Cities around the world that are reducing car access

cgcsb · 01-11-2018 3:25pm

The baggot st situation is really grotesque. DCC needs to either widen the footpath there or close down those cafes/restaurants, it is not safe. One bus lane and one cycle lane is sufficient. Yet the whole thing is for cars and pedestrians have to dodge the trucks.

green shoots · 01-11-2018 3:28pm

cgcsb wrote: »

The baggot st situation is really grotesque. DCC needs to either widen the footpath there or close down those cafes/restaurants, it is not safe. One bus lane and one cycle lane is sufficient. Yet the whole thing is for cars and pedestrians have to dodge the trucks.

It's really bad. Having cars speeding through that street where people are dodging each other on the cramped footpath isn't going to end well. Dame St too. Way too small for pedestrians. This city and government are hopeless.

MJohnston · 01-11-2018 6:50pm

"Why walkable cities are good for the economy, according to a city planner"

"People spend more money when cities are less vehicle-oriented."

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/the-goods/2018/10/26/18025000/walkable-city-walk-score-economy?__twitter_impression=true

SeanW · 03-11-2018 2:13pm

cgcsb wrote: »

And as soon as road space is taken from cars and given to buses cyclists and pedestrians, that will change.

Not sure where you're going with this??

Isn't there a rule against making like 10 posts in a row or something? At any rate, you and green_shoots made a few of the same points so I will deal with them together.

green shoots wrote: »

The city centre is way too car orientated. I am regularly on lower baggot st during the day. The part around where Merrion St meets lower baggot st is barely 4 foot wide in parts and it leads to cramming on the footpath and buses and trucks turning corners while nearly crushing pedestrians. Meanwhile there are 2 lanes of traffic flying down in one direction.
Why can't pedestrians and bikes be prioritised here? One lane is surely enough, and the paths can be widened.

I take it you are both cyclists? Telling everyone to "get on your bike" isn't a solution to traffic problems and slow commutes. It never has been, anywhere and it never will be. Even in those uber-progressive cities referenced elsewhere, adding provisions for cyclists and removing car access is only part of the solution.

Dublin has been removing space from people who drive. Not, perhaps as much as some might like but it has been happening, yet continuously everything gets slower and everyone's commute gets longer. Why?

All of the point I've raised above are inter-related. Most European capital cities already have extensive rail-based public transport. In both Munich and Berlin for example, they have a central collector arteries for trains from all over the region to run through the city centre and continue out to suburbs on the other side of town. Berlin's version is overground, and Munich built the "Stammstrecke" in the 1970s and is now adding a second to compliment the first. London is building its city "Crossrail" line. Irish Rail proposed the Dart Underground to match, but that is not even on the agenda until at least 2028. That means we'll be lucky to see the Dublin Crossrail/Stammstrecke this side of 2040. All of the cities mentioned here already have extensive Metro systems and some also have an extensive network of trams. None, only Dublin, use trams for long distance travel (e.g Brides Glen to Broadstone or Tallaght to the city centre. Anywhere else, such flows would be accommodated by a rapid transit system with trams limited to the CC and inner urban core areas (e.g. inside the M50 only). Yet even the proposed Metro will basically be a tram in Swords ...

There is not just a deficit of public transport options, but also an accommodation crisis causing many people to have to commute longer from places where only cars are an option.

The person who drives is not the cause of any of this. Trying to "encourage" a person to leave the car at home won't help if there isn't for example a metro, regional rapid transit or fast bus to replace it. And that can't be fixed without capital expenditure.

Edit: Agreed about the Baggot St. mess, the one way part of it is lethal. It strikes me that the driving lanes are much wider than they need to be though ...

MJohnston · 03-11-2018 2:44pm

SeanW wrote: »

Dublin has been removing space from people who drive. Not, perhaps as much as some might like but it has been happening, yet continuously everything gets slower and everyone's commute gets longer. Why?

