C&C/Red Alert Remastered

grimm2005 · 14-11-2018 8:37pm #1

https://www.pcgamer.com/command-and-conquer-and-red-alert-remastered-are-being-developed-by-former-candc-devs/

Original Command & Conquer and Red Alert being remastered by Petroglyph Games which is made up of ex-Westwood staff.

At the moment they are saying it's a remaster rather than a remake but hoping it'll be a bit more than just some upscaled textures and 4K support. Either way, great to see the original team involved and hopefully this will be the start of bringing back the series before EA destroyed it.

Falthyron · 14-11-2018 8:44pm

grimm2005 wrote: »

https://www.pcgamer.com/command-and-conquer-and-red-alert-remastered-are-being-developed-by-former-candc-devs/

Original Command & Conquer and Red Alert being remastered by Petroglyph Games which is made up of ex-Westwood staff.

At the moment they are saying it's a remaster rather than a remake but hoping it'll be a bit more than just some upscaled textures and 4K support. Either way, great to see the original team involved and hopefully this will be the start of bringing back the series before EA destroyed it.

Just give me Tiberian Sun, the definitive and undeniably best game of the series!

Hopefully, the remaster is treated with respect. Then again, it is EA, so I expect lootboxes containing skins for a mammoth tank... :rolleyes:

TheValeyard · 14-11-2018 8:52pm

Hell March!!!!!! For the glory of a Continental Soviet Union.

Also....

"Rise my people. I have returned, never to leave your side again. GDI sought to destroy me, but they have only made me stronger. Today, we march forward into our future. A stronger people. A divined people, enhanced for the Tiberium world. The time has come, to claim this world as our own! The time has come, to destroy GDI ! One vision. One purpose! Peace through power!"
— Returned Kane (Tiberian Sun).

rockatansky · 14-11-2018 8:53pm

Best opening sequence to a game ever!

Heet-ler is out ov de way.

grimm2005 · 14-11-2018 9:04pm

Falthyron wrote: »

Hopefully, the remaster is treated with respect. Then again, it is EA, so I expect lootboxes containing skins for a mammoth tank... :rolleyes:

No micro-transactions confirmed!

https://www.pcgamer.com/ea-confirm-remasters-of-classic-command-and-conquer-games-wont-have-microtransactions/

pixelburp · 14-11-2018 9:06pm

Falthyron wrote: »

Just give me Tiberian Sun, the definitive and undeniably best game of the series!

Hopefully, the remaster is treated with respect. Then again, it is EA, so I expect lootboxes containing skins for a mammoth tank... :rolleyes:

I recently replayed Tiberian Sun and it hasn't aged well; the pathfinding in the AI was abysmal.

Good news though and hot off the heels of that awful looking mobile game I wonder is this an emergency claw back of goodwill ...

pixelburp · 14-11-2018 9:13pm

Many folks play the 3d c&c games? C&C3 was pretty decent from what I recall, the alien faction working well; Red Alert 3 I only recall the cheesy FMVs that went way overboard, and those units that could swap function on a hotkey.

TheValeyard · 14-11-2018 9:17pm

rockatansky wrote: »

Best opening sequence to a game ever!

Heet-ler is out ov de way.

Assistant: Did you find him?
Einstein: Hitler is... out of the way.
Assistant: Congratulations, professor! With Hitler removed-
Einstein: Time will tell. Sooner or later... time will tell...

Sonics2k · 14-11-2018 9:18pm

Man, if you'd asked me what I thought about the constant remasters of games, I'd have said it was just awful and lazy.

But with this and Warcraft III: Reforged, I may not leave my house for a long time.

degrassinoel · 14-11-2018 9:37pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Many folks play the 3d c&c games? C&C3 was pretty decent from what I recall, the alien faction working well; Red Alert 3 I only recall the cheesy FMVs that went way overboard, and those units that could swap function on a hotkey.

Yeah, 3. That was the last decent C&C, Kane's Wrath expansion too.

