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General Rugby Discussion II

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    #6602
    Buer
    Registered Users Posts: 24,183 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    OurDS. Robbie Diack, Leinster legend.

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    #6603
    yerrahbah
    Registered Users Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭yerrahbah


    Of course there is an advantage for Leinster playing games in the Aviva (even if it is empty)

    But if that is deemed the most practical and safest way of proceeding then personally it wont bother me.


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    #6604
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,076 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    yerrahbah wrote: »
    Of course there is an advantage for Leinster playing games in the Aviva (even if it is empty)

    But if that is deemed the most practical and safest way of proceeding then personally it wont bother me.

    What's the advantage?


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    #6605
    yerrahbah
    Registered Users Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭yerrahbah


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    What's the advantage?

    Its one of their home stadiums


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    #6606
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,199 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    What's the advantage?
    All the virtual home supporters in the stadium. :D


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    #6607
    AdamD
    Registered Users Posts: 12,411 ✭✭✭✭AdamD


    If Ulster produced more internationals it might feel like a home game for them too


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    #6608
    Buer
    Registered Users Posts: 24,183 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    What's the advantage?

    The guys are going to be far more comforable playing in a familiar environment and they won't have had to sit on a bus for 2-3 hours to get to their match. It's obviously a diminished advantage but it's still there.

    Jonathan Sexton has taken thousands of kicks at the posts in the Aviva over the past 10 years. Players are much more aware of the space available, conditions etc.


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    #6609
    errlloyd
    Registered Users Posts: 12,601 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    I agree that there is a small home advantage even in an often unused empty stadium.

    But these interpros are going to be a joke anyway. You've seen the season they have planned for next year, there is no chance Sexton's Aviva experience is going to be utilised in a regular-season interpro against Ulster.


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    #6610
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    haha this is gas! The benefits to playing “at home” are surely going to be massively outweighed by the absolutely bizarre new experience of playing a full match in a massive empty stadium. People must be really bored


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    #6611
    awec
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    errlloyd wrote: »
    I agree that there is a small home advantage even in an often unused empty stadium.

    But these interpros are going to be a joke anyway. You've seen the season they have planned for next year, there is no chance Sexton's Aviva experience is going to be utilised in a regular-season interpro against Ulster.

    Nothing new there!


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    #6612
    bilston
    Registered Users Posts: 17,756 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    troyzer wrote: »
    What even is a home game without a crowd?

    I've played most of my life in front of one man and his dog, and playing at my home ground with nobody watching was a lot easier than travelling to an away ground to play with nobody watching.


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    #6613
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    bilston wrote: »
    I've played most of my life in front of one man and his dog, and playing at my home ground with nobody watching was a lot easier than travelling to an away ground to play with nobody watching.

    Because you were playing at your club, which you are familiar with. I assume you train there and everything. Leinster players train elsewhere and play the majority of their games elsewhere. Non-internationals rarely ever play in the Aviva. A 3rd choice Leinster player would play in the Aviva far FAR less often than an Ulster or Munster international.

    I completely get there being home advantage when there’s a big crowd. The only difference now really is the extra travel time. It’s absolutely minimal.


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    #6614
    bilston
    Registered Users Posts: 17,756 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Because you were playing at your club, which you are familiar with. I assume you train there and everything. Leinster players train elsewhere and play the majority of their games elsewhere. Non-internationals rarely ever play in the Aviva. A 3rd choice Leinster player would play in the Aviva far FAR less often than an Ulster or Munster international.

    I completely get there being home advantage when there’s a big crowd. The only difference now really is the extra travel time. It’s absolutely minimal.

    Oh I don't have a problem with the games being played at the Aviva. I was thinking in terms of games being played at the RDS which I think would have given Leinster a bit more of an advantage due to familiarity.

    It will be interesting to see what sort of teams we see selected in these games. In theory there could be a lot of rugby played in the second half of 2020, but on the other hand the Inter Pros might be all there is! Time will tell.


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    #6615
    clsmooth
    Registered Users Posts: 3,560 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    I wonder if they’d consider playing it in the RDS? Would be a better ‘atmosphere’ and more of a home match than playing in the Aviva


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    #6616
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    clsmooth wrote: »
    I wonder if they’d consider playing it in the RDS? Would be a better ‘atmosphere’ and more of a home match than playing in the Aviva
    but that's not point. Atmosphere wont be better and it's not there to be more of a home game for leinster.
    Aviva can be completely closed off far more than rds can.


