GRO Records

shanew

some interesting news re Civil records from Irish Genealogy News

http://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2016/08/onlnine-launch-irish-birth-marriage.html

hjr

If Ireland did knighthoods, Claire Santry would be top of the list...! Such a great source of reliable knowledge!

pinkypinky

Beyond excited.

Have a wishlist of certs already to go in preparation for this day.

Waitsian

Well, the devil is in the detail, so I'll reserve judgement for now but to avoid being called a stick in the mud I'll admit to being provisionally excited.

RGM

Is this essentially a release of all civil certs up to a certain year? Or am I misunderstanding what the registers are.

pinkypinky

Yes, that's right.

Hopefully they've consulted the DPC this time and they won't revoke it.

Waitsian

In effect, yes, I believe so. Birth certs up to the end of 1915 (14? 16?), marriage certs up to 1940 (?), and death certs up to 1965 (?). Images of original entries that is.

I find the last comment in Claire's blog entry intriguing too. The long awaited associated Griffiths books? Must be I suppose. Of course I don't mean the cancelled/revision books. I mean the others whose names I forget.

Edit: field, house and quarto books.

RGM

Wow.

Spare a moment for the dusty, musty genealogists of old who actually had to get dressed and leave their couch to do research.

Waitsian

RGM wrote:

Spare a moment for the dusty, musty genealogists of old who actually had to get dressed and leave their couch to do research.

I agree though John Grenham makes a good point about that very subject in his latest blog entry. Worth a read.

RGM

mod9maple wrote: »

I agree though John Grenham makes a good point about that very subject in his latest blog entry. Worth a read.

Of course. My biggest genealogical pet peeve is that so many people expect to be able to do everything online ("Why can't I find my own birth certificate?").

Still, it's amazing what can be done now.

Alan259

This is phenomenal.

I wonder will they have the 'miscellaneous' GRO records included in this, e.g. births and deaths at sea, Lourdes marriages, etc.

pinkypinky

I doubt it. Wouldn't imagine there'd be more than a handful of Lourdes marriages over 75 years ago.

Jellybaby1

Can't speak........holding breath! Been waiting for so many certs for so long.

spurious

I might finally find a trace of my 'disappeared' great grand uncle.

KildareFan

does this mean I could have saved all those 4euros I spent on copies?

shanew

wonder if these will be free as suggested back a few years ago, or there will be free access to the basic details, and a charge for a full image - a bit like the GRONI system ?

Speaking of GRONI, is this going to hit them since the GRO records (the books at least...) overlap with theirs, so all the births before the cut-off, many of the deaths and marriages.

Hermy

And what will happen to the GRO in Werburgh Street?
Will that close or will it continue as before?
And will they continue to charge for certs?

L1011

shanew wrote: »

wonder if these will be free as suggested back a few years ago, or there will be free access to the basic details, and a charge for a full image - a bit like the GRONI system ?

Speaking of GRONI, is this going to hit them since the GRO records (the books at least...) overlap with theirs, so all the births before the cut-off, many of the deaths and marriages.

I would imagine fully free - they've not charged for anything else to date and the last government at least recognised the tourism value of the data.

I hope rolling updates like Scotlands People are part of the plan - I have plenty to want to get from 1918/1919 (and Emergency era marriages - only 1939/40 would currently be there) in a few years and have previously camped up on SP for Scottish records to appear in the wee hours of Jan 1st.

Hermy

Hermy wrote: »

And what will happen to the GRO in Werburgh Street?
Will that close or will it continue as before?
And will they continue to charge for certs?

Just realised there's still all the stuff after the 50/75/100 year rule to be accessed in Werburgh Street.:o

pinkypinky

Just reviewing my wishlist of certs to get: almost all are within the unrestricted period so it is genealogical Christmas for me.

Considering running a pool on how quickly the site crashes though.

Alan259

pinkypinky wrote: »

I doubt it. Wouldn't imagine there'd be more than a handful of Lourdes marriages over 75 years ago.

AFAIK, the earliest Lourdes marriage that the GRO has a record of dates from 1939. So, it is just within the 75 year limit.

Waitsian

pinkypinky wrote:

Considering running a pool on how quickly the site crashes though.

Indeed. I always give these new sites a miss for the first couple of weeks, let them bed in, iron out the wrinkles. I've waited this long, I can wait another wee while.

pinkypinky

mod9maple wrote: »

Indeed. I always give these new sites a miss for the first couple of weeks, let them bed in, iron out the wrinkles. I've waited this long, I can wait another wee while.

That's no fun. You can't join the outrage then!

Mollymoo19

Reading the new message on the site, I'd say they will definitely be freely available:

"The historic records of Births over 100 years ago, Marriages over 75 years ago and Deaths over 50 years ago of the General Register Office (GRO), will soon be available to view on www.irishgenealogy.ie, following their launch at 5.30pm on Thursday 8th September 2016."

I can't wait!! Will be checking every day next week, just in case they're early :-)

Mollymoo19

hjr wrote: »

If Ireland did knighthoods, Claire Santry would be top of the list...! Such a great source of reliable knowledge!