Because they half-assed it. They added a bus lane on the Quays, but they made it complex and didn't bother accounting for private vehicles turning across the bus lanes, nor for the fact that the previously existing bus lane was mostly used for stops, nor for the fact that the buses were still blocked by private vehicles on streets leading off of the Quays, nor for the fact that the Luas Cross City would be opening.

What needed to happen was what was originally proposed, and will continue to become more and more necessary. One big mistake DCC made was calling it the "Liffey Cycle Route" when it was far more important for buses.

AndrewJRenko · 03-11-2018 3:24pm

SeanW wrote: »

Isn't there a rule against making like 10 posts in a row or something? At any rate, you and green_shoots made a few of the same points so I will deal with them together.

I take it you are both cyclists? Telling everyone to "get on your bike" isn't a solution to traffic problems and slow commutes. It never has been, anywhere and it never will be. Even in those uber-progressive cities referenced elsewhere, adding provisions for cyclists and removing car access is only part of the solution.

Dublin has been removing space from people who drive. Not, perhaps as much as some might like but it has been happening, yet continuously everything gets slower and everyone's commute gets longer. Why?

All of the point I've raised above are inter-related. Most European capital cities already have extensive rail-based public transport. In both Munich and Berlin for example, they have a central collector arteries for trains from all over the region to run through the city centre and continue out to suburbs on the other side of town. Berlin's version is overground, and Munich built the "Stammstrecke" in the 1970s and is now adding a second to compliment the first. London is building its city "Crossrail" line. Irish Rail proposed the Dart Underground to match, but that is not even on the agenda until at least 2028. That means we'll be lucky to see the Dublin Crossrail/Stammstrecke this side of 2040. All of the cities mentioned here already have extensive Metro systems and some also have an extensive network of trams. None, only Dublin, use trams for long distance travel (e.g Brides Glen to Broadstone or Tallaght to the city centre. Anywhere else, such flows would be accommodated by a rapid transit system with trams limited to the CC and inner urban core areas (e.g. inside the M50 only). Yet even the proposed Metro will basically be a tram in Swords ...

There is not just a deficit of public transport options, but also an accommodation crisis causing many people to have to commute longer from places where only cars are an option.

The person who drives is not the cause of any of this. Trying to "encourage" a person to leave the car at home won't help if there isn't for example a metro, regional rapid transit or fast bus to replace it. And that can't be fixed without capital expenditure.

Edit: Agreed about the Baggot St. mess, the one way part of it is lethal. It strikes me that the driving lanes are much wider than they need to be though ...

While there is some truth in some of what you say about transport demands, we are still, as a society, hopelessly addicted to car travel.

Half of travellers are using cars for journeys under 2km. You'd probably be quicker walking, and you'd definitely be quicker cycling.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/more-than-half-of-travellers-use-cars-for-journeys-under-2km-1.2303451

green shoots · 04-11-2018 4:22pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

While there is some truth in some of what you say about transport demands, we are still, as a society, hopelessly addicted to car travel.

Half of travellers are using cars for journeys under 2km. You'd probably be quicker walking, and you'd definitely be quicker cycling.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/more-than-half-of-travellers-use-cars-for-journeys-under-2km-1.2303451

And to make matters worse they're usually driving filthy polluting diesel Ford Transits and the likes.

P_1 · 04-11-2018 5:09pm

SeanW wrote: »

Isn't there a rule against making like 10 posts in a row or something? At any rate, you and green_shoots made a few of the same points so I will deal with them together.

I take it you are both cyclists? Telling everyone to "get on your bike" isn't a solution to traffic problems and slow commutes. It never has been, anywhere and it never will be. Even in those uber-progressive cities referenced elsewhere, adding provisions for cyclists and removing car access is only part of the solution.

Dublin has been removing space from people who drive. Not, perhaps as much as some might like but it has been happening, yet continuously everything gets slower and everyone's commute gets longer. Why?