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    #6617
    Burkie1203
    Registered Users Posts: 11,176 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    clsmooth wrote: »
    I wonder if they’d consider playing it in the RDS? Would be a better ‘atmosphere’ and more of a home match than playing in the Aviva

    IRFU have control over the Aviva. They have none over the RDS and the Aviva has already been prepped for BCD games


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    #6618
    bilston
    Registered Users Posts: 17,756 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    clsmooth wrote: »
    I wonder if they’d consider playing it in the RDS? Would be a better ‘atmosphere’ and more of a home match than playing in the Aviva

    Maybe they should give Leinster a 3 point headstart as well :-)


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    #6619
    molloyjh
    Registered Users Posts: 24,745 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    bilston wrote: »
    Maybe they should give Leinster a 3 point headstart as well :-)

    Keep talking...


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    #6620
    Bridge93
    Registered Users Posts: 7,018 ✭✭✭Bridge93


    Anywhere other than the Aviva makes little sense but surely the RDS makes the least sense of all? If they were going to use club facilities surely it would make more sense to go to one of the provincial grounds away from the Irish epicentre of the virus? Dublin makes up nearly 50% of Irish cases. As it is it'll be the Aviva or bust anyway due to control


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    #6621
    salmocab
    Registered Users Posts: 11,296 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    I see talk on off the ball of a 16 team tournament next summer played in Britain and Ireland to alleviate the financial burden on all the unions. Interesting idea that might make financial sense. Although very hard to see something like that happening.


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    #6622
    bilston
    Registered Users Posts: 17,756 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    salmocab wrote: »
    I see talk on off the ball of a 16 team tournament next summer played in Britain and Ireland to alleviate the financial burden on all the unions. Interesting idea that might make financial sense. Although very hard to see something like that happening.

    Haven't heard this particular idea, but I'd say everything is up for grabs.

    Listening to OTB and their most recent chat with BOD he seems to think that South Africa's migration north is a definite possibility now. In the past it was floated as an idea but was always something that was long term. It could well happen much sooner now.


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    #6623
    Panda Killa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭Panda Killa


    errlloyd wrote: »
    I agree that there is a small home advantage even in an often unused empty stadium.

    But these interpros are going to be a joke anyway. You've seen the season they have planned for next year, there is no chance Sexton's Aviva experience is going to be utilised in a regular-season interpro against Ulster.

    I'm not sure....since the German football league has restarted, there has been a massive decrease in "home wins" down from 50+% to about 13%
    That's a staggering fall away and might be the same in rugby too, time will tell


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    #6624
    Bazzo
    Registered Users Posts: 7,047 ✭✭✭Bazzo


    10 optional law trial approved by world rugby

    https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1265929007008296960?s=19


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    #6625
    molloyjh
    Registered Users Posts: 24,745 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    The amount of people replying to that who simply dont understand how much the game is suffering & will continue to suffer without any income is scary. It's not like Unions have kept that quiet or anything. "You're just turning it into rugby league. Either it's safe to play or it isn't. Just wait until it is".

    Why do so many people struggle to stop & think before they speak/type?


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    #6626
    bilston
    Registered Users Posts: 17,756 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    The scrum looks to be the big rugby loser from Coronavirus.

    If scrum resets are done away with what are they being replaced with? A free kick?


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    #6627
    Bazzo
    Registered Users Posts: 7,047 ✭✭✭Bazzo


    bilston wrote: »
    The scrum looks to be the big rugby loser from Coronavirus.

    If scrum resets are done away with what are they being replaced with? A free kick?

    Yep, free kick to attacking team.

    Orange card looks interesting. High shot and the player goes straight off, tmo reviews and then decide either it was a red(stays off) or yellow/penalty - back on after 15 minutes.


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    #6628
    [Deleted User]
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    Removing the choke tackle

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    #6629
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,079 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    bilston wrote: »
    The scrum looks to be the big rugby loser from Coronavirus.

    If scrum resets are done away with what are they being replaced with? A free kick?
    Bazzo wrote: »
    Yep, free kick to attacking team.

    And then you take the scrum again?

    Whilst I get the need to do something to get the game back , this essentially removes the scrum from the game.

    Weaker Scrum - Fluff the engagement and just give up a free kick instead of a penalty later for collapsing or whatever.

    Will the refs escalate on the offender - e.g. Straight to penalty if it's repetitive?

    I'm absolutely ok with some short term solutions to get us back playing , but my fear is that the "Marketing" types will push to keep the change because they think it's a better "Product"!! . The Australians will be ALL over this to remain permanently.


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    #6630
    Bazzo
    Registered Users Posts: 7,047 ✭✭✭Bazzo


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    And then you take the scrum again?

    One of the other proposed changes is no scrum option for penalty or free kick

    I think a lot of these changes are intended to be temporary just to get rugby back going. I understand they may not be to everyone's taste but the game needs money coming in or it will be in a very bad position


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    #6631
    jacothelad
    Registered Users Posts: 5,911 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    Bazzo wrote: »
    10 optional law trial approved by world rugby

    https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1265929007008296960?s=19


    Does the Orange card mean the player has to march around the traditional perimeter while playing a flute for 15 minutes?.....:D


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