GRO Records

pinkypinky · 24-05-2017 11:14am

Mod note: I take your point but this thread is not just for updates. It's also for problems with the GRO records, etc.

pinkypinky · 01-06-2017 11:49am

*Grumble*

Looking for a death of Mary Jane Cummiskey in Jan 1920. Found her in the FMP indexes as Cummuskey, but the image doesn't match the transcription on IG. Went back through the pages for all January, can't find her.

Found her: 25 pages on. Interesting to note that I went all the way through March and then there's more January pages!

shanew · 01-06-2017 12:12pm

I think the first one is Registrar's district 3 South City and the second no. 4 - doesn't explain the page no. difference 528 vs 553

RGM · 01-06-2017 10:23pm

Was there ever any official word on some of the registers being missing?

For example, If you go on FMP and search for James McFaddens born in the Dunfanaghy district, you find that people with that name were born about every year from 1912 into the 1940s. However, the next oldest result after 1912 is 1887. I have been unable to find several births in this district in that period.

pinkypinky · 01-06-2017 10:42pm

No, nothing like that.

shanew · 07-06-2017 2:17pm

not sure what I'm doing different but I see nearly 1,000 McFadden births in Dunfanaghy district on GRO/IrishGenealogy website between 1887 and 1912

RGM · 07-06-2017 3:32pm

shanew wrote: »

not sure what I'm doing different but I see nearly 1,000 McFadden births in Dunfanaghy district on GRO/IrishGenealogy website between 1887 and 1912

Hm, I don't know what I was looking at.

Well, I have a baptism record for Dominick McFadden born November 1891 in that district. Can't find a civil record. I already have the information, it's just an itch I would like to scratch.

montgo · 07-06-2017 10:01pm

Have a look here for McFaddens born in 1891 including "Unknown". Maybe a transcription error on the Christian name?

Check also 1892 births as it may not have registered until then.

pinkypinky · 17-06-2017 10:53pm

Another issue tonight with an image not matching: I've submitted an error report but who knows when they'll get round to correcting all these!

Teresa Lacey died 30/11/1914 in Dublin South (I have the burial record but wanted the death too).

I'm trying to use irishgenealogy to pull up another death in that period but it isn't playing ball. I tried setting the dates exactly and registration district without a name but it brings no results. Same if I try really common first names or surnames.

ETA: the dispensary district is Donnybrook no 2 (checked another death in the family at that address 2 years earlier).

Any thoughts? If we can figure out this, I think it'll be useful to other people.

First name(s) Teresa
Last name Lacey
Age at death 64
Birth year 1850
Registered year 1914
Registered quarter/year Oct - Dec 1914
Registration district Dublin South
Volume 2
Page 678

Name TERESA LACEY
Year of Death 1914
Group Registration ID 5402546
SR District/Reg Area Dublin South
Deceased Age at Death 64

mickmackey1 · 17-06-2017 11:18pm

Would you believe I've also searched unsuccessfully for someone who died 30/11/1914??!! It's a small world. But my request doesn't even appear in the search results.

tabbey · 18-06-2017 9:39pm

mickmackey1 wrote: »

Would you believe I've also searched unsuccessfully for someone who died 30/11/1914??!! It's a small world. But my request doesn't even appear in the search results.

The date of death is irrelevant, the date of registration is the deciding factor, possibly years later.

shanew · 19-06-2017 8:55am

pinkypinky wrote: »

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Teresa Lacey died 30/11/1914 in Dublin South (I have the burial record but wanted the death too).
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ETA: the dispensary district is Donnybrook no 2 (checked another death in the family at that address 2 years earlier).

Any thoughts? If we can figure out this, I think it'll be useful to other people.
.....

still having a look for this death - no luck so far.. think the original index is incorrect..

did you spot any other entries for 4th Qtr South Dublin/Donnybrook 1 or 2 is your searches ?