All of the point I've raised above are inter-related. Most European capital cities already have extensive rail-based public transport. In both Munich and Berlin for example, they have a central collector arteries for trains from all over the region to run through the city centre and continue out to suburbs on the other side of town. Berlin's version is overground, and Munich built the "Stammstrecke" in the 1970s and is now adding a second to compliment the first. London is building its city "Crossrail" line. Irish Rail proposed the Dart Underground to match, but that is not even on the agenda until at least 2028. That means we'll be lucky to see the Dublin Crossrail/Stammstrecke this side of 2040. All of the cities mentioned here already have extensive Metro systems and some also have an extensive network of trams. None, only Dublin, use trams for long distance travel (e.g Brides Glen to Broadstone or Tallaght to the city centre. Anywhere else, such flows would be accommodated by a rapid transit system with trams limited to the CC and inner urban core areas (e.g. inside the M50 only). Yet even the proposed Metro will basically be a tram in Swords ...

There is not just a deficit of public transport options, but also an accommodation crisis causing many people to have to commute longer from places where only cars are an option.

The person who drives is not the cause of any of this. Trying to "encourage" a person to leave the car at home won't help if there isn't for example a metro, regional rapid transit or fast bus to replace it. And that can't be fixed without capital expenditure.

Edit: Agreed about the Baggot St. mess, the one way part of it is lethal. It strikes me that the driving lanes are much wider than they need to be though ...

You fix this by building massive car parks near every M50 junction. Then you put a bus service in place where a bus leaves this carpark going to the city center at 5 minute frequencies. Every road going from the M50 to town has a bus lane so the journey into town from the carpark should take no more than 15 minutes Implement a toll for using using the quays at rush hour and ringfence all funds raised from this toll to be spent only on the bus infrastructure going from the car parks to the city center.

All busses go to the coach park beside Docklands train station and all busses leave from it in the evening rush hour.

SeanW · 04-11-2018 7:18pm

I can tell you from first hand experience that more re-configuration of the surface area will not work. If you have to commute by bus from anywhere North of the Liffey to the Southern City Centre, clearing the D'Olier/Westmoreland Street mess will add at least half an hour to your journey. And it has been getting worse over the years. This despite the fact that there is a "bus gate" and that cars are prohibited from key parts of the area in peak times.

Why might this be? Could it be that a new tram line (while welcome, but it should have been the Metro and underground) took up half the road space and left all the buses, cyclists etc. fighting over what was left?

Reconfiguring the surface streets without major capital expenditure will accomplish very little at this point. In fact, as it did around college green, it might make everything worse. The person who drives a car is not the problem here, or at the very least not the root problem. The lack of rapid transport infrastructure (DARTs, Metro etc) is.

P_1 · 04-11-2018 10:18pm

SeanW wrote: »

I can tell you from first hand experience that more re-configuration of the surface area will not work. If you have to commute by bus from anywhere North of the Liffey to the Southern City Centre, clearing the D'Olier/Westmoreland Street mess will add at least half an hour to your journey. And it has been getting worse over the years. This despite the fact that there is a "bus gate" and that cars are prohibited from key parts of the area in peak times.

Why might this be? Could it be that a new tram line (while welcome, but it should have been the Metro and underground) took up half the road space and left all the buses, cyclists etc. fighting over what was left?

Reconfiguring the surface streets without major capital expenditure will accomplish very little at this point. In fact, as it did around college green, it might make everything worse. The person who drives a car is not the problem here, or at the very least not the root problem. The lack of rapid transport infrastructure (DARTs, Metro etc) is.

True. In hindsight the luas should either have gone through Trinity or underground

cgcsb · 05-11-2018 10:43am

green shoots wrote: »

It's really bad. Having cars speeding through that street where people are dodging each other on the cramped footpath isn't going to end well. Dame St too. Way too small for pedestrians. This city and government are hopeless.

