involved.


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  • #22
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    I miss the George Soros conspiracies.


  • #23
    imfml
    Registered Users Posts: 466 ✭✭imfml


    6541 wrote: »
    Question? Will i be okay to go to Spain in 2 weeks time?

    Yes


  • #24
    Titclamp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »
    Is this a genuine question?

    The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation announced Jan 26th that it is immediately committing $10 million in efforts to contain the global spread of 2019-nCoV. This was increased to $100m in February for the renamed COVID19.

    Of the total, $60 million will fund diagnostics, treatments, and vaccines development. Already has paid CEPI towards previous vaccines (Ebola).
    He is also connected to the Pirbright Insitute, which worked on gene editing infectious bronchitis virus (IBV).

    He previously stated any vaccine for a 'Pandemic X' would take up to 5yrs, so if he can rush one out quickly, will be seen as a hero.

    For better (or worse) he will be involved.

    He's always spouting on about apocalyptic catastrophe.

    Must be some money in it if that's the case with all his investment.


  • #25
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    Titclamp wrote: »
    He's always spouting on about apocalyptic catastrophe.

    Must be some money in it if that's the case with all his investment.

    Alannis Morrisette could write a song about that.


  • #26
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    From the Ebola conspiracy theory dungeon. Conspiracy theories are little more than blank templates, insert latest disease and you’re an expert.
    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2014/aug/11/blog-posting/bloggers-bill-and-melinda-gates-george-soros-funde/

    And SARS
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS_conspiracy_theory


  • #27
    Titclamp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    Ipso wrote: »
    From the Ebola conspiracy theory dungeon. Conspiracy theories are little more than blank templates, insert latest disease and you’re an expert.
    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2014/aug/11/blog-posting/bloggers-bill-and-melinda-gates-george-soros-funde/

    And SARS
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS_conspiracy_theory

    Still no vaccine for SARS


  • #28
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    Titclamp wrote: »
    Still no vaccine for SARS

    Maybe Bill will come out with a double whammy, SARS and Corona.
    It didn't wipe out humanity either, so Bill gates isn't very good ant his depopulation agenda, is he?


  • #29
    Titclamp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    Ipso wrote: »
    Maybe Bill will come out with a double whammy, SARS and Corona.
    It didn't wipe out humanity either, so Bill gates isn't very good ant his depopulation agenda, is he?

    Who said any thing about depopulating?

    Isn't finding vaccination the opposite?

    How does your brain perceive anything?


  • #30
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    Bill Gates is the tin foiler bogey man for human depopulation.
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bill-gates-vaccinations-depopulation/

    So what's the real conspiracy now? An attempt to counteract anti vaxers, testing bio-weapons, accidental release from a lab


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  • #31
    Titclamp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    Ipso wrote: »
    Bill Gates is the tin foiler bogey man for human depopulation.
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bill-gates-vaccinations-depopulation/

    So what's the real conspiracy now? An attempt to counteract anti vaxers, testing bio-weapons, accidental release from a lab

    Who'd buy his stupid products then to keep him filthy rich?

    If there's coin to be made in vaccination he'd be right in there from all his investments.


  • #32
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »
    Is this a genuine question?

    The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation announced Jan 26th that it is immediately committing $10 million in efforts to contain the global spread of 2019-nCoV. This was increased to $100m in February for the renamed COVID19.

    Of the total, $60 million will fund diagnostics, treatments, and vaccines development. Already has paid CEPI towards previous vaccines (Ebola).
    He is also connected to the Pirbright Insitute, which worked on gene editing infectious bronchitis virus (IBV).

    He previously stated any vaccine for a 'Pandemic X' would take up to 5yrs, so if he can rush one out quickly, will be seen as a hero.

    For better (or worse) he will be involved.
    Ok. And?
    Why would he be involved? How does it benefit him? Why is it a bad thing?
    Did he develop and release this new virus?


  • #33
    Titclamp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    King Mob wrote: »
    Ok. And?
    Why would he be involved? How does it benefit him? Why is it a bad thing?
    Did he develop and release this new virus?

