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    #3602
    donvito99
    Registered Users Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    Laviski wrote: »
    that make it super attractive to give up the car.?

    If it's quicker than the car (which it will be in the city if the bus lanes go in and the bypass doesn't) then they will. Galway is no different to any other city in this regard.


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    #3603
    [Deleted User]
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    Laviski wrote: »
    that make it super attractive to give up the car.?

    Yeah if you don't need to keep watching the clock and fit to an infrequent timetable and you don't risk getting stuck in traffic then it does become more attractive.

    Small changes like tapping in/out at stops instead of queuing up to pay the driver are quick wins that have an impact too. No sitting around as people pay and board, open the side doors and flood people in and out, then move on.

    I've lived somewhere before where it was low density and well outside the city. The bus was every 20 minutes but arrived within 30 seconds of timetable every time and that also worked well for a reliable quick commute. You need dedicated lanes for that to work.


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    #3604
    Laviski
    Registered Users Posts: 1,582 ✭✭✭Laviski


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Yeah if you don't need to keep watching the clock and fit to an infrequent timetable and you don't risk getting stuck in traffic then it does become more attractive.

    Small changes like tapping in/out at stops instead of queuing up to pay the driver are quick wins that have an impact too. No sitting around as people pay and board, open the side doors and flood people in and out, then move on.

    I've lived somewhere before where it was low density and well outside the city. The bus was every 20 minutes but arrived within 30 seconds of timetable every time and that also worked well for a reliable quick commute. You need dedicated lanes for that to work.

    Was that place in ireland? Cause I've been abroad too and see how effective infra can work. Such things in ireland just some crazy to sum.

    Regarding the tap, the way leapcard works outside dublin is super inefficient. Should be tap on tap off, this crap waiting period for the machine to process or sometimes not at all....


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    #3605
    [Deleted User]
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    Laviski wrote: »
    Was that place in ireland? Cause I've been abroad too and see how effective infra can work. Such things in ireland just some crazy to sum.

    No - not Ireland, we're not there yet!


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    #3606
    [Deleted User]
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    More fantastic news

    https://twitter.com/OwenHanleyLives/status/1380900863384948746?s=19

    On a side note do not underestimate how much impact having kids cycling to school will have on a network of cycling infrastructure.

    Safe, protected, segregated cycling infrastructure will be the bare minimum expectation for everyone sending their kids to school on the bike and they won't be long letting those feelings be known to the council and the Councillors themselves


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    #3607
    [Deleted User]
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    Laviski wrote: »
    people want traffic gone, best way to do that is remove the cars - how do you remove cars, well....

    “Remove the people driving them. Galway is at capacity. The carscum can f off.”

    People will (and are) voting with their feet. Best thing anti-cars can do is be open about their “f cars” ness.


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    #3608
    [Deleted User]
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    “Remove the people driving them. Galway is at capacity. The carscum can f off.”

    People will (and are) voting with their feet. Best thing anti-cars can do is be open about their “f cars” ness.

    All that quote was generated from within your own mind SeaSlacker, the aggression and anger doesn't really help the discussion.


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    #3609
    [Deleted User]
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    “Remove the people driving them. Galway is at capacity. The carscum can f off.”

    People will (and are) voting with their feet. Best thing anti-cars can do is be open about their “f cars” ness.

    Supporting more sustainable options is not anti anything.

    A different opinion to yours does not translate to 2 fingers


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    #3610
    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users Posts: 25,674 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Deleted User wrote: »
    More fantastic news
    ....Safe, protected, segregated cycling infrastructure will be the bare minimum expectation for everyone sending their kids to school on the bike and they won't be long letting those feelings be known to the council and the Councillors themselves

    I agree it's good news, and anything which encourages segregated cycle lanes is good.

    But really it's sad to see the word "zoning" misused.

    Internationally, a school zone is an area in which all resident children are guaranteed a place in the local school. This reduces traffic by stopping people from needing to travel around the city to attend schools in other neighbourhoods. It gives all children, including ones with disabilities, a right to education in their own neighbourhood.

    Proper school zones would have more impact on traffic than dedicated road space ever will be.

    What we are introducing is not zoning.


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    #3611
    donvito99
    Registered Users Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    I agree it's good news, and anything which encourages segregated cycle lanes is good.

    But really it's sad to see the word "zoning" misused.

    Internationally, a school zone is an area in which all resident children are guaranteed a place in the local school. This reduces traffic by stopping people from needing to travel around the city to attend schools in other neighbourhoods. It gives all children, including ones with disabilities, a right to education in their own neighbourhood.