It'll take someone getting killed for something to be done

MJohnston · 05-11-2018 10:50am

cgcsb wrote: »

It'll take someone getting killed for something to be done

Numerous cyclist deaths on the Quays suggest that even that won't be enough to spur DCC into action.

cgcsb · 05-11-2018 10:56am

SeanW wrote: »

I take it you are both cyclists? Telling everyone to "get on your bike" isn't a solution to traffic problems and slow commutes. It never has been, anywhere and it never will be.

That's not what I said. Getting our cycling modal share up to 40% should be a goal. That doesn't mean I'm 'telling everyone to get on your bike'. Most commutes in greater Dublin are shorter than 10km, making cycling very attractive. We should be aiming for a high modal share for bikes.

Is cycling the ONLY solution, no, but it's a large chunk of it. It's also the cheapest way to bring about real change. Unlike those other Cities, Dublin is effectively ruled by culchies that use it as a cash cow. They don't want to spend money in Dublin on infrastructure. Even our local property tax, is 'redistributed' to other parts of the country, in the interest of 'fairness'. I think Dublin is just going to have to gain some form of self-governance before any serious money will be spent on the City.

SeanW wrote: »

Dublin has been removing space from people who drive. Not, perhaps as much as some might like but it has been happening, yet continuously everything gets slower and everyone's commute gets longer. Why?

I don't think that's accurate. The little road space that has been re-allocated from cars to sustainable modes in the VERY recent past has, in effect, been taken over by cars. We live in a land where virtually no rules are enforced. Even the college green, time-limited, bus gate is only theoretical. The new 24 bus lane on the north quays is also only theoretical, it's usually chockers with Audis.
Bicycle lanes, painted on, are either parking areas, used by hazzard light enthusiasts or they are just painted on over half a car lane.

blanch152 · 07-11-2018 1:03pm

cgcsb wrote: »

That's not what I said. Getting our cycling modal share up to 40% should be a goal. That doesn't mean I'm 'telling everyone to get on your bike'. Most commutes in greater Dublin are shorter than 10km, making cycling very attractive. We should be aiming for a high modal share for bikes.

Is cycling the ONLY solution, no, but it's a large chunk of it. It's also the cheapest way to bring about real change. Unlike those other Cities, Dublin is effectively ruled by culchies that use it as a cash cow. They don't want to spend money in Dublin on infrastructure. Even our local property tax, is 'redistributed' to other parts of the country, in the interest of 'fairness'. I think Dublin is just going to have to gain some form of self-governance before any serious money will be spent on the City.

I don't think that's accurate. The little road space that has been re-allocated from cars to sustainable modes in the VERY recent past has, in effect, been taken over by cars. We live in a land where virtually no rules are enforced. Even the college green, time-limited, bus gate is only theoretical. The new 24 bus lane on the north quays is also only theoretical, it's usually chockers with Audis.
Bicycle lanes, painted on, are either parking areas, used by hazzard light enthusiasts or they are just painted on over half a car lane.

Where were all the cyclists today?

Usually I get obstructed by a few walking around the city centre but they all seem to have disappeared. What happened?

MJohnston · 07-11-2018 1:50pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Where were all the cyclists today?

Usually I get obstructed by a few walking around the city centre but they all seem to have disappeared. What happened?

I saw plenty of them when I cycled in this morning. A lot fewer Dublin Bikes users thankfully, but still plenty of actual cyclists.

It's not really that bad cycling in the rain, as long as your employer offers changing facilities in the office you just wear cycling clothes and then change into dry clothes when you get in.

The only issues I find with rain cycling is that I have all-weather road tires, and you just cannot hit a manhole cover on those things while turning sharply, or it's like ice.

RayCun · 07-11-2018 2:58pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Where were all the cyclists today?

Fewer cyclists today, sure, but you don't often get rain as heavy as today. Yesterday and today were the first times in months that I've had to change out of wet gear at the end of my trip.

I don't want to think how much longer a bus or car journey would have taken today.

cgcsb · 07-11-2018 3:26pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Where were all the cyclists today?

