Formula 1 2019 - General Discussion Thread

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 19-03-2019 12:35pm

OSI wrote: »

His Quali lap was nearly 2 seconds down on Russel and his fastest race lap more than half a second slower. Not a promising start to his return season.

Let us not forget, he appeared to be up on his Q1 time when he clipped the wall, so we will never know if he could have out qualified Russell. One race doesn't define a season.

Joeface wrote: »

I have this feeling Kubica will not last the season and thats even taking into account how crap the car is .
I think too much time has passed for him and his Injury will hamper his performace if the get the car working some bit . The Testing and FP laps are one thing . Qual and Race are something else . Pity really.

He is contracted for 2 seasons, Orlen have or will pay Williams by installments for the seat, i have no doubt he could lose it but it will result in money changing hands somewhere and that is something Williams are lacking to a certain extent.

Would it be feasible to assume that there is a clause in his contract?

Joeface · 19-03-2019 1:31pm

recyclebin wrote: »

He clipped the wall and got a puncture in qualifying. Car was damaged in race. Both were self inflicted wounds but I wouldn't write him off yet. The car is terrible to drive.

it was the clipping the wall that was strange , The route cause he said him self was the car was suddenly working right and he was way faster coming out of the turn that cause him to clip the wall . Ha

Adamocovic · 19-03-2019 3:09pm

All this talk of damage to the cars, has someone posted the World Destructors Championship from Reddit? Sorry if posted, haven't seen it yet on here.

It's really quite brilliant and I definitely will be following it haha!

Credit goes to user basspro24chevy on Reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/b2jxne/world_destructors_championship_race_1_update/

Inviere · 19-03-2019 6:08pm

OSI wrote: »

His Quali lap was nearly 2 seconds down on Russel and his fastest race lap more than half a second slower. Not a promising start to his return season.

On the lap he crashed, he was apparently seven tenths up on Russel by the second sector, he was about to absolutely destroy his team mate. He blamed the crash on the car actually working properly that one and only lap, with him carrying too much speed into the corner. I wouldn't right him off just yet.

Inviere · 19-03-2019 6:09pm

Killinator wrote: »

I'm.not saying he was driving poorly himself but his new teammate was about to breeze past him for whatever reason and Ferrari as a team aren't always the most level headed group and may blame him for the results rather than admitting they've messed up the car

Different tires too by that stage. It's all speculation at this stage, there's rumours of the aero design being flawed, the PU being flawed. I still have a feeling they'll be out all guns blazing by the next race, as they were last year.

pjohnson · 19-03-2019 8:17pm

It was also said that Williams are still lacking spare parts so they couldn't afford to replace any parts that suffered minor damage and both drivers had to essentially make do with what they got.

So it seems Kubica's car was still damaged from qualy even before the race even started.

Jordan 199 · 19-03-2019 8:30pm

Adamocovic wrote: »

All this talk of damage to the cars, has someone posted the World Destructors Championship from Reddit? Sorry if posted, haven't seen it yet on here.

It's really quite brilliant and I definitely will be following it haha!

Credit goes to user basspro24chevy on Reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/b2jxne/world_destructors_championship_race_1_update/

That list would have been interesting when Pastor Maldonado was around.

am i bovvered · 19-03-2019 8:40pm

antodeco wrote: »

LeClerc did say in an interview he understood that the team setup was a no1 and no2 driver. He seems like an intelligent chap, and knows that he has a shot for no1 when vettel fails (maybe a season or 2), but he knows he can be golden boy.

Exactly, LeClerc can play the long game and benefit from this 1 & 2 policy from Ferrari in the future.

Cool_CM · 19-03-2019 9:05pm

Jordan 199 wrote: »

That list would have been interesting when Pastor Maldonado was around.

Or just for the 98 Belgian Grand Prix!

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 20-03-2019 1:02pm

Cool_CM wrote: »

Or just for the 98 Belgian Grand Prix!

We'll never see races like that again, F1 is gone too nanny state. I'd love to see a race being started like that without a safety car, definitely makes it more interesting.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 20-03-2019 1:03pm

As for Kubica, if he can work wonders with that Williams there is a slim chance someone else might come back in for him.