We may not do knighthoods, but you can vote to make her a rockstar
http://anglo-celtic-connections.blogspot.ie/2016/09/rockstar-genealogists-2016-voting-now.html

hjr

Mollymoo19 wrote: »

We may not do knighthoods, but you can vote to make her a rockstar
http://anglo-celtic-connections.blogspot.ie/2016/09/rockstar-genealogists-2016-voting-now.html

Done! And a vote for Joe Buggy who visits this parish too! Always been a great help and source of knowledge during my research!

pinkypinky

It's oh so quiet.

Is everyone just working away on their wish lists?

L1011

Need to find my two or three text files of lists to get and then it's time to trawl the tree for everyone else in that time frame as theres nothing wrong with being completist!

KildareFan

Ok, let's not all go at once, form an orderly queue.... me first!

Boscod

Site is down at the moment, something is happening!

pinkypinky

Working for me.

I trawled my tree and correlated the index references, but we won't know until the launch how we access the certs. For now, presuming it's a a name/place/year (or DOB/DOD/DOM) search. The index references may be obsolete, or at least obsolescent.

RGM

I haven't bothered making a list because I'll be working through every branch of my tree. A list would just be everybody.

shanew

new 'image' link appearing on index records on IrishGenealogy - see Joe Buggy's twitter post

I was able to see an image for an 1868 Rathdown birth - full page of the register with 10 births

Hermy

shanew wrote: »

I was able to see an image for an 1868 Rathdown birth - full page of the register with 10 births

That is good news.
When I first purchased certs in Joyce House in the 90's you got an image with more then one entry which was great when trying to decipher difficult handwriting.

RGM

I wonder does this mean we won't be able to browse the registers? That would be unfortunate, because there are certs I haven't been able to locate by searching the indexes.

hjr

shanew wrote: »

new 'image' link appearing on index records on IrishGenealogy - see Joe Buggy's twitter post

I was able to see an image for an 1868 Rathdown birth - full page of the register with 10 births

Same here, I got access to two records so far by searching by name! This could be a very unproductive day work wise!!

shanew

seems to be births only at the moment - haven't found any image links for deaths or marriages. Easy enough to access a batch of records to analyse later - e.g. just downloaded all the pages with births for one surname in a single district for 10 years, including my grandfather and his siblings.

RGM

shanew wrote: »

seems to be births only at the moment - haven't found any image links for deaths or marriages. Easy enough to access a batch of records to analyse later - e.g. just downloaded all the pages with births for one surname in a single district for 10 years, including my grandfather and his siblings.

I found one for a 1933 death. Haven't searched for more than that yet.

hjr

shanew wrote: »

seems to be births only at the moment - haven't found any image links for deaths or marriages. Easy enough to access a batch of records to analyse later - e.g. just downloaded all the pages with births for one surname in a single district for 10 years, including my grandfather and his siblings.

I've been able to access Marriages and Deaths in my searches.

Mez1982

Able to access Deaths aswell as births. Will be a very busy day for me

Update: some of the indexes don't have any image.Its says:
There is currently no image to display. This may be because the record was registered or amended in a later year, or there are quality issues with the original image. I wonder does that mean some havnt been uploaded yet as the official launch day still a bit off as it gives you a link where you can order a copy?

L1011

I'm able to see my great great grandmothers sisters birth record, and she's still alive (and 101) - must get on to the DPC immediately! :pac:

(actually, there's an illegible callout on the side of her entry, think its a clarification of spelling of a middle name but not certain. She's sharp enough to still ask the question to though)

pinkypinky

I've got some marriages already. This is fantastic.

hjr

Getting this for a lot of death records between 1865 to 1900:

"There is currently no image to display. This may be because the record was registered or amended in a later year, or there are quality issues with the original image.

Photocopies or official certificates can be obtained via the following link.

If you have any further queries you can contact the General Register Office at gro@groireland.ie."

L1011

Two great-great-great-grandfathers named and death date windows narrowed down already. I must remember to do some actual work today...

shanew

hjr wrote: »

Getting this for a lot of death records between 1865 to 1900:

"There is currently no image to display. This may be because the record was registered or amended in a later year, or there are quality issues with the original image....."

that's what I'm seeing for any of the deaths or marriages of interest to me - is it just later records for these that seem to be available ?

pinkypinky

I guess they're still putting them up - it's early stuff I'm getting that message on.

L1011

Found one record going to an entirely different page - 1879 Borrisokane opening an 1879 Castledermot page.

hjr

I have a record from Ireland, Civil Registration Births Index, 1864-1958, which I can't find at all...

Any ideas?

Rox_88

L1011 wrote: »

Found one record going to an entirely different page - 1879 Borrisokane opening an 1879 Castledermot page.

I'm quite worried about this, it's happened to me twice so far and I've only looked at about 5

Cootehill, Cavan brought me to Mohill, Leitrim. The other one is the right district and year but wrong page.

pinkypinky

This is very early days - they're still putting them up. No one panic!

I've a few I haven't found: all quite early. Once or twice the wrong page is the link. They'll iron these things out: I hope.

Literally haven't moved from the computer in 2 hours...need a sus beag.

pinkypinky

Just shy of 100 certs acquired. Now to process and understand the data.