Usually I get obstructed by a few walking around the city centre but they all seem to have disappeared. What happened?

I was cycling anyway. They probably were dissuaded by the rain and the fact that 'cycle lanes' are infact drainage for the carriageway, owing to poor design and increased perception of danger.

cgcsb · 07-11-2018 3:28pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Where were all the cyclists today?

where were the cars yesterday after the N4 had that crash?

ED E · 07-11-2018 3:34pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Where were all the cyclists today?

Have a read, plenty still on the bike today.

https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=%23NTcommuter&src=typd

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AndrewJRenko · 07-11-2018 3:58pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Where were all the cyclists today?

Usually I get obstructed by a few walking around the city centre but they all seem to have disappeared. What happened?

I was the one in the bike lane, passing the long line of cars going nowhere. With the leaves blocking the drains, there was lots of pooled water, so my runners were soaked, for the second time this year. All the gear is drying out now, and I brought spare socks, just in case.

Looks like it should be drier for the home journey.

cgcsb · 07-11-2018 6:23pm

bringing spare socks is the key. Just let your stuff dry in the office and wait for all the numpties to arrive in their cars, if ever.

AndrewJRenko · 08-11-2018 12:02am

cgcsb wrote: »

bringing spare socks is the key. Just let your stuff dry in the office and wait for all the numpties to arrive in their cars, if ever.

The socks were a help for sure, but dry socks into wet runners doesn't get you too far!

For next time, I'm going to make sure that I have a newspaper in the office, so I can stuff the runners in the morning and draw out the moisture.

snotboogie · 10-11-2018 2:17pm

On the rain issue, are sheltered cycle lanes a possibility here? I was in Seville recently and enjoyed their fully segregated bike lanes. If you had some lanes with full segregation, wouldn’t covering them be a relatively inexpensive addition that would make them much more attractive. I’m thinking less like the high spec Berlin solution and more like how Singapore shelters it’s walkways: https://goo.gl/images/gKy4PC

RayCun · 10-11-2018 5:43pm

It would actually be a hugely expensive addition.

cgcsb · 13-11-2018 11:02am

snotboogie wrote: »

On the rain issue, are sheltered cycle lanes a possibility here? I was in Seville recently and enjoyed their fully segregated bike lanes. If you had some lanes with full segregation, wouldn’t covering them be a relatively inexpensive addition that would make them much more attractive. I’m thinking less like the high spec Berlin solution and more like how Singapore shelters it’s walkways: https://goo.gl/images/gKy4PC

Covering Dublin's few usable cycle lanes from the rain is like polishing sh1te. For the money it'd cost we could vastly increase the km length of usable cycle lanes.

CatInABox · 13-11-2018 11:21am

cgcsb wrote: »

Covering Dublin's few usable cycle lanes from the rain is like polishing sh1te. For the money it'd cost we could vastly increase the km length of usable cycle lanes.

Yeah, it'd be cheaper to buy everyone in Dublin rain gear.

spacetweek · 19-11-2018 8:41pm

CatInABox wrote: »

Yeah, it'd be cheaper to buy everyone in Dublin rain gear.

Also it rains far less often than is commonly assumed in Ireland, especially in the east. Although it rains 200 days a year in Dublin, if it rains only once for 10 minutes in a 24 hour period, that counts as a "rainy day." The chances of you being on your bike then are slim.

spacetweek · 19-11-2018 8:47pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

For next time, I'm going to make sure that I have a newspaper in the office, so I can stuff the runners in the morning and draw out the moisture.

I used to dry my runners off by putting them on my computer in work to dry, but they've replaced it with a much smaller more energy-efficient one that doesn't vent warm air anymore so now I don't have that option!

cgcsb · 20-11-2018 10:40am

spacetweek wrote: »

Also it rains far less often than is commonly assumed in Ireland, especially in the east. Although it rains 200 days a year in Dublin, if it rains only once for 10 minutes in a 24 hour period, that counts as a "rainy day." The chances of you being on your bike then are slim.