H3llR4iser · 20-03-2019 1:47pm

Inviere wrote: »

On the lap he crashed, he was apparently seven tenths up on Russel by the second sector, he was about to absolutely destroy his team mate. He blamed the crash on the car actually working properly that one and only lap, with him carrying too much speed into the corner. I wouldn't right him off just yet.

Yeah, heard that - it's really funny, but in F1 this is a thing. Years ago, Fisichella had a curious incident during the Monaco GP while driving for Benetton - he clipped the inside of the ARMCO at La Rascasse with his right rear wheel and spun. After the race, his explanation was similar - he said he took the corner as usual, counting on the fact the rear of the car slid about a little bit due to instability. On that one lap, it gripped perfectly, causing the collision

flazio · 20-03-2019 6:32pm

Peyton Lively Tiller wrote: »

We'll never see races like that again, F1 is gone too nanny state. I'd love to see a race being started like that without a safety car, definitely makes it more interesting.

Had something like that happened these days, the whole race would probably have to be called off for 24 hours as there aren't any T cars anymore.

AMKC · 20-03-2019 7:22pm

flazio wrote: »

Had something like that happened these days, the whole race would probably have to be called off for 24 hours as there aren't any T cars anymore.

That's probably why they don't let races start in rain like that anymore. Depending on the track they would have to postpone the race for a day or maybe till the next weekend if possible depending on the race calendar and the track too I suppose.

flazio · 20-03-2019 8:29pm

What a cool thing to do.

https://twitter.com/F1/status/1108308736509120519?s=19

seamusk84 · 20-03-2019 9:00pm

So far Teds new show is incredibly boring....

skipper_G · 20-03-2019 9:20pm

seamusk84 wrote: »

So far Teds new show is incredibly boring....

I for one am glad he wasn't on the race coverage this week. He's so tabloidy it hurts to watch. Him and Croft acting like a pair of buffoons having the #BANTZ and stinking up the show with their presence. No thanks

Inviere · 21-03-2019 4:11pm

skipper_G wrote: »

I for one am glad he wasn't on the race coverage this week. He's so tabloidy it hurts to watch. Him and Croft acting like a pair of buffoons having the #BANTZ and stinking up the show with their presence. No thanks

Ted, Crofty, and Herbert....fook me what a pack of absolute knobs. Lazenby gets some flak but I honestly don't mind him too much. Herbert prob the worst of all three though, objectively, he adds absolutely nothing to the production.

El_Duderino 09 · 22-03-2019 12:45pm

Peyton Lively Tiller wrote: »

We'll never see races like that again, F1 is gone too nanny state. I'd love to see a race being started like that without a safety car, definitely makes it more interesting.

Yeah. Down with the nanny state! Bet you enjoyed Likes Bianchi's last performance. Are you not entertained?

I dont need the drivers to die to enjoy the sport. Calling it nanny state is really out of order. They should expect to arrive home alive and uninjured after the race weekend. We should support them in expecting that too.

23-03-2019 8:24pm

There are only two possibilities obviously.

They are far too quick to throw the safety car out for rain and far too slow to bring it back in. The Bianchi thing had 2 causes. 1 is the stupidity of the machinery being anywhere near a track with open-cockpit cars and the other being one that I don't anyone likes to admit.

pjohnson · 23-03-2019 10:13pm

Did that mad Brazil race (02 or 03) Fisichella eventually win not start behind a Safety Car?

Guess F1 has been "nanny state" for the last 16 years.

pjohnson · 23-03-2019 10:17pm

pjohnson wrote: »

Did that mad Brazil race (02 or 03) Fisichella eventually win not start behind a Safety Car?

Guess F1 has been "nanny state" for the last 16 years.

Although in 07 we had that mad German Grand Prix where about half the grid got stuck in a gravel trap, Liuzzi going backwards nearly took out the safety car and Spyker's reserve driver led a lap of the Grand Prix.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 25-03-2019 5:28pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yeah. Down with the nanny state! Bet you enjoyed Likes Bianchi's last performance. Are you not entertained?

