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Formula 1 2019 - General Discussion Thread

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Official 2019 Entry List is OUT!

44 Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes-AMG Petronas Motorsport)
77 Valtteri Bottas (Mercedes-AMG Petronas Motorsport)
5 Sebastian Vettel (Scuderia Ferrari Mission Minnnow)
16 Charles Leclerc (Scuderia Ferrari Mission Minnnow)
33 Max Verstappen (Aston Martin Red Bull Racing)
10 Pierre Gasly (Aston Martin Red Bull Racing)
3 Daniel Ricciardo (Renault F1 Team)
27 Nico Hulkenberg (Renault F1 Team)
8 Romain Grosjean (Rich Energy Haas F1 Team)
20 Kevin Magnussen (Rich Energy Haas F1 Team)
55 Carlos Sainz Jnr (McLaren F1 Team)
4 Lando Norris (McLaren F1 Team)
11 Sergio Perez (Racing Point F1 Team)
18 Lance Stroll (Racing Point F1 Team)
7 Kimi Raikkonen (Alfa Romeo Sauber F1 Team)
99 Antonio Giovinazzi (Alfa Romeo Sauber F1 Team)
26 Daniil Kvyat (Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda)
TBA Alexander Albon (Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda)
63 George Russell (Williams Racing)
88 Robert Kubica (Williams Racing)

Only Albon needs to confirm his Race Number, Force India IS gone replaced by just Racing Point. Haas F1 Team is now Rich Energy Haas F1 Team

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Adamocovic

Still sceptical about Ferrari having the best pace, only really seeing it in practice so far where I suspect Merc are not pushing or showing their entire hand.

If they outshine Merc at Qualy then I'll take notice. Would love for Leclerc to challenge for pole.

Also hope that Ricciardo get's through the week trouble free and actually gives us a show.

skipper_G

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.legendary-engineer-patrick-head-returns-to-williams-as-consultant.ftTp03uHGZaJHPVJwYD7N.html

Williams have gone back in time and brought in Sir Patrick Head on a consultancy basis. There's a slight hint of desperation in that, like they have no confidence in any of their technical staff to lead them out the rut they're in.

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Kubica was less than 7 hundreds behind Russell in practice, fairly impressive for a dog of a car with his limitations. But the tighter tracks will be where i'll watch on with interest.

pjohnson

muckwarrior wrote: »

That's embarrassing. Designing a slow car is one thing, but barely being able to put a car together is something we haven't seen since the days of the minnow teams like HRT and Virgin.

They werent too bad in that respect it wast Marussia who completely failed to have any kind of car ready for Australia and by the next race Stevens car failed ridiculously early and Bianchi was lapped 8 times (he wasn't even officially classified).

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muckwarrior wrote: »

That's embarrassing. Designing a slow car is one thing, but barely being able to put a car together is something we haven't seen since the days of the minnow teams like HRT and Virgin.

This is worse than HRT & Virgin, both of those teams started/ended life as back markers. Here we are talking about former world champions who if i remember correctly since Brazil 2004 have only taken 1 win (Spain 2012) and 3 Pole positions (Europe 2005,Spain 2012,Austria 2014). I think only McLaren have a worse record for being off the podium so long with their last coming at Australia 2014.

muckwarrior

vectra wrote: »

This doesn't look promising for Williams

https://www.racefans.net/2019/03/28/kubica-has-to-avoid-kerbs-due-to-parts-shortage/?fbclid=IwAR1ovW-Otpsxqk5tMhMX_A1QLYDZn_5UGr5MgC6pofix6WSyT6nHddRtvKM

That's embarrassing. Designing a slow car is one thing, but barely being able to put a car together is something we haven't seen since the days of the minnow teams like HRT and Virgin.

Dont be at yourself

Last season I watched was Vettel’s first championship win. F1 doc has got me back in it, sitting down fo me P1 this morning!

eviltimeban

weekaizer wrote: »

I have a few friends who never watched f1, actually enjoy the series, in particular the rivalries between the force India drivers, magnussen v hulk, Renault vs Red Bull etc!. Daniel ricciardo comes accross his usual energetic best and Gunther Steiner was very entertaining!. Really wish there was an episode dedicated to Kimi though.

There'll probably be a second series, of course we won't see it till next year, but Merc and Ferrari will be in it.