ETA - for ref :

Dublin North - deaths_1914/05289/4470032.pdf
Dublin South / Clondalkin deaths_1914/05289/4470033.pdf deaths_1914/05289/4470036.pdf
Dublin South / Crumlin deaths_1914/05289/4470036.pdf
Dublin South / Donnybrook No. 1 deaths_1914/05289/4470037.pdf /deaths_1914/05289/4470046.pdf
Dublin South / Donnybrook No. 2 deaths_1914/05289/4470047.pdf
Dublin South / ???? deaths_1914/05289/4470048.pdf deaths_1914/05289/4470049.pdf
[blank] deaths_1914/05289/4470050.pdf
Dublin South / New Kilmainham deaths_1914/05289/4470053.pdf
[blank] deaths_1914/05289/4470054.pdf
Dublin South / Rathfarnham deaths_1914/05289/4470055.pdf deaths_1914/05289/4470055.pdf
[blank] deaths_1914/05289/4470056.pdf
Dublin South / Rathmines No. 1 deaths_1914/05289/4470057.pdf deaths_1914/05289/4470063.pdf
[blank] deaths_1914/05289/4470064.pdf
Dublin South / Rathmines No. 2 deaths_1914/05289/4470065.pdf deaths_1914/05289/4470076.pdf
Dublin South / Tallaght deaths_1914/05289/4470077.pdf
[blank] deaths_1914/05289/4470078.pdf
Dublin South / No. 1 deaths_1914/05289/4470079.pdf deaths_1914/05289/4470122.pdf
Dublin South / No. 2 deaths_1914/05289/4470123.pdf deaths_1914/05289/4470128.pdf
Dublin South / No. 3 deaths_1914/05289/4470129.pdf deaths_1914/05289/4470154.pdf
Dublin South / No. 4 deaths_1914/05289/4470155.pdf /deaths_1914/05289/4470174.pdf
Dundalk / Barronstown deaths_1914/05289/4470175.pdf

pinkypinky · 19-06-2017 9:48am

None at all - and thank you for looking so hard!

shanew · 19-06-2017 10:33am

I suppose the death could be in one of the other sub-districts if she were in a hospital - but no sign of her in either of the Donnybrook districts - didn't view the others in as much detail. Pages 4470047.pdf to 4470049.pdf cover the third qtr of 1914 for Donnybrook No. 2, there is one Lacey on the 2nd page

shanew · 19-06-2017 10:38am

found her!! page is 478, S. City No. 1 - 2nd last record on this page

pinkypinky · 19-06-2017 10:53am

I did some further digging on her and found she was in the South Dublin workhouse a couple of times with rheumatism. It's possible she died there.

pinkypinky · 19-06-2017 11:02am

Shane - you absolute star! Thank you so much.
If there was a gold star poster award, you would surely get it.

And it's funny that I had just said, she might have died in the workhouse!

shanew · 19-06-2017 5:30pm

for the generic searches I use the FamilySearch Index, just enter the district and year, then look for any records matching the year, or year & quarter, of interest, preferably with a less common name (the IrishGen search is more picky for names than FS). The FamilySearch search is not good with overlapping district / county names - e.g. Wexford, Cork etc, which can give more results than intended.

In Lacey case the page linked looked correct as the number matched, and there were Dublin South records in the same image sequence. I've seen at other cases where the page number or volume given on the index was wrong - those with incorrect volume are usually easy to spot as they dont match other records in the same timeframe & district. Incorrect page numbers usually seem to be due to misreadings e.g. noting a 3 as a 5, or 8 etc. This one seems to be a mistake - reading a 4 as a six doesn't seem likely - maybe some terrible handwriting. I wonder if the original index book also has 678 ? seems strange that both FamilySearch and GRO got this one wrong

I'd expect there are at least a few mistakes in the original index when the book were compiled - Id love to have seen the index being complied and how the big lists of names were sorted alphabetically!

cobham · 31-07-2017 12:56pm

It was great to see the actual certs online so handily. But also a lot have no images available. Are these being gradually added to or have we had our lot?

Hermy · 31-07-2017 1:11pm

Marriages before 1882 and deaths before 1891 are not yet available but will be added at some future date.

pinkypinky · 31-07-2017 2:07pm

Threads merged. We like to keep all comments on the GRO records in one place, otherwise the natives get restless!