Kiith · 14-11-2018 9:41pm

Delighted to see some proper C&C news. Hopefully we'll see the 2nd remastered as well if this goes well. While the first is probably a better game, i absolutely adore 2. Hell March 2 is where it's really at :P

Cookie_Monster · 14-11-2018 9:48pm

Cool! I actually got back into play RA2 lest year for a while, the original with updated graphics would be even better.

Vicxas · 14-11-2018 10:14pm

So excited for this. So much time invested into these games when i was younger.

quarryman · 14-11-2018 10:51pm

Hope they remaster RA2 when they are done with the original.

pixelburp · 14-11-2018 10:56pm

The details are vague but it doesn't sound like it's going to be much of a remake; Petroglyph have a solid RTS engine they've used for a few games, but the article hints that the eventual game may just amount to an upscale of the graphics and other lowball modernising (support for modern resolutions etc) - so basically precisely what OpenRA does already ...

https://www.openra.net

TerrorFirmer · 15-11-2018 12:01pm

That was my first thought - it'll just be a polished version of OpenRA (which is great).

The original RA engine though has a problem, independent of your hardware resources, where it bogs down to a crawl when too many units are on-map at once, and even after the fighting is over, it doesn't return to normal speed.

We discovered that in our youth as our preferred method of playing system-link was to build up two opposing armies to the unit limit, completely ignore each other for that period, and then bang in in the middle of the map in an all-or-nothing face off at about 3fps.

And of course the golden rule: no nukes. Did always feel the Soviets were way OP compared to the allies though.

And of course who didn't love the tech level 1 "First World War" infantry battles, where the first person to find a mammoth tank in a crate wins.

The best of times. Was not really a fan of RA2 and hated RA3, those were the last games I played, and I think the last one for me that had the real C&C feel was probably Tiberian Sun.

Shiminay · 15-11-2018 1:40pm

I think I preferred RA2 to RA and I preferred RA to all of the C&C games. Never played a huge amount of it in Multiplayer, but I definitely had some fun with it. Some improved AI, especially with the pathing, mightn't be a bad idea.

Kirby · 15-11-2018 1:51pm

Played all of them. They all had their charms and were worth playing.

Hopefully, they sell incredibly well and prove to EA that there is money to be made with this fanbase. One can only hope.

pixelburp · 15-11-2018 1:54pm

Same: I have a fondness for Red Alert 1, with its stripped-down feel, but the balance didn't feel particularly fair; Red Alert 2 was a more rounded beast that allowed for a better variation of strategies IMO - along with better balancing between the Allies & Soviets. Plus, the units were just much more fun to play with too. Jetpacks, psychic squid, mirage tanks & so on (I appreciate the ramped up goofiness was probably not everyones' cup of tea)

Mind you, Yuri's Revenge threw that out the window as IIRC, while that 3rd faction was pretty tricky to control, it became massively OP in the right hands. I think I had barely any kind of win % against Yuri players.

grimm2005 · 15-11-2018 9:09pm

pixelburp wrote: »

The details are vague but it doesn't sound like it's going to be much of a remake; Petroglyph have a solid RTS engine they've used for a few games, but the article hints that the eventual game may just amount to an upscale of the graphics and other lowball modernising (support for modern resolutions etc) - so basically precisely what OpenRA does already ...

https://www.openra.net

Never knew this existed! Will have to give it a look

pixelburp · 13-07-2019 10:48pm

Some details on this have trickled out, including the first look at one of the remastered assets - the construction yard. Still presuming this will be like the StarCraft remaster and backport highres assets onto the "original" engine (alongside netcode refactoring)

https://www.reddit.com/r/commandandconquer/comments/bea82f/remaster_update_and_first_art_preview/

Vicxas · 16-07-2019 8:03am

pixelburp wrote: »

Some details on this have trickled out, including the first look at one of the remastered assets - the construction yard. Still presuming this will be like the StarCraft remaster and backport highres assets onto the "original" engine (alongside netcode refactoring)

https://www.reddit.com/r/commandandconquer/comments/bea82f/remaster_update_and_first_art_preview/