200 days you say?? I wouldn't have thought that. I'd say I'm cycling in the rain on less than 10% of my commutes.

MJohnston · 20-11-2018 11:03am

cgcsb wrote: »

200 days you say?? I wouldn't have thought that. I'd say I'm cycling in the rain on less than 10% of my commutes.

I think that's to do with the second part of that post

Average of 130 days where there is more than 1.0mm of rain.

cgcsb · 20-11-2018 11:04am

MJohnston wrote: »

I think that's to do with the second part of that post

Average of 130 days where there is more than 1.0mm of rain.

Yes indeed, I'm just surprised it's that high. I guess it must rain a lot in the middle of the night, without me noticing.

RayCun · 20-11-2018 11:10am

There was plenty of rain this morning, but most of it before or after my journey. Some rain while I cycled but I was dry when I got in.
There are a lot of days like that.

MJohnston · 20-11-2018 11:16am

cgcsb wrote: »

Yes indeed, I'm just surprised it's that high. I guess it must rain a lot in the middle of the night, without me noticing.

I think it's just that it's fairly rare for Dublin to get a constantly rainy day, we're more likely to have convective showery rain. So because you're likely only cycling for about 1 hour or so a day, and only on weekdays, the probability is pretty low that it's going to coincide with rain.

LeinsterDub · 20-11-2018 1:07pm

Posted this before but here's some stats http://irishcycle.com/myths/myths-weather/

redfacedbear · 30-11-2018 4:26pm

'It's the only way forward': Madrid Bans polluting vehicles from city centre

Pre-2000 Petrol vehicles and pre-2006 Diesels banned from the city centre in an effort to reduce NO2 pollution. Only zero emission vehicles will have their current access unchanged (or at least that's my reading of it).

Bray Head · 06-12-2018 8:41pm

I just don't think the air quality argument is particularly convincing for Ireland.

Ireland does not have big cities, and all cities are on the coast and are therefore reasonably windy. There aren't many tall buildings to trap poor air either.

Build-ups of particulates don't really take place the way you would have in a big German city with lots of skyscrapers on a cold, still day in January.

For NO2, for example, you don't see breaches of threshold concentration of 40 µg/m3 in Ireland, and it's regularly breached all over Europe. See here.

I think there is a very good case for congestion pricing in Dublin city centre. But that would be to make the city a more attractive place to live and work. Air quality would be a bonus, but it wouldn't be the main factor.

AndrewJRenko · 06-12-2018 8:56pm

Bray Head wrote: »

I just don't think the air quality argument is particularly convincing for Ireland.

The EEPA reported that we had over 1,500 premature deaths due to air quality each year.

bk · 07-12-2018 3:43pm

Bray Head wrote: »

I just don't think the air quality argument is particularly convincing for Ireland.

Ireland does not have big cities, and all cities are on the coast and are therefore reasonably windy. There aren't many tall buildings to trap poor air either.

Dublin regularly breaches WHO emission guidelines:
https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/0914/993808-air-pollution/

Now admittedly heating is more the cause of this then cars. But cars certainly don't help and I believe the effect is much worse locally along busy city center streets.

The fact that last year 75% of new car sales were Diesel, one of the highest figures in Europe is just mad and is certainly making things much worse.

MJohnston · 07-12-2018 4:26pm

Well of course, ironically we're all mad for diesel cars because of the policies of the Green Party's time in government...

AndrewJRenko · 07-12-2018 7:43pm

bk wrote: »

Bray Head wrote: »

I just don't think the air quality argument is particularly convincing for Ireland.

Ireland does not have big cities, and all cities are on the coast and are therefore reasonably windy. There aren't many tall buildings to trap poor air either.

Dublin regularly breaches WHO emission guidelines:
https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/0914/993808-air-pollution/

The fact that last year 75% of new car sales were Diesel, one of the highest figures in Europe is just mad and is certainly making things much worse.