I have friends who haven't watched F1 since the Schumi / Jordan days who said it rekindled their interest. But then I asked them did they watch the Oz race and they said no.

weekaizer

AMKC wrote: »

Just finished watching it today. It was great to watch. I wonder are Netfliks doing a season two?

Also I wonder has anyone who has not watched F1 or has not been watching for a while watch it? Maybe it will get some more people back into F1. I take it that is the idea behind it.

I have a few friends who never watched f1, actually enjoy the series, in particular the rivalries between the force India drivers, magnussen v hulk, Renault vs Red Bull etc!. Daniel ricciardo comes accross his usual energetic best and Gunther Steiner was very entertaining!. Really wish there was an episode dedicated to Kimi though.

vectra

This doesn't look promising for Williams

https://www.racefans.net/2019/03/28/kubica-has-to-avoid-kerbs-due-to-parts-shortage/?fbclid=IwAR1ovW-Otpsxqk5tMhMX_A1QLYDZn_5UGr5MgC6pofix6WSyT6nHddRtvKM

corminators

Sounds lot better than the McLaren Amazon show.
That was painful to watch.

AMKC

Just finished watching it today. It was great to watch. I wonder are Netfliks doing a season two?

Also I wonder has anyone who has not watched F1 or has not been watching for a while watch it? Maybe it will get some more people back into F1. I take it that is the idea behind it.

pyramuid man

eviltimeban wrote: »

I agree, and I really like Grosjean now as a result. These guys have to be so precise; make a judgement call .02 seconds too soon and you're out.

I really changed my mind on Grosjean after his interview on beyond the grid podcast. He is so honest and open about the work he did with his sports psychologist was some rate insight into his mindset.

Frank Bullitt

Alonso to drive the McLaren in the Bahrain test.

We get to see Alonso and a Schumacher on the same track again

Killinator

eviltimeban wrote: »

I agree, and I really like Grosjean now as a result. These guys have to be so precise; make a judgement call .02 seconds too soon and you're out.

And not just out of the race, potentially out of a team and left with potentially no way back....ever!
It is not a forgiving sport and loyalty won't get you very far

eviltimeban

Killinator wrote: »

Agreed.
It was fascinating to get a small insight into Grosjean.
The sheer pressure at that level of sport and how it takes its toll is fantastic viewing.

I've one episode left too and would love a series 2.

I agree, and I really like Grosjean now as a result. These guys have to be so precise; make a judgement call .02 seconds too soon and you're out.

Harika

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muckwarrior wrote: »

Wow, what a dick. He basically believes anyone with a disability should be banned from racing in F1, regardless of ability.

He's just bitter that BMW Sauber ditched him for Kubica and won't let go of that issue 13 years on. Would JV say the same to Zanardi if he tried an F1 comeback after what happened to him in 2001 or indeed should Billy Monger not be allowed into F1 after his own more recent accident.

Villeneuve himself tried on more than one occasion to get back into F1 and in the modern era i don't think any team would hire him, in fact Renault admitted it was a mistake to bring him back in 2004.

Killinator

eviltimeban wrote: »

Have one episode to go on the Netflix doc, and I don't want it to end! It's really good at putting personalty back into the sport. Getting to know the likes of Gassly, LeClerc, Magnussen etc has really helped with my interest this year. Previously they were just faceless PR machine drivers. I'll be watching the Hulkenberg / Magnussen rivalry closely this year.

We almost didn't need input from Merc, Ferrari, etc. Who doesn't know who Hamilton / Vettel are? The other thing that strikes me is how young these guys are - barely just adults. I never correlated that with the drivers in the cars once the visors went down. These are young kids driving insanely fast cars at the limit. They really are super talented, all of them.

Agreed.
It was fascinating to get a small insight into Grosjean.
The sheer pressure at that level of sport and how it takes its toll is fantastic viewing.