VirginiaB · 04-09-2017 9:18pm

Does anyone have any idea when 19c civil records will appear in images on Irishgenealogy.ie? That is, marriages before 1882 and deaths before 1891? They are really essential for many, especially for those of us whose ancestors emigrated during the Famine and aftermath. Family who remained in Ireland had died before those cut-off dates.

pinkypinky · 04-09-2017 9:24pm

Threads merged. Please post these queries in this thread.

No idea. In March, one of their people told me a "few months".
They're civil servants: it'll happen when they feel like it.

VirginiaB · 04-09-2017 9:35pm

Thanks--hard to wait with so many questions.

pinkypinky · 04-09-2017 9:44pm

Send them an email and ask for an update!

josip · 04-09-2017 10:00pm

In May I was told:

The General Register Office (GRO) are working on a tranche of Marriage (pre 1882) and Death (pre 1891) records as well as an additional year of all Birth, Marriage and Death Records. These will be added soon. Further details will be publicised on the website in due course.

Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon.
And for the rest of our lives.

mickmackey1 · 04-09-2017 10:03pm

Probably when we're in the Register ourselves...

VirginiaB · 04-09-2017 10:22pm

OK, I'm laughing. But I will send that email--or tear-stained note on pastel stationery.

L1011 · 04-09-2017 10:23pm

mickmackey1 wrote: »

Probably when we're in the Register ourselves...

Most of us were on the register - before the DPC cut back the years they could publish...

Hermy · 04-09-2017 10:26pm

L1011 wrote: »

Most of us were on the register...

That was a little piece of heaven.
What us adopted folk could do during that all too brief window!

pinkypinky · 04-09-2017 10:40pm

mickmackey1 wrote: »

Probably when we're in the Register ourselves...

Oh we're all in it. Many will have 2 entries! Just not the online version.

Waitsian · 23-09-2017 7:41pm

Hermy wrote: »

Marriages before 1882 and deaths before 1891 are not yet available but will be added at some future date.

VirginiaB wrote: »

Does anyone have any idea when 19c civil records will appear in images on Irishgenealogy.ie? That is, marriages before 1882 and deaths before 1891? They are really essential for many, especially for those of us whose ancestors emigrated during the Famine and aftermath. Family who remained in Ireland had died before those cut-off dates.

pinkypinky wrote: »

Send them an email and ask for an update!

VirginiaB wrote: »

OK, I'm laughing. But I will send that email--or tear-stained note on pastel stationery.

I e-mailed them 3 weeks ago. I haven't had a response yet. This is becoming interminable; hurry up already. It's so frustrating.

BowWow · 30-10-2017 8:26pm

Courtesy of "Who Do You Think you Are" Magazine - 26th. October 2017.

"Irish GRO confirms new record releases after IGRS raises concerns

The General Register Office (GRO) of Ireland has confirmed that it is still working on earlier historic record releases after the Irish Genealogical Research Society (IGRS) expressed concern about delays.

In 2016, the Irish Department of Culture, Heritage & the Gaeltacht (DCHG) published images of historic civil registers on its free website, IrishGenealogy.

The initial tranche included births back to 1864, marriages back to 1845 and deaths back to 1891. At the beginning of this year, the GRO promised to supply marriages as far back as 1845 and deaths back to 1864, along with records for 1916 and 1917, by mid-2017.

However, in a blog post on 13 October IGRS pointed out that the project had “gone very quiet” and asked when the “crucial” records would be available.

In response, a DCHG spokesperson told Who Do You Think You Are? Magazine that the GRO was still “working on” a tranche of earlier death records, as well as an additional year of birth, marriage and death records, which would be added to IrishGenealogy shortly, along with the earlier marriage records.

They added that the department hoped to release further information on the update “within the next few weeks”. "

Link - 4th. Story down.
http://www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com/news/genealogy-news-roundup-living-dna-announces-global-family-tree-plans

josip · 30-10-2017 10:35pm

BowWow wrote: »

...
In response, a DCHG spokesperson told Who Do You Think You Are? Magazine that the GRO was still “working on” a tranche of earlier death records, as well as an additional year of birth, marriage and death records, which would be added to IrishGenealogy shortly, along with the earlier marriage records.