    Can you not ask him yourself or do some research on it. He is a well known philanthropist if you no aware.

    Why do the richest men in the world put money in things I wonder?


  • #34
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Titclamp wrote: »
    Can you not ask him yourself or do some research on it. He is a well known philanthropist if you no aware.

    Why do the richest men in the world put money in things I wonder?
    Or I can ask people who seem to think that he's involved in this conspiracy theory why he's involved...?

    Are you suggesting that he is making money off vaccines?


  • #35
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Titclamp wrote: »
    Can you not ask him yourself or do some research on it. He is a well known philanthropist if you no aware.

    Why do the richest men in the world put money in things I wonder?

    You answered your own question


  • #36
    Titclamp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    You answered your own question

    I wasn't even asking a question. How thick are you.


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  • #37
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    King Mob wrote: »
    Ok. And?
    Why would he be involved? How does it benefit him? Why is it a bad thing?
    Did he develop and release this new virus?
    You have exceeded your quota of pointless question marks for today, please calm down and compose yourself for better debate or discussion.

    Rather than the usual ever so innocent and ever-repetitive: "who/what/why/when/where/which????", otherwise you can join simply the ignore list.

    Actually, it's probably likely I'll simply ignore your pointless non-stop questioning of every single thing regardless, as it demonstrates strong bias and a lack of any grain of substance, value or creditbility.


  • #38
    Titclamp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »
    You have exceeded your quota of pointless question marks for today, please calm down and compose yourself for better debate or discussion.

    Rather than the usual ever so innocent and ever-repetitive: "who/what/why/when/where/which????", otherwise you can join simply the ignore list.

    Actually, it's probably likely I'll simply ignore your pointless non-stop questioning of every single thing regardless, as it demonstrates strong bias and a lack of any grain of substance, value or creditbility.

    I don't think you can research much on Joe.ie unfortunately.


  • #39
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »
    You have exceeded your quota of pointless question marks for today, please calm down and compose yourself for better debate or discussion.

    Rather than the usual ever so innocent and ever-repetitive: "who/what/why/when/where/which????", otherwise you can join simply the ignore list.

    Actually, it's probably likely I'll simply ignore your pointless non-stop questioning of every single thing regardless, as it demonstrates strong bias and a lack of any grain of substance, value or creditbility.

    What's the conspiracy?


  • #40
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I heard Joe that if you think about China, you become a host to this insidious virus. What should I do Joe, have you got an answer. Joe. Joe?


  • #41
    Ted_YNWA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,799 ✭✭✭✭Ted_YNWA


    Titclamp wrote: »
    I wasn't even asking a question. How thick are you.

    Smart enough not to insult people.


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  • #42
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »
    You have exceeded your quota of pointless question marks for today, please calm down and compose yourself for better debate or discussion.

    Rather than the usual ever so innocent and ever-repetitive: "who/what/why/when/where/which????", otherwise you can join simply the ignore list.

    Actually, it's probably likely I'll simply ignore your pointless non-stop questioning of every single thing regardless, as it demonstrates strong bias and a lack of any grain of substance, value or creditbility.
    Again, I don't understand why simple direct questions result in a reaction like this.
    I'm also not sure why you are telling me to calm down?

    Maybe you could go back and explain in clear terms why you think that Bill Gates is involved in the conspiracy?


  • #43
    ayzeb123
    Registered Users Posts: 16 ✭ayzeb123


    It's not a Bioweapons lab, it's the Wuhan Institute of Virology and they do research on viruses and have been researching corona viruses after the SARS outbreak. (only 1 in China) It's very close to the Seafood Market apparently, (the epicentre of the coronavirus outbreak) within walking distance they say. Also close to the Seafood Market is the Wuhan Centre of Disease Prevention & Control (24 Jianghan N Rd, Jiang'an District, Wuhan, Hubei, China) this place does research on animals. apparently they were housing over 600 diseased bats. It doesn't take much to think the virus may have originated from one of these places. But we'll never know.