    Proper school zones would have more impact on traffic than dedicated road space ever will be.

    What we are introducing is not zoning.

    Ah here.

    Nobody is going to confuse this scheme with the UK / US system of going to the school in your area/district/'zone'.


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    #3612
    Mrs OBumble
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    City fringe, that's a good one. Within 200m you have Eyre square, the Eyre Sq SC, William St/Shop St.

    City fringe it ain't

    ...

    Going back 100 years it has been a mixed-use area with both shops & residences. It also had a thriving market in times past which was retried with great success a number of years ago and now forms part of the city council Galway Public Realm Strategy as an area for renewal


    By that standard, Bohermore, Forster Court (the estate), the Elms, and much of the Claddagh are all city centre.

    Which is rubbish. They are all primarily residential. There are lots of buildings where people's living rooms are on the streets, at ground-floor level.


    The article about the market being retried with "great success" in 2013 is a joke. Sure it was re-tried a couple of times (2, maybe 3). But if it was really a great success, it would have continued. It didn't.

    Don't know about you, but I visited the market each time they tried. The crowd was meh. The stall-holders weren't committing to coming back. If I purchased lunch there, then local rate-paying businesses didn't get my cash that day.

    I'd agree that the space could be better used than being a car-park, and that there's plenty of other parking around. (Though personally I make quite a bit of the GoCar which is there: it's a reasonable walk from my house, and easer to get back to on time than the one in Newtonsmith.)

    But the simplistic "remove private cars" and "make it a public plaza" totally misses the mark, and ignores the nature of the area.

    Traffic solutions need to address actual traffic problems.


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    #3613
    cgcsb
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    The funny thing is that the Galway Bus Connects scheme basically ignores bikes in the City Centre, not a solitary metre of cycle lane is proposed.


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    #3614
    donvito99
    Registered Users Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »

    Traffic solutions need to address actual traffic problems.

    The actual traffic problem is the private car. If there is less parking available you'll go along way to addressing the traffic problem in the city centre.


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    #3615
    [Deleted User]
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Traffic solutions need to address actual traffic problems.

    The plan for Woodquay isn't a traffic solution, it's an urban regeneration and development project.

    It's "one of a number public spaces in the city centre that Galway City Council proposes to ‘re-imagine’, to make them less hostile for pedestrians and to boost footfall".


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    #3616
    CowboyTed
    Registered Users Posts: 747 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    Deleted User wrote: »
    “Induced demand” is to infrastructure what Andrew Wakefield is to vaccine science. False equivalence.

    If we’re on about stopping demand, let’s Stop Demand. Put a population cap in place, licence car ownership, tighten immigration laws up so that it’s exceptionally difficult to enter the “protected” place as a newcomer. (None of these things I’m advocating BTW.)

    If we need to stop demand, we need to Stop Growth.

    I think the solution is a one child policy...


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    #3617
    CowboyTed
    Registered Users Posts: 747 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Your extremist policies aside, no need to be so reactionary about it lol

    Just invert the priority of modes of transport so that private cars are given the lowest priority rather than the highest and anything is achievable. Thankfully this has already happened within the CC with the GTS

    We will see this gaining further traction with the GTS review and updating, the release by the Dept of Transport of the updated National Cycle Policy Framework and their Sustainable Mobility Policy Framework. Both of which will need to be adhered to by any council expecting funding from the Dept.

    Its been said time and time again on this thread, but it needs to be repeated every now and again......Galways roads are already at capacity already and its population is planned to grow by 50% by 2040. If you want these people to be able to move around the city, regards of origin or destination, you need to prioritise pedestrians, bikes & buses in that order. After that comes logistics and taxis and finally comes private car access.

    There is no other logical option that withstands serious scrutiny

    That is why getting the traffic out of the city is needed...

    We have hinterlands which can't support public transport... Private car is there only option...

    When asked about targets to achieved and further targets there is little to nothing there...


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    #3618
    CowboyTed
    Registered Users Posts: 747 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm not asking the next step for you, the next step for Galway? What do we do after we build this additional road space and it becomes gridlocked? What then for those that moved to Furbo/Spiddal and work in Parkmore (a short commute before the road filled)? Move them all to Canada?

    Lets make it simpler...

    Public transport wants the Salmon Weir Bridge for there use solely...

    There are 4 times the cars in Galway since the last bridge was opened.

