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  • #452
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Jamsiek wrote: »
    People generally remove their shoes in these countries
    They don't need to be asked

    Not true and I’ve lived in those countries longer than you so I’m in a better position to make that determination.


  • #453
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,714 ✭ [Deleted User]


    It wouldn’t really matter if they do it every where else in the world, the fact is that removing shoes at the door when entering a house is not the done thing for the vast majority in Ireland..


  • #454
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,158 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Gunnar Shrilling Saint wrote: »
    What did I say in my post, and lo and behold someone pipes in with Canada. Seriously.

    You don’t own the thread . We can post what we like .


  • #455
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    You don’t own the thread . We can post what we like .

    Seriously though, did you see my previous post? I said "before someone pipes in about Canada" and two posts later your man comes in with "what about Canada?"

    Canada has much harsher weather conditions, vast outdoor activity. Not the done thing in the cities. Lived there for several years.


  • #456
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Jamir Tender Self-determination wrote: »
    It wouldn’t really matter if they do it every where else in the world, the fact is that removing shoes at the door when entering a house is not the done thing for the vast majority in Ireland..

    Or the English speaking world or continental Europe. Northern European countries maybe and Nordic countries but it's not the done thing here.

    Makes me laugh how all the posters on here advocating shoes off are like "you need to respect the culture in these countries and it considered rude not to and hygiene yada yada" but it doesn't on them about respecting the culture of the country that they actually live in.


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  • #457
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,158 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    In Canada people are used to shoes off so generally carry a pair of soft indoor shoes when visiting other houses
    Might be a good idea if people want shoe free homes to let people know that


  • #458
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    In Canada people are used to shoes off so generally carry a pair of soft indoor shoes when visiting other houses
    Might be a good idea if people want shoe free homes to let people know that

    They're used to it because they have snow for 8 months of the year.


  • #459
    Lillyfae
    Registered Users Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    Gunnar Shrilling Saint wrote: »
    Or the English speaking world or continental Europe. Northern European countries maybe and Nordic countries but it's not the done thing here.

    Makes me laugh how all the posters on here advocating shoes off are like "you need to respect the culture in these countries and it considered rude not to and hygiene yada yada" but it doesn't on them about respecting the culture of the country that they actually live in.

    The Nordic countries are pretty much contained in Northern Europe. I live in the Benelux region and people mostly remove their shoes here without being asked to. Lots of people on Boards live in other countries. You're moving the goalposts to suit your own indignation. Why are you so angry?


  • #460
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Gunnar Shrilling Saint wrote: »
    Or the English speaking world or continental Europe. Northern European countries maybe and Nordic countries but it's not the done thing here.
    .

    It's a done thing in large parts of Central Europe too. It's also done in apartments to minimize the noise for the neighbors.

    I have no intention joining another shoes in/out debate but I do find it entertaining with how much authority people make blanket statements on the subject they know **** all about.


  • #461
    Lillyfae
    Registered Users Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    meeeeh wrote: »
    I have no intention joining another shoes in/out debate but I do find it entertaining with how much authority people make blanket statements on the subject they know **** all about.

    Ya, like Spain and Italy are the "main" European countries :pac:


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  • #462
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,158 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Gunnar Shrilling Saint wrote: »
    They're used to it because they have snow for 8 months of the year.

    You do understand that Canada is huge and the 2 nd largest country in the world
    A blanket statement about how long it snows for makes you look foolish !
    In some parts the snow never melts and in other parts the snow might lie for a month .


  • #463
    Jamsiek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭Jamsiek


    Gunnar Shrilling Saint wrote: »
    Not true and I’ve lived in those countries longer than you so I’m in a better position to make that determination.

    How do you know I haven’t lived there longer than you?


  • #464
    Jamsiek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭Jamsiek


    Gunnar Shrilling Saint wrote: »
    What did I say in my post, and lo and behold someone pipes in with Canada. Seriously.

    You mentioned Canada and made the stupid assumption that Canadians only remove their shoes where there is 6m of snow.
    I pointed out that you were wrong. Seriously indeed


  • #465
    Jamsiek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭Jamsiek


    Gunnar Shrilling Saint wrote: »
    They're used to it because they have snow for 8 months of the year.