I dont need the drivers to die to enjoy the sport. Calling it nanny state is really out of order. They should expect to arrive home alive and uninjured after the race weekend. We should support them in expecting that too.

Bianchi's accident was due to the recovery vehicle, had that vehicle been adequately kitted out or the race under a full safety car it could have been different, we will never know. Since Senna's death in 1994 Bianchi's has been the only one since. From what i remember the FIA or someone in authority said that the halo wouldn't have saved Bianchi either, it was diffuse axonal.

Serious accidents post Senna, of these one was career ending:

Panis 2 broken legs 1997
Schumacher 1 broken leg 1999
Burti crashed in Begium 2001, F1 career over even though he later tested for Ferrari.
Ralf Schumacher USA 2004 spinal injury

There were 2 marshal fatalities in Monza 2000 & Australia 2001 from debris.

None of us can speculate as to what may have happened if the recovery vehicle wasn't present.

Inviere · 25-03-2019 5:32pm

Peyton Lively Tiller wrote: »

None of us can speculate as to what may have happened if the recovery vehicle wasn't present.

While that's true, I can say having seen the phone footage of the accident itself, is that Bianchi was carrying a lot of speed, far more than I feel he should have been carrying. Yes the conditions were bad, but the speed he went under that crane at was shocking (and I don't use that word lightly). It seems to me, that the tragedy was a 'perfect storm' of mistakes, not just from the marshals/stewards side.

eviltimeban · 25-03-2019 6:20pm

Peyton Lively Tiller wrote: »

Bianchi's accident was due to the recovery vehicle, had that vehicle been adequately kitted out or the race under a full safety car it could have been different, we will never know. Since Senna's death in 1994 Bianchi's has been the only one since. From what i remember the FIA or someone in authority said that the halo wouldn't have saved Bianchi either, it was diffuse axonal.

Serious accidents post Senna, of these one was career ending:

Panis 2 broken legs 1997
Schumacher 1 broken leg 1999
Burti crashed in Begium 2001, F1 career over even though he later tested for Ferrari.
Ralf Schumacher USA 2004 spinal injury

There were 2 marshal fatalities in Monza 2000 & Australia 2001 from debris.

None of us can speculate as to what may have happened if the recovery vehicle wasn't present.

Don't forget Maria De Villota. She crashed testing the Marussia, and though she survived the crash she died a year later of cardiac arrest, as a result of the injuries from the crash. So indirectly she was the first F1 death since Senna.

flazio · 25-03-2019 7:36pm

And of course, Massa's concussion.
Thanks for mentioning the marshals deaths. It always bugs me when people say no one died in F1 between Senna and Bianchi.
Motor sport is dangerous and always will be, however the push for safer racing shouldn't be diminished because advances in this can then filter down into the road cars we drive today.

recyclebin · 26-03-2019 10:47am

Mick Schumacher to test in Bahrain. Is he that good or has his father's name helped?

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 26-03-2019 11:46am

recyclebin wrote: »

Mick Schumacher to test in Bahrain. Is he that good or has his father's name helped?

I just hope it doesn't turn out the same way as Ayrton Senna/Bruno Senna (Lalli).

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 26-03-2019 11:47am

Sour grapes here from Villeneuve, i guess it is nothing to do with what occurred after Germany 2006.

https://f1i.com/news/334164-unsupportive-villeneuve-says-kubica-return-sends-the-wrong-message.html

Jacques Villeneuve admits that Robert Kubica's miraculous return to the F1 grid is an amazing feat, but also one that sends the wrong message according to the Canadian.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 26-03-2019 11:50am

eviltimeban wrote: »

Don't forget Maria De Villota. She crashed testing the Marussia, and though she survived the crash she died a year later of cardiac arrest, as a result of the injuries from the crash. So indirectly she was the first F1 death since Senna.

Completely forgot about that poor lady.

TCP/IP · 26-03-2019 12:11pm

Peyton Lively Tiller wrote: »

Completely forgot about that poor lady.

Bianchi was at fault for his accident it’s been proven that he was speeding during the double yellow flags in fact he was doing 132mph way to fast for the conditions and under caution.