I've one episode left too and would love a series 2.

muckwarrior

Peyton Lively Tiller wrote: »

Sour grapes here from Villeneuve, i guess it is nothing to do with what occurred after Germany 2006.

https://f1i.com/news/334164-unsupportive-villeneuve-says-kubica-return-sends-the-wrong-message.html

Wow, what a dick. He basically believes anyone with a disability should be banned from racing in F1, regardless of ability.

eviltimeban

Have one episode to go on the Netflix doc, and I don't want it to end! It's really good at putting personalty back into the sport. Getting to know the likes of Gassly, LeClerc, Magnussen etc has really helped with my interest this year. Previously they were just faceless PR machine drivers. I'll be watching the Hulkenberg / Magnussen rivalry closely this year.

We almost didn't need input from Merc, Ferrari, etc. Who doesn't know who Hamilton / Vettel are? The other thing that strikes me is how young these guys are - barely just adults. I never correlated that with the drivers in the cars once the visors went down. These are young kids driving insanely fast cars at the limit. They really are super talented, all of them.

skipper_G

recyclebin wrote: »

Mick Schumacher to test in Bahrain. Is he that good or has his father's name helped?

Objectively speaking his karting results were very competitive (runner up in European & World championships) and he has a decent junior record (European F3 champion, runner up in the German & Italian F4 championships). But I think he's definitely had the benefits of the name, in terms of getting a foot in the door and attracting some financial backing, not that he needed it much given the family wealth. Too early to say how good he can be yet, will be watching his F2 campaign with interest.

TCP/IP

Peyton Lively Tiller wrote: »

Completely forgot about that poor lady.

Bianchi was at fault for his accident it’s been proven that he was speeding during the double yellow flags in fact he was doing 132mph way to fast for the conditions and under caution.

Any death is a tragedy but onus needs to be on the driver to exercise caution at all times.

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eviltimeban wrote: »

Don't forget Maria De Villota. She crashed testing the Marussia, and though she survived the crash she died a year later of cardiac arrest, as a result of the injuries from the crash. So indirectly she was the first F1 death since Senna.

Completely forgot about that poor lady.

ayux4rj6zql2ph

Sour grapes here from Villeneuve, i guess it is nothing to do with what occurred after Germany 2006.

https://f1i.com/news/334164-unsupportive-villeneuve-says-kubica-return-sends-the-wrong-message.html

Jacques Villeneuve admits that Robert Kubica's miraculous return to the F1 grid is an amazing feat, but also one that sends the wrong message according to the Canadian.

ayux4rj6zql2ph

recyclebin wrote: »

Mick Schumacher to test in Bahrain. Is he that good or has his father's name helped?

I just hope it doesn't turn out the same way as Ayrton Senna/Bruno Senna (Lalli).

recyclebin

Mick Schumacher to test in Bahrain. Is he that good or has his father's name helped?

flazio

And of course, Massa's concussion.
Thanks for mentioning the marshals deaths. It always bugs me when people say no one died in F1 between Senna and Bianchi.
Motor sport is dangerous and always will be, however the push for safer racing shouldn't be diminished because advances in this can then filter down into the road cars we drive today.

eviltimeban

Peyton Lively Tiller wrote: »

Bianchi's accident was due to the recovery vehicle, had that vehicle been adequately kitted out or the race under a full safety car it could have been different, we will never know. Since Senna's death in 1994 Bianchi's has been the only one since. From what i remember the FIA or someone in authority said that the halo wouldn't have saved Bianchi either, it was diffuse axonal.

Serious accidents post Senna, of these one was career ending:

Panis 2 broken legs 1997
Schumacher 1 broken leg 1999
Burti crashed in Begium 2001, F1 career over even though he later tested for Ferrari.
Ralf Schumacher USA 2004 spinal injury

There were 2 marshal fatalities in Monza 2000 & Australia 2001 from debris.

None of us can speculate as to what may have happened if the recovery vehicle wasn't present.

Don't forget Maria De Villota. She crashed testing the Marussia, and though she survived the crash she died a year later of cardiac arrest, as a result of the injuries from the crash. So indirectly she was the first F1 death since Senna.

Inviere

Peyton Lively Tiller wrote: »

None of us can speculate as to what may have happened if the recovery vehicle wasn't present.

While that's true, I can say having seen the phone footage of the accident itself, is that Bianchi was carrying a lot of speed, far more than I feel he should have been carrying. Yes the conditions were bad, but the speed he went under that crane at was shocking (and I don't use that word lightly). It seems to me, that the tragedy was a 'perfect storm' of mistakes, not just from the marshals/stewards side.