    There you go again. I pointed out where you were wrong but looks like you didn’t read it.
    Many parts of Canada get little or no snow all year such as Vancouver where I live and people still take shoes off at the door. It’s just the done thing.
    You’re embarrassing yourself at this stage. Seriously


  • #466
    Jamsiek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭Jamsiek


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    In Canada people are used to shoes off so generally carry a pair of soft indoor shoes when visiting other houses
    Might be a good idea if people want shoe free homes to let people know that

    Yes. Some friends of mine have slippers for visitors if they want to wear them. Usually stolen from hotels, etc


  • #467
    Necro
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,185 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Gunnar Shrilling Saint wrote: »
    I just named the main European continental countries i.e. France, Spain and Italy so if you're not living in one of those countries then you're not actually in the "real" Europe and may want to rethink your last post.

    Bahahaha.

    'Real Europe.' LOL the mask slipped entirely there.


  • #468
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Lol, I only saw that pearl of wisdom now. I calculated that real Europe only takes up 14% of the area the Europe is supposed to be. So 86% of Europe is actually fake Europe probably full of deplorable people wearing slippers inside.


  • #469
    Lillyfae
    Registered Users Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    meeeeh wrote: »
    Lol, I only saw that pearl of wisdom now. I calculated that real Europe only takes up 14% of the area the Europe is supposed to be. So 86% of Europe is actually fake Europe probably full of deplorable people wearing slippers inside.

    To my embarrassment, we have indoor Crocs. Mine are even pink :o. They were on special though.


  • #470
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Jamsiek wrote: »
    How do you know I haven’t lived there longer than you?
    You can’t make that assumption and be taken seriously.
    Looks like you’re getting defensive here.

    I picked it up from your previous posts and some of the comments you mentioned on here before. I think we have actually met.


  • #471
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Jamsiek wrote: »
    There you go again. I pointed out where you were wrong but looks like you still don't get it.
    I’ll try again. Many parts of Canada get little or no snow all year such as Vancouver where I live and people still take shoes off at the door. It’s just the done thing here.

    Why are you constantly talking about Canada? Canada this, Canada that. Get over it.


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  • #472
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,158 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Canada is a wonderful country . Lovely people and great weather and facilities
    I am thinking of getting one of their shoe racks with a drip tray under it . So handy on wet or snowy days .


  • #473
    Jamsiek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭Jamsiek


    Gunnar Shrilling Saint wrote: »
    I picked it up from your previous posts and some of the comments you mentioned on here before. I think we have actually met.

    You didn't pick up anything.
    You're guessing.
    It's embarrassing.


  • #474
    Jamsiek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭Jamsiek


    Gunnar Shrilling Saint wrote: »
    Why are you constantly talking about Canada? Canada this, Canada that. Get over it.

    YOU are the one constantly making untrue generalizations about Canada and the "Real Europe" (wherever that is)
    Every time you make an ignorant generalization, you can expect to be corrected.


  • #475
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,158 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Jamsiek wrote: »
    You didn't pick up anything.
    You're guessing.
    It's embarrassing.

    I find toddlers who constantly seek attention by being stroppy are best ignored


  • #476
    Electric Sheep
    Registered Users Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭Electric Sheep


    Jamir Tender Self-determination wrote: »
    It wouldn’t really matter if they do it every where else in the world, the fact is that removing shoes at the door when entering a house is not the done thing for the vast majority in Ireland..

    You seem to think that's a good thing. Others differ. When you know better, you do better.


  • #477
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,714 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Electric Sheep wrote: »
    You seem to think that's a good thing. Others differ. When you know better, you do better.

    I would strongly disagree it’s “knowing better”, I think it’s stupid, awkward rule with little or no benefit enforced by people who are up their own hole.


  • #478
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Electric Sheep wrote: »
    You seem to think that's a good thing. Others differ. When you know better, you do better.

    Walking around in your socks is doing and knowing better? I fail to see the advantage.


  • #479
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Jamsiek wrote: »
    Yes. Some friends of mine have slippers for visitors if they want to wear them. Usually stolen from hotels, etc

    So now we have to bring our own slippers or wear a manky pair of hand me downs. This is going from bad to worse.


  • #480
    Jamsiek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭Jamsiek


    Gunnar Shrilling Saint wrote: »
    So now we have to bring our own slippers or wear a manky pair of hand me downs. This is going from bad to worse.

    You don't have to. It's an option.


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  • #481
    Lesalare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭Lesalare


    Gunnar Shrilling Saint wrote: »
    So now we have to bring our own slippers or wear a manky pair of hand me downs. This is going from bad to worse.