    To get that bridge the cars need another bridge...

    If you want to object, cars pay for vast majority of the roads, they can at least expect the same service while they are paying more than 4 times the revenue...


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    #3619
    Mrs OBumble
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    cgcsb wrote: »
    The funny thing is that the Galway Bus Connects scheme basically ignores bikes in the City Centre, not a solitary metre of cycle lane is proposed.

    If we're saying that private cars shouldn't be in the area, then neither should private bicycles be there.


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    #3620
    [Deleted User]
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    CowboyTed wrote: »
    Lets make it simpler...

    Public transport wants the Salmon Weir Bridge for there use solely...

    There are 4 times the cars in Galway since the last bridge was opened.

    To get that bridge the cars need another bridge...

    If you want to object, cars pay for vast majority of the roads, they can at least expect the same service while they are paying more than 4 times the revenue...

    That ship has sailed, that bridge will be closed to private cars end 2022/early 2023


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    #3621
    Mrs OBumble
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    donvito99 wrote: »
    the traffic problem in the city centre.

    What is the traffic problem in the city centre?


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    #3622
    [Deleted User]
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    CowboyTed wrote: »
    There are 4 times the cars in Galway since the last bridge was opened.

    More roads solution leads to more cars - well demonstrated.

    Same again?

    Why not make the public transport changes first this time, if the road goes ahead it'll be another 10++ years so let's get the city moving before then. From the ramp up in traffic in the last few weeks it looks like we'll rebound to near pre-Covid levels fairly quick.
    CowboyTed wrote: »
    If you want to object, cars pay for vast majority of the roads, they can at least expect the same service while they are paying more than 4 times the revenue...

    The old "they don't even pay any 'road tax' Joe" argument? Presumably you're talking about the motor tax based on engine size or emissions - that's not a subscription for road space.


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    #3623
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    If we're saying that private cars shouldn't be in the area, then neither should private bicycles be there.

    Not necessarily?

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    #3624
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,275 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    If we're saying that private cars shouldn't be in the area, then neither should private bicycles be there.

    What? Why would you say that?


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    #3625
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,275 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    CowboyTed wrote: »
    Lets make it simpler...

    Public transport wants the Salmon Weir Bridge for there use solely...

    There are 4 times the cars in Galway since the last bridge was opened.

    To get that bridge the cars need another bridge...

    If you want to object, cars pay for vast majority of the roads, they can at least expect the same service while they are paying more than 4 times the revenue...
    Cars don't pay for anything.


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    #3626
    ben.schlomo
    Registered Users Posts: 11,978 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    cgcsb wrote: »
    What? Why would you say that?

    Irrational fear of anything on two wheels.


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    #3627
    Storm 10
    Registered Users Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Storm 10


    donvito99 wrote: »
    The actual traffic problem is the private car. If there is less parking available you'll go along way to addressing the traffic problem in the city centre.



    I am in the City Centre a lot during the day for work and I have never came across traffic problems there so don't know what you are on about, most of Galway's traffic issue are on the Tuam road Dublin road Headford road and Western distributor roads inbound and outbound, City centre is great.


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    #3628
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    The biggest pinch point in the city centre is probably coming around by the docks and Spanish Arch in the evening rush hour with commuter traffic going to Salthill/Knocknacarra/Barna direction.

    I know a lot of commuters use Google Maps daily so if the N6 gets backed up they'll be rat-runned into city streets until they clog up shortly after.


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    #3629
    what_traffic
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    If we're saying that private cars shouldn't be in the area, then neither should private bicycles be there.

    Nobody is saying this except you?
    There is still going to be access for private cars in the City Centre, will be limited and will not be able to use certain streets, same goes for "private" bicycles and the "public" bikes - certain streets are not available as it stands.


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    #3630
    [Deleted User]
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    Serious step up in morning traffic this week as schools started back. Are there many/any dedicated school buses in Galway that do a pick-up route around the estates to the schools?


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    #3631
    donvito99
    Registered Users Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Serious step up in morning traffic this week as schools started back. Are there many/any dedicated school buses in Galway that do a pick-up route around the estates to the schools?

    There was a time when children walked or cycled to school.

    Any attempt by the government or local authorities to encourage either is usually labelled as Green Party quackery.

    The difference (in normal times) between schools out/schools in traffic is night and day in my experience. Forget your bypass, knock down a few walls between estates and stick in a 2m cycle lane on the busy routes and watch the journey times for everyone fall off a cliff.


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