It looks like they're actually completely rebuilt assets if i'm reading their latest update, they have a whole team working on them:

Heres the most recent Reddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/commandandconquer/comments/cdjlh1/remaster_update_and_red_alert_preview/

pixelburp · 25-10-2019 3:39pm

First trailer for this has popped up, giving a sense of what the high-res graphics look during gameplay. My first impressions are ... ... I dunno. High-res, low framerate sprites is a really weird combination & not sure it works for me. Appreciate the decision to keep things as authentic as possible, but a little more embellishment would have been nice.

Man that soundtrack still rocks so much lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uPOr8PxeXk

Homelander · 26-10-2019 1:51pm

Looks OK but I agree the design style is a bit jarring more than anything else. I will still likely purchase it but I'm kinda thinking OpenRA may very well end up being the superior product in the end. As it is, it's almost perfect really and updated in the best possible ways. Play it a lot, feels really strange going back to the original Red Alert through Origin.

pixelburp · 26-10-2019 11:33pm

Homelander wrote: »

Looks OK but I agree the design style is a bit jarring more than anything else. I will still likely purchase it but I'm kinda thinking OpenRA may very well end up being the superior product in the end. As it is, it's almost perfect really and updated in the best possible ways. Play it a lot, feels really strange going back to the original Red Alert through Origin.

I haven't played it in ages, but I'm fairly sure OpenRAs sprite are high frame rate, despite sticking to the low detail pixelart roots. Or at least that's what I remember of things like the movement of the vehicle sprites. Wonder what the community feedback to this trailer has been ...

noodler · 27-10-2019 10:01pm

Is there any chance I won't be able to run this on a recent Dell Inspiron?

pixelburp · 10-03-2020 4:03pm

A full trailer has been released with a breakdown of feature; I've warmed a little to that upscaled art, and it's looking like a pretty robust remaster (compared to other recent RTS remasters cough cough). Hopefully success will open the doors to a Tiberian Sun & Red Alert 2 remaster next ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iMfypQj3k0

And for those looking for that traditional "Game in a Box" feel, looks like there'll be limited edition physical copies with stickers, posters, and the usual bric-a-brac you get with these things

https://i.redd.it/ic424x2frul41.png

noodler · 10-03-2020 4:19pm

To quote my inner Stalin..."I want it".

June tho, sad face.

Again, anyone know if this might run on a Dell Inspiron 15 5000 series? (i5)

I assume there is next to no graphics card in it

pixelburp · 10-03-2020 4:23pm

noodler wrote: »

To quote my inner Stalin..."I want it".

June tho, sad face.

Again, anyone know if this might run on a Dell Inspiron 15 5000 series? (i5)

I assume there is next to no graphics card in it

It's on Steam already for pre-purchase, with min/recommended specs for your perusal:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1213210/Command__Conquer_Remastered_Collection/

They seem pretty reasonable, nothing shocking given the tech, remastered or not.

noodler · 10-03-2020 4:30pm

pixelburp wrote: »

It's on Steam already for pre-purchase, with min/recommended specs for your perusal:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1213210/Command__Conquer_Remastered_Collection/

They seem pretty reasonable, nothing shocking given the tech, remastered or not.

Thanks. Needs the following.

Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GT 420 or ATI Radeon HD 5570

The laptop has a "intel UHD Graphics 620".

Can that run games?

noodler · 10-03-2020 4:37pm

Also, 20 euro on Steam seems quite reasonable.

pixelburp · 10-03-2020 6:11pm

noodler wrote: »

Thanks. Needs the following.

Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GT 420 or ATI Radeon HD 5570

The laptop has a "intel UHD Graphics 620".

Can that run games?

Honestly I'm not sure, my hardware knowledge is limited. Those integrated cards aren't known for being powerhouses, so it might be touch and go.