    Gunnar Shrilling Saint. Let it go. Learn when to walk away.


  • #482
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Lesalare wrote: »
    Tickers. Let it go. Learn when to walk away.

    Let what go, most people are in agreement with me. Fact of the matter is that asking, requiring or expecting visitors to remove shoes when invited to your home is not considered the norm no matter how much you bend over backwards trying to justify it. Regardless of what they do in Canada, Scandinavia or if you think it’s more hygienic or however many toddlers and dogs you have or whatever. You can come up with all the excuses you want it is still considered outside of social norms in this country and other English speaking countries for guests to remove their shoes. Keep thanking each other’s posts and circle jerking each other all day long but fact is that shoes of is considered weird and that’s a fact that you and your mates will have to get over and just let go.


  • #483
    Lesalare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭Lesalare


    I'm in agreement fully with you but I think the point has been hammered to death on both sides re. shoes on/off etc.


  • #484
    Raconteuse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    Jamir Tender Self-determination wrote: »
    I would strongly disagree it’s “knowing better”, I think it’s stupid, awkward rule with little or no benefit enforced by people who are up their own hole.
    Of course it's not knowing better. They just post in that manner.

    Anyway, yeah where it's customary to remove shoes in all cases, no issue. But it's not for Irish households (obviously with the exception of wet shoes, shoes covered in mud or when dog shyte or chewing gum was accidentally stood in). That doesn't mean no Irish person abides by it here, but It's not the standard. I have never been asked in any household here whatsoever to remove my shoes. It's most disingenuous of people to say it's the norm. If you've been away for a long time and got used to it, totally understood, but it's arrogant to force that on people when you get home, and to act as though you're so much better, particularly when you were no different before you moved away.

    It is creating discomfort for people whose shoes have no visible dirt on them, and it's a bit brainwashed/OCD. You don't have to put your mouth anywhere near the floor with its invisible dirt, and you'll be mopping it with disinfectant anyway. To say it's manky is definitely just blindly saying the thing you think sounds great to say. Being Irish and saying "oh those inferior Irish" with it is just to be a boring attention seeker.

    Can't believe someone asked would you be ok with someone smoking as a comparison... because passive shoe-wearing could lead to or exacerbate respiratory issues and is even linked with cancer? :confused:

    Because shoe-wearing stinks the place up and leaves ashes all over the place and a yellow-brown film?


  • #485
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,221 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    Gunnar Shrilling Saint wrote: »
    Or the English speaking world or continental Europe. Northern European countries maybe and Nordic countries but it's not the done thing here.

    It's done all over Germany...


  • #486
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Miriam Faithful Testosterone wrote: »
    It's done all over Germany...

    Do they speak English in Germany?


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  • #487
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Electric Sheep wrote: »
    You seem to think that's a good thing. Others differ. When you know better, you do better.

    What a pompous statement. Has anyone got any cold, hard stats that demonstrate the superiority of shoe-removal at the door in homes? Is Ireland’s health suffering by not having it as the norm? Have comparative studies been done? If there are crawling children, it makes sense. Other than that, with good hygiene practices, I don’t see the benefit. And I can pretty much guarantee that the phones and laptops of many shoe-removers on this thread are absolutely crawling and that they are cross-contaminating goodo.


  • #488
    Lillyfae
    Registered Users Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    What a pompous statement. Has anyone got any cold, hard stats that demonstrate the superiority of shoe-removal at the door in homes? Is Ireland’s health suffering by not having it as the norm? Have comparative studies been done? If there are crawling children, it makes sense. Other than that, with good hygiene practices, I don’t see the benefit. And I can pretty much guarantee that the phones and laptops of many shoe-removers on this thread are absolutely crawling and that they are cross-contaminating goodo.

    I agree that it was pompous. We do it for comfort and because shoes from outside invariably leave scuff marks or whatever but it's mainly just for our preference for a neat home. It's not difficult to do because it's part of the culture where I live and I don't force anyone to leave their shoes in a pile by the door.

    I just disagree with the OP that most families lives and houses are a mess and that one parent should/ needs to stay at home. We're busy but we prioritise a clean and comfortable home so choose to maintain it. I also disagree with people that say that I'm worried about people's perception of me or that I'm spending most of my life on housework and neglecting my child though. It's just part of our everyday life. Can't turn the living room into a dancefloor ad hoc if it's covered in Duplo all the time :D


  • #489
    Raconteuse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    How would wearing shoes affect the neatness of a home though? I just don't get the logic.