  • #44
    The Nal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,015 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    King Mob wrote: »
    Again, I don't understand why simple direct questions result in a reaction like this.
    I'm also not sure why you are telling me to calm down?

    Maybe you could go back and explain in clear terms why you think that Bill Gates is involved in the conspiracy?

    C'mon KM its quite simple. A brief, baseless allusion to Bill Gates being involved in the spreading of the virus but its up to you to prove that he isn't. If you can't prove this negative, well, then that proves that he is.

    "Bill Gates is involved"

    "How?"

    "Calm down. Stop asking me all these questions".


  • #45
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    The Nal wrote: »
    ...baseless allusion to Bill Gates being involved in the spreading of the virus....
    This is a nonsense baseless suggestion, have you any evidence to back up this claim?

    Gates is however very keen to roll out as many 'vaccines' (not viruses) as possible, when the opportunity presents.

    Has for a long time been invested in the vax industry on a global level. Has already invested millions in vacccine programs for this latest one. Perhaps for fiscal gain, altruistic ego boost, or some other vested interset.

    One would just hope any vax would be 100% safe, if it was be rolled out out at record speeds, and at record distribution. Perhaps at a scale, and pace never seen before, with far greater penetration rates than the Flu itself.


  • #46
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    ayzeb123 wrote: »
    Apparently they were housing over 600 diseased bats. It doesn't take much to think the virus may have originated from one of these places. But we'll never know.


    Who knows for sure, perhaps if their outdoor bin was overflowing with so many animals getting processed or tested, some building porter (or other staff/non-staff), might have sold them on to the nearby market for pocket money. Wonder what the going price for a oven ready bat would be in Wuhan.


  • #47
    old_aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,410 ✭✭✭old_aussie


    6541 wrote: »
    Question? Will i be okay to go to Spain in 2 weeks time?

    NO!


  • #48
    old_aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,410 ✭✭✭old_aussie


    Ted_YNWA wrote: »
    Smart enough not to insult people.

    That sounds very "self opinionated", which is a conspiracy all by itself.


  • #49
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »
    This is a nonsense baseless suggestion, have you any evidence to back up this claim?
    Why bring him up?
    Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »
    Has for a long time been invested in the vax industry on a global level. Has already invested millions in vacccine programs for this latest one. Perhaps for fiscal gain, altruistic ego boost, or some other vested interset.
    Do you have any evidence that:
    1. He is gaining financially from his charity work?
    and
    2. that any such gains are illegal or untoward?

    Cause otherwise, suggesting that it is somehow sinister or suspicious is a bit baseless.
    Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »
    One would just hope any vax would be 100% safe, if it was be rolled out out at record speeds, and at record distribution. Perhaps at a scale, and pace never seen before, with far greater penetration rates than the Flu itself.
    Again, what has this to do with Bill Gates? What has this to do with any conspiracy?

    I know you don't like questions, but you don't seem to be actually putting much forward...


  • #50
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

    Gates is however very keen to roll out as many 'vaccines' (not viruses) as possible, when the opportunity presents.

    Has for a long time been invested in the vax industry on a global level. Has already invested millions in vacccine programs for this latest one. Perhaps for fiscal gain, altruistic ego boost, or some other vested interset.

    One would just hope any vax would be 100% safe, if it was be rolled out out at record speeds, and at record distribution. Perhaps at a scale, and pace never seen before, with far greater penetration rates than the Flu itself.

    Okay, but what is the conspiracy? is there one?


  • #51
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    King Mob wrote: »
    Why bring him up?
    It's common public knowledge he's vested (in various means, fiscal or otherwise) in the vax industry. And has just invested millions in a vax for the latest coronavirus.

    Someone else (The Nal) suggested he had something to do with the virus itself, which is very sinister and baseless. It's simply a circumstancal situation.

    'Please note': You have now *exceeded your questions for today* (6 at once???). KingMob, Please lay down in a dark room, reduce coffee consumption and relax. Maybe do a crossword or stroke a stray cat to try and stay calm, particularly as we begin enter pandemic status. Tally ho.


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