A vague yardstick might be to give OpenRA a whirl, see how that plays. It's a fanmade rebuild of class C&C games, albeit without 4K graphics.

Homelander · 10-03-2020 6:57pm

HD620 is much better than either so should be OK.

Play a ton of OpenRA, really want to get this but it will be so weird going back to the original game with different units/gameplay/features than I'm used to now.

Looking forward to it though all the same.

noodler · 10-03-2020 8:47pm

Homelander wrote: »

HD620 is much better than either so should be OK.

Play a ton of OpenRA, really want to get this but it will be so weird going back to the original game with different units/gameplay/features than I'm used to now.

Looking forward to it though all the same.

Thanks.

There seem to be a number of quality of life improvements (multiple units queued, new build bar etc)

pixelburp · 04-06-2020 4:49pm

This is dropping tomorrow BTW - I think you can already preload on Steam - if anyone's wondering what to do with their weekend

Shiminay · 04-06-2020 4:56pm

I have it preloaded alright, have nothing else on this weekend

noodler · 04-06-2020 5:48pm

Preloaded yesterday.

Played RA2 recently so still fresh but haven't played these originals in an age.

Can't wait to do the campaigns

Guy:Incognito · 04-06-2020 5:54pm

Forgot it was June already. Excellent.

Bought this a couple of months back. Just went in and started the preload.

I have played very little of the original, I moved on as soon as the sequals came out and stuck with them. RA2 is as far back as I go now , but i play them a fair bit. I must have bought them all about 5 times at this stage between the originals as they came out, then replaced a couple when they went missing then Ive bought the ultimate collection a couple of time either on discs (iirc) and then on origin.

04-06-2020 6:33pm

I just copped you have to pay 2 euros more for the skirmish

Xenji · 04-06-2020 7:37pm

Forgot this was coming out tomorrow, you are getting a serious amount of content for €20.

05-06-2020 12:34am

I'm curious to know what they will do with the multiplayer. The originals were ridiculously imbalanced. The strategy in RA1 was to pump out medium tanks and nothing else. No other strategy could beat it.

Gunmonkey · 05-06-2020 8:52am

Listen to the man, surely he has no ulterior motives......

pixelburp · 05-06-2020 9:06am

Joe Kucan inability to age does have me wondering if he really IS Kane

Guy:Incognito · 05-06-2020 11:14am

Anyone able to play it yet. In my library it still says "coming 5th june"

Drumpot · 05-06-2020 11:16am

I might have to get a new laptop as this won’t download to my small Lenovo!!

I bought it a few weeks ago but Is it literally just the first C_&C

Homelander · 05-06-2020 11:28am

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Anyone able to play it yet. In my library it still says "coming 5th june"

It's today at 6pm I think.

I might have to get a new laptop as this won’t download to my small Lenovo!!

I bought it a few weeks ago but Is it literally just the first C_&C

Yeah it's 20GB+ which is bizarrely large for this. First game and Red Alert. Probably a huge part of it is just video files.

Guy:Incognito · 05-06-2020 11:32am

Homelander wrote: »

It's today at 6pm I think.

.

Ah, right. ****ing boooooo

Ivefoundgod · 05-06-2020 11:33am

No reviews of this anywhere yet? Tempted to pick it up but I was more an RA2 fan so not sure if its worth it.

pixelburp · 05-06-2020 11:56am

Yeah, the C&C games made use of FMV and CGI cut-scenes, I imagine a good portion of that 20 gig is made up of those upscaled videos, as well as the high-def audio & 4K assets. Surprisingly large, but not at the same time. Preloading myself ATM

Skerries · 05-06-2020 12:04pm

pfft! Dune 2 or nothing!

pixelburp · 05-06-2020 12:53pm

Skerries wrote: »

pfft! Dune 2 or nothing!

A remaster or Emperor: Battle for Dune would be amazing. A very forgotten Westwood title, which would benefit from its rough edges smoothed over... Don't even think you can buy it anymore either...

C&C/Red Alert Remastered

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