    I wear slippers myself but that's only to give my shoes a break. Visitors keep their shoes on and my home is immaculate (I'm pretty fussy about neatness and cleanliness).


  • #490
    Squall Leonhart
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭Squall Leonhart


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    I can pretty much guarantee that the phones and laptops of many shoe-removers on this thread are absolutely crawling and that they are cross-contaminating goodo.

    I was reading this and thinking eww , what is this new hell!! Goo-do. Is it like do-do, but gooey... gross! :eek:

    Ping!

    Ahh.

    Good-o :D


  • #491
    Raconteuse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    What a pompous statement. Has anyone got any cold, hard stats that demonstrate the superiority of shoe-removal at the door in homes? Is Ireland’s health suffering by not having it as the norm? Have comparative studies been done?
    There's cold hard evidence that it helps nurture a sense of smug superiority for some.


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  • #492
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Raconteuse wrote: »
    How would wearing shoes affect the neatness of a home though? I just don't get the logic.

    I wear slippers myself but that's only to give my shoes a break. Visitors keep their shoes on and my home is immaculate (I'm pretty fussy about neatness and cleanliness).

    I've lived in both. There is less cleaning needed if different footwear is worn inside. I'm not fussed but between the dog, kids, husband and woods on our doorstep at least kitchen floor where everyone badges in needs to be cleaned more often. (For some reason only sales people and Jehovah Witnesses use front door.) I insisted on no carpet precisely because we wear shoes inside.


  • #493
    Raconteuse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    Yeah I prefer no carpet as I've allergies and it traps dust. I only find hairs (mine, as I've really long hair and need to cut it soon) and crumbs and fluff on my floors though. No visible outside dirt. Probably because I've a good shoe wiping door mat.


  • #494
    jester77
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,264 ✭✭✭✭jester77


    You really can't beat coming in on a cold day, taking off your shoes and having the underfloor heating warm up your feet as you walk around. Leaving on shoes would be denying one self that pleasure.


  • #495
    Raconteuse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    I've radiators.


  • #496
    NSAman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,442 ✭✭✭NSAman


    Raconteuse wrote: »
    I've radiators.

    *gives that knowing look of disgust*


  • #497
    JupiterKid
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,897 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    This therad should be retitled "Do You Allow Guests To Wear Their Shoes in your House and If Not: Defend Your Anally Retentive Policy"

    Lol

    Can a new thread be created and we might get back to people being judgy about the perceived state of cleanliness and tidiness of one's abode? :D


  • #498
    ArnoldJRimmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭ArnoldJRimmer


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    This therad should be retitled "Do You Allow Guests To Wear Their Shoes in your House and If Not: Defend Your Anally Retentive Policy"

    Lol

    Can a new thread be created and we might get back to people being judgy about the perceived state of cleanliness and tidiness of one's abode? :D

    In fairness, it hasn't got quite as nasty as the thread a few years ago asking how often you change your sheets. That got really heated


  • #499
    NSAman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,442 ✭✭✭NSAman


    ArnoldJRimmer wrote: »
    In fairness, it hasn't got quite as nasty as the thread a few years ago asking how often you change your sheets. That got really heated

    Thank Gawd you said Heated... "messy" could have been misconstrued.


  • #500
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    NSAman wrote: »
    Thank Gawd you said Heated... "messy" could have been misconstrued.

    That’s a topic for another thread. Irish people who don’t turn on the heating because it’s “too expensive”.


  • #501
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Lillyfae wrote: »
    I agree that it was pompous. We do it for comfort and because shoes from outside invariably leave scuff marks or whatever but it's mainly just for our preference for a neat home. It's not difficult to do because it's part of the culture where I live and I don't force anyone to leave their shoes in a pile by the door.

    I just disagree with the OP that most families lives and houses are a mess and that one parent should/ needs to stay at home. We're busy but we prioritise a clean and comfortable home so choose to maintain it. I also disagree with people that say that I'm worried about people's perception of me or that I'm spending most of my life on housework and neglecting my child though. It's just part of our everyday life. Can't turn the living room into a dancefloor ad hoc if it's covered in Duplo all the time :D

    I understand that. I actually wear shoes as little as possible. And socks actually. If I could get away with never wearing shoes, I would. But I don’t expect anyone else to go shoeless in my home, that’s all.


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