Including the new Garda Roads Policing fleet.

Carlingford Locked · 15-12-2018 2:21pm

Does anyone know why there's so little space provided to pedestrians on Dame St and on Nassau st? It can get very cramped and pushes people out onto the roads and into danger.

MJohnston · 15-12-2018 3:30pm

Carlingford Locked wrote: »

Does anyone know why there's so little space provided to pedestrians on Dame St and on Nassau st? It can get very cramped and pushes people out onto the roads and into danger.

For cars.

Carlingford Locked · 15-12-2018 7:02pm

MJohnston wrote: »

For cars.

I just don't understand why they get priority in a city centre?

MJohnston · 15-12-2018 7:06pm

Carlingford Locked wrote: »

I just don't understand why they get priority in a city centre?

I mean, you're preaching to the choir here. They continue to get priority because the multi-storey car park owners and the AA wield too much influence over Dublin City Council.

Carlingford Locked · 15-12-2018 7:46pm

I see. Car drivers will argue that there aren't alternative methods to travel though. I would agree with them to a certain extent.
Our city is so poorly designed, with semi-D land starting as soon as you step out of the very centre of town. I think we would need a massive infrastructure project that would require CPOing a LOT of properties, to have proper arteries in and out of the city for cars and public transport etc. That will never happen because politicians are not ballsy enough in this country and too many people would protest. You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs etc.
So I can't see how it will ever change.

AndrewJRenko · 16-12-2018 1:48am

Carlingford Locked wrote: »

Does anyone know why there's so little space provided to pedestrians on Dame St and on Nassau st? It can get very cramped and pushes people out onto the roads and into danger.

Same for half the city - Baggot St, Merrion Row, Westland Row, Dame St

AndrewJRenko · 24-12-2018 12:49am

Interesting little case study;

https://www.facebook.com/worldeconomicforum/videos/266689010625744/?hc_ref=ARQRNUM65uPyrLqg5d9WsNcRJj72Gr6Rb-2dXoSVqQ-wO_t9NMSDSA6aNgpwluQ0hLw&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARBw-ajxA5Czz36dyvfTRIRlRcjQBOUd4jtmhha9Jc4_E_JbVqG-Fx5tksABUH9l0MCKH415eAbWGhHUeRTeyaT6ucZH0MJw8K-w04qPM-pyMrUt9mEBwUIObFuM-QvGgpGOjhRA5nAKelHJjwto2julg3m1O_rBFAhKN68nrTTLYHrE-Gue6HDfCyT-6pThZ7Gp_XHMKWJ6aQLZWPfYEI3pNWRT7QZKDTmfVtEJzRom5Rwx04BceHSH1x0Zgfc1rfeskxymoe_x9kjdgFSUgeL-AKlDvJimOlEhQyngPmZrqq3P65tR7HsjG-0dwBFgUc3bE7kQb7KU1YnQ8wecdv4gZawrXlDtywb2Ct1ksjYLAlqP1fNm&__tn__=FC-R

AugustusMinimus · 24-12-2018 9:52am

I haven’t seen it mentioned but I wonder if the Paris Car ban is also a grievance for the yellow vest movement in France?

02-01-2019 2:49pm

MJohnston wrote: »

I mean, you're preaching to the choir here. They continue to get priority because the multi-storey car park owners and the AA wield too much influence over Dublin City Council.

It's not shoppers causing gridlock the vast majority of the year, it's people commuting via car. The city could easily downsize major thoroughfares and still cater to people driving into the city to do a bit of shopping and have a meal.

cgcsb · 02-01-2019 2:54pm

I get the feeling the city is sort of paralised in terms of change. We can't sort out the South William St area until we know what's happening with bus connects, and we can't get on with that because of politics and we can't get on college green because we cant get on with banning cars from the quays which we cant do until the liffey cycle route is done, which brings us back to busconnects and so on. Just a bit of movement on sorting these issues would be nice.

Cities around the world that are reducing car access

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