They added that the department hoped to release further information on the update “within the next few weeks”. "
...

Not particularly hopeful; it's just standard department speak.
It's almost verbatim what I was told in May.

The General Register Office (GRO) are working on a tranche of Marriage (pre 1882) and Death (pre 1891) records as well as an additional year of all Birth, Marriage and Death Records. These will be added soon. Further details will be publicised on the website in due course.

pinkypinky · 30-10-2017 10:55pm

I spoke to their tech man at BTOP and he was the least vague he ever was. He actually said "in the next few weeks" - previously it was a in a couple of months. I actually believed him this time.

pedroeibar1 · 31-10-2017 12:27am

I too asked the question at BTOP and was told 'soon' by the lady on the stand and when pressed she added 'before Christmas'.

josip · 31-10-2017 8:43am

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

I too asked the question at BTOP and was told 'soon' by the lady on the stand and when pressed she added 'before Christmas'.

Which Christmas?

mickmackey1 · 31-10-2017 12:26pm

What I don't understand is that all this stuff is already primed to go - remember those couple of weeks when everything up to recent times was available??! It should be just a matter of flicking a switch in order to filter by certain years.

pinkypinky · 31-10-2017 1:00pm

Well, they were only the indexes in 2014, not the actual images.

Also, consider a situation like this. Births after the end of 1916 cannot be shown. Someone's December 1916 birth is registered late in February 1917. All the other births on that page have to be redacted. The indexes don't show the exact birth date in the old format but do after the image is added but the date of registration is not in the index. So a computer program or a human needs to check all late registered births.

I do think this project could have been completed sooner, or indeed, held back until it was already to go at once, so I'm not defending them, just want to point out problems we might not consider.

josip · 31-10-2017 1:48pm

Is it the same people responsible for delivering the initial tranche and the tranche we've all been waiting on?

I've worked in IT for enough years to realise that nothing is trivial.
However there's a marked difference between the delivery of the first tranche and the vague language around the current tranche.
Communication of timelines with the end users (us) has been non-existent.

pinkypinky · 31-10-2017 1:53pm

I believe it is the same people, i.e. the staff of the GRO with technical assistance from people in the Dept of Culture, Heritage & Gaeltacht.

KK Supercats · 31-10-2017 6:29pm

In fairness to the staff at the GRO the delay doesn't seem to be of their making. Having spoken to them at length about the long delays between updating of records, they have sent all information required to the relevant dept and seem to be as much in the dark as everyone else in regards to the delays. They have also sent info for earlier records marriages and deaths which have also not been uploaded.

josip · 02-11-2017 12:58pm

Is the website down at the moment for everybody?
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/

pinkypinky · 02-11-2017 1:09pm

Yes.

Deep breaths everyone!

josip · 02-11-2017 1:14pm

pinkypinky · 02-11-2017 1:52pm

http://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2017/11/irishgenealogyie-appears-offline-but.html

It's just the front pages.

shanew · 02-11-2017 1:54pm

never even spotted there was an issue - always use the direct links

AD61 · 08-11-2017 1:03pm

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

I too asked the question at BTOP and was told 'soon' by the lady on the stand and when pressed she added 'before Christmas'.

Emailed them requesting an update and got this reply today: "We have had to revert to the GRO regarding some of the data. We hope to have this finalised within the next few weeks. Further details will be publicised on the website in due course."

Not sure if that's any less vague!

josip · 08-11-2017 1:54pm

They have been very consistent in the vagueness of their answers.

oceanclub · 09-11-2017 9:08pm

Not sure if this is in the right place, but a tip for irishgenealogy.ie.

You can find all births for a particular pair of parents by putting both their surnames in the Surname field (separated by a space), and leaving the First Name field blank. Handy if you are trying to find children whose existence you don't know of or perhaps simply can't find their name under a common spelling.

This only works after a certain date when mother's former names were on the cert, mind (after 1900 or so).

P.

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