Any death is a tragedy but onus needs to be on the driver to exercise caution at all times.

skipper_G · 26-03-2019 1:35pm

recyclebin wrote: »

Mick Schumacher to test in Bahrain. Is he that good or has his father's name helped?

Objectively speaking his karting results were very competitive (runner up in European & World championships) and he has a decent junior record (European F3 champion, runner up in the German & Italian F4 championships). But I think he's definitely had the benefits of the name, in terms of getting a foot in the door and attracting some financial backing, not that he needed it much given the family wealth. Too early to say how good he can be yet, will be watching his F2 campaign with interest.

eviltimeban · 26-03-2019 2:28pm

Have one episode to go on the Netflix doc, and I don't want it to end! It's really good at putting personalty back into the sport. Getting to know the likes of Gassly, LeClerc, Magnussen etc has really helped with my interest this year. Previously they were just faceless PR machine drivers. I'll be watching the Hulkenberg / Magnussen rivalry closely this year.

We almost didn't need input from Merc, Ferrari, etc. Who doesn't know who Hamilton / Vettel are? The other thing that strikes me is how young these guys are - barely just adults. I never correlated that with the drivers in the cars once the visors went down. These are young kids driving insanely fast cars at the limit. They really are super talented, all of them.

muckwarrior · 26-03-2019 2:29pm

Peyton Lively Tiller wrote: »

Sour grapes here from Villeneuve, i guess it is nothing to do with what occurred after Germany 2006.

https://f1i.com/news/334164-unsupportive-villeneuve-says-kubica-return-sends-the-wrong-message.html

Wow, what a dick. He basically believes anyone with a disability should be banned from racing in F1, regardless of ability.

Killinator · 26-03-2019 2:49pm

eviltimeban wrote: »

Have one episode to go on the Netflix doc, and I don't want it to end! It's really good at putting personalty back into the sport. Getting to know the likes of Gassly, LeClerc, Magnussen etc has really helped with my interest this year. Previously they were just faceless PR machine drivers. I'll be watching the Hulkenberg / Magnussen rivalry closely this year.

We almost didn't need input from Merc, Ferrari, etc. Who doesn't know who Hamilton / Vettel are? The other thing that strikes me is how young these guys are - barely just adults. I never correlated that with the drivers in the cars once the visors went down. These are young kids driving insanely fast cars at the limit. They really are super talented, all of them.

Agreed.
It was fascinating to get a small insight into Grosjean.
The sheer pressure at that level of sport and how it takes its toll is fantastic viewing.

I've one episode left too and would love a series 2.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 26-03-2019 2:49pm

muckwarrior wrote: »

Wow, what a dick. He basically believes anyone with a disability should be banned from racing in F1, regardless of ability.

He's just bitter that BMW Sauber ditched him for Kubica and won't let go of that issue 13 years on. Would JV say the same to Zanardi if he tried an F1 comeback after what happened to him in 2001 or indeed should Billy Monger not be allowed into F1 after his own more recent accident.

Villeneuve himself tried on more than one occasion to get back into F1 and in the modern era i don't think any team would hire him, in fact Renault admitted it was a mistake to bring him back in 2004.

Harika · 26-03-2019 9:19pm

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eviltimeban · 27-03-2019 10:56am

Killinator wrote: »

Agreed.
It was fascinating to get a small insight into Grosjean.
The sheer pressure at that level of sport and how it takes its toll is fantastic viewing.

I've one episode left too and would love a series 2.

I agree, and I really like Grosjean now as a result. These guys have to be so precise; make a judgement call .02 seconds too soon and you're out.

Killinator · 27-03-2019 12:46pm

eviltimeban wrote: »

I agree, and I really like Grosjean now as a result. These guys have to be so precise; make a judgement call .02 seconds too soon and you're out.

And not just out of the race, potentially out of a team and left with potentially no way back....ever!
It is not a forgiving sport and loyalty won't get you very far

Frank Bullitt · 28-03-2019 6:27pm

Alonso to drive the McLaren in the Bahrain test.

