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Cities around the world that are reducing car access

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭SeanW


    MJohnston wrote: »
    It doesn't have to be compared to anything, this thread is just about the general topic of cities that are banning cars!
    The fact that this is on boards.ie and not boards.no or boards.es suggests some connection with Ireland? Which would be very strange.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,363 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    SeanW wrote: »
    The fact that this is on boards.ie and not boards.no or boards.es suggests some connection with Ireland? Which would be very strange.
    You've noticed all the posts here about UK football teams, the WTC collapse, the US College bribery scandal, UEFA Europa league and more, right?


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    SeanW wrote: »
    The fact that this is on boards.ie and not boards.no or boards.es suggests some connection with Ireland? Which would be very strange.

    Nope! I'm sure we can relate many of the things back to Ireland, but it's still interesting to read about what other countries are doing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    SeanW wrote: »
    Madrid's public transport system is even more extensive than that of Oslo.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrid#Transport
    Madrid has 13!! Metro lines, 10 regional commuter lines and 4 "Light Metro" lines (basically like the Luas).

    What exactly are you comparing Madrid to?

    Madrid is a massive Urban area though. Oslo is smaller than Dublin in population for context and has a gigantic rail network


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Really interesting read about Barcelona's plans to get cars out of their city using superblocks:
    https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2019/4/9/18300797/barcelona-spain-superblocks-urban-plan


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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,851 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Removing car access to Irish cities can help increase biking numbers and reduce air pollution that kills.

    What sort of morons object to this?


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston




  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,232 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    The Parnell Square redevelopment has just gotten approved by ABP, which I'm delighted about, hopefully it sparks a renaissance around there.

    One of the interesting things that came out of the approval was the single revision that ABP placed on the scheme: DCC had wanted to reduce the number of lanes to two, but ABP said that it has to be one, and that there should be a two way segregated cycle track there.

    See here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Great news, now get building. The west side of Parnell square is a disaster for pedestrians, this needs to be improved radically, pedestrian movements from North Parnell Square to Moor Lane, where the new Hammerson development will be, should be seamless. The site beside the Jury's Inn there would make a nice pedestrian space and entryway into the proposed scheme.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,463 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Looks great, and makes sense to have just one lane, it is rarely a busy street nowadays, I can't remember the last time I saw two cars side by side on it.

    A pity they can't make it entirely pedestrian.

    Also a pity this doesn't include Parnell Square East and West. They should really be doubling the width of the footpaths on those streets. There really isn't the need for these streets to be this wide given how relatively lightly used they are nowadays given the restrictions around there.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Removing car access to Irish cities can help increase biking numbers and reduce air pollution that kills.

    What sort of morons object to this?
    Oh I don't know, ones that don't have any decent or accessible public transport? You're obviously thinking Dublin as other cities and towns are worse off for public access. Proper traffic planning include all the pieces not just the bits that only you can see.


  • Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭Heartbreak Hank


    Is the Rotunda hospital maternity only? If so, will services be relocated to the new one in St. Vincent's whenever that is built? Hopefully the more modern portion of it could be redeveloped for public use.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Madrid retail sales increase after car ban

    https://twitter.com/StreetsblogUSA/status/1105150248345845760
    That would also be the 365 days a year tourism, especially in the centre. Quite a few bits of it have been pedestrianised for a very long time.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 37 celtcia


    Look forward to Parnell Square seems the ditched the etched paving and totem pole.

    I just hope the Libary gets more wood to soften it internally rather than the concrete fever.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,363 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    is_that_so wrote: »
    That would also be the 365 days a year tourism, especially in the centre. Quite a few bits of it have been pedestrianised for a very long time.
    Just like Dublin so.


    Madrid is too cold in winter and too hot in summer.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,684 ✭✭✭zimmermania


    I was in Luxembourg last week for a few days and was surprised to find that all the city buses appeared to be free.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Just like Dublin so.


    Madrid is too cold in winter and too hot in summer.

    Was in Madrid in mid December gone. 15 degree highs in the day, down to about 5 or 6 at night. If you got a sheltered spot you could catch some nice rays.