We get to see Alonso and a Schumacher on the same track again

pyramuid man · 28-03-2019 8:08pm

eviltimeban wrote: »

I agree, and I really like Grosjean now as a result. These guys have to be so precise; make a judgement call .02 seconds too soon and you're out.

I really changed my mind on Grosjean after his interview on beyond the grid podcast. He is so honest and open about the work he did with his sports psychologist was some rate insight into his mindset.

AMKC · 28-03-2019 9:46pm

Just finished watching it today. It was great to watch. I wonder are Netfliks doing a season two?

Also I wonder has anyone who has not watched F1 or has not been watching for a while watch it? Maybe it will get some more people back into F1. I take it that is the idea behind it.

corminators · 28-03-2019 10:32pm

Sounds lot better than the McLaren Amazon show.
That was painful to watch.

vectra · 29-03-2019 1:05am

This doesn't look promising for Williams

https://www.racefans.net/2019/03/28/kubica-has-to-avoid-kerbs-due-to-parts-shortage/?fbclid=IwAR1ovW-Otpsxqk5tMhMX_A1QLYDZn_5UGr5MgC6pofix6WSyT6nHddRtvKM

weekaizer · 29-03-2019 1:13am

AMKC wrote: »

Just finished watching it today. It was great to watch. I wonder are Netfliks doing a season two?

Also I wonder has anyone who has not watched F1 or has not been watching for a while watch it? Maybe it will get some more people back into F1. I take it that is the idea behind it.

I have a few friends who never watched f1, actually enjoy the series, in particular the rivalries between the force India drivers, magnussen v hulk, Renault vs Red Bull etc!. Daniel ricciardo comes accross his usual energetic best and Gunther Steiner was very entertaining!. Really wish there was an episode dedicated to Kimi though.

eviltimeban · 29-03-2019 10:26am

weekaizer wrote: »

I have a few friends who never watched f1, actually enjoy the series, in particular the rivalries between the force India drivers, magnussen v hulk, Renault vs Red Bull etc!. Daniel ricciardo comes accross his usual energetic best and Gunther Steiner was very entertaining!. Really wish there was an episode dedicated to Kimi though.

There'll probably be a second series, of course we won't see it till next year, but Merc and Ferrari will be in it.

I have friends who haven't watched F1 since the Schumi / Jordan days who said it rekindled their interest. But then I asked them did they watch the Oz race and they said no.

Dont be at yourself · 29-03-2019 10:58am

Last season I watched was Vettel’s first championship win. F1 doc has got me back in it, sitting down fo me P1 this morning!

muckwarrior · 29-03-2019 11:42am

vectra wrote: »

This doesn't look promising for Williams

https://www.racefans.net/2019/03/28/kubica-has-to-avoid-kerbs-due-to-parts-shortage/?fbclid=IwAR1ovW-Otpsxqk5tMhMX_A1QLYDZn_5UGr5MgC6pofix6WSyT6nHddRtvKM

That's embarrassing. Designing a slow car is one thing, but barely being able to put a car together is something we haven't seen since the days of the minnow teams like HRT and Virgin.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 29-03-2019 1:16pm

muckwarrior wrote: »

That's embarrassing. Designing a slow car is one thing, but barely being able to put a car together is something we haven't seen since the days of the minnow teams like HRT and Virgin.

This is worse than HRT & Virgin, both of those teams started/ended life as back markers. Here we are talking about former world champions who if i remember correctly since Brazil 2004 have only taken 1 win (Spain 2012) and 3 Pole positions (Europe 2005,Spain 2012,Austria 2014). I think only McLaren have a worse record for being off the podium so long with their last coming at Australia 2014.

pjohnson · 29-03-2019 2:18pm

muckwarrior wrote: »

That's embarrassing. Designing a slow car is one thing, but barely being able to put a car together is something we haven't seen since the days of the minnow teams like HRT and Virgin.

They werent too bad in that respect it wast Marussia who completely failed to have any kind of car ready for Australia and by the next race Stevens car failed ridiculously early and Bianchi was lapped 8 times (he wasn't even officially classified).

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