  • Registered Users Posts: 383 ✭✭Alvin Holler


    Is the Rotunda hospital maternity only? If so, will services be relocated to the new one in St. Vincent's whenever that is built? Hopefully the more modern portion of it could be redeveloped for public use.

    Yeah, it's maternity hospital. The plan is to move it to blanchardstown. When that happens is anyone's guess. Holles St is moving to Vincent's, the coombe is also moving to be co-located with the new children's hospital so it may take some time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    It'd be nice to see a restoration of the square it's self. The modern parts of the hospital can be demolished, the disgusting car park at the South side can be replaced with pedestrian space. The old part of the hospital can have some new function


  • Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭Heartbreak Hank


    cgcsb wrote: »
    It'd be nice to see a restoration of the square it's self. The modern parts of the hospital can be demolished, the disgusting car park at the South side can be replaced with pedestrian space. The old part of the hospital can have some new function


    I looked at the satellite image of the square and in the hospital as it stands there is a crazy amount of space given over to parking.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,742 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    110 million for the Parnell project. To think they're spending 5 billion on broadband to facilitate one off housing. Imagine what we could do for our towns and cities with that money.
    What's the point in even discussing these things when this is what you're up against...


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    110 million for the Parnell project. To think they're spending 5 billion on broadband to facilitate one off housing. Imagine what we could do for our towns and cities with that money.
    What's the point in even discussing these things when this is what you're up against...

    I think it's €3bn but yes it is akin to the 'ruralisation' policy of the early 20th century, when it was feared that big industrial cities were 'too English'


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,363 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    cgcsb wrote: »
    Was in Madrid in mid December gone. 15 degree highs in the day, down to about 5 or 6 at night. If you got a sheltered spot you could catch some nice rays.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Madrid#Winter



    Winters in Madrid are cold compared to other parts of Spain with average temperatures of about 6-8 °C (43-46 °F) and the coldest month is January 3-6 °C (37-43 °F). The temperature during the day is around 10 °C-15 °C (50-59 °F), and the temperatures during the night often get below 0 °C (32 °F) although snow is fairly occasional.[6]


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    To get us back on topic...

    Looks like there's massive and widespread public support in Belfast for the portion of the city centre that has been closed for months, since the Primark fire, to remain pedestrianised. Here's one small sample of the support:

    https://twitter.com/belfastcc/status/1126133837933809668

    Of course, Belfast CC don't seem any more interested in human-scale cities than DCC.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,742 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    so you're telling me to do is to burn down buildings in Dublin city centre to keep cars out and make the city more liveable? Hmmmm...


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Just like Dublin so.


    Madrid is too cold in winter and too hot in summer.
    I'm pointing out it's a simplistic notion that pedestrianisation alone is the only reason for the growth.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    cgcsb wrote: »
    Was in Madrid in mid December gone. 15 degree highs in the day, down to about 5 or 6 at night. If you got a sheltered spot you could catch some nice rays.
    It actually depends. Temperatures have hit over 20C in January but also -8C at night. Equally it can rain a lot in winter.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    MJohnston wrote: »
    To get us back on topic...

    Looks like there's massive and widespread public support in Belfast for the portion of the city centre that has been closed for months, since the Primark fire, to remain pedestrianised. Here's one small sample of the support:

    https://twitter.com/belfastcc/status/1126133837933809668

    Of course, Belfast CC don't seem any more interested in human-scale cities than DCC.

    At the very least it should be bus only. Not sure Belfast has the footfall to justify a full pedestrianisation tbh. It's pretty dead most of the time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    is_that_so wrote: »
    I'm pointing out it's a simplistic notion that pedestrianisation alone is the only reason for the growth.

    I think the point the poster is making is that Madrid is no more of a 365-day tourism city than Dublin.

    In fact, at a quick glance, I would be assuming that most people go to Madrid for hot-weather holidays, which would mean it'd have a bigger spike in summer. Whereas in Dublin you see plenty of Christmas tourists, even though the weather is usually miserable.

    I would like to see some stats on this though!


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,362 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Mod: Discussion on the NBP has been moved to here.


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