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03-12-2018, 21:18   #46
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5 years ago when I had no responsibilities there wouldnt have been any argument in the world that would make me even consider leaving Ireland. Now with 2 small kids, I would probably consider somewhere like Canada if the offer presented itself.

We bring in more money than I ever expected to earn and yet never seem to be able to get ahead. Stating that to anyone seems to be met with "sure arent there people worse off than you" - which is true of course, but is that now the standard we should all work towards?

We made the choice to buy a house and to have kids knowing theyd have to go into creche, no one forced us - but to me they are pretty basic choices that shouldnt be this hard to maintain from a financial / quality of life perspective. I dont see that changing any time soon, and having recently written to my TD and gotten a response Im surer that it wont. Irish politics seems to be forever limited to short term reactive measures.

So while I wont be rushing to book a flight, I get where the OP is coming from.
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I have decided to pack my bags in 2019 and leave Ireland, hopefully permanently.

The reason I am leaving is I no longer want to live in such regressive society where I am taxed into the ground. There is no incentive to do anything properly in the way I would like to do it.

Overall combined taxation rates are close to 80% and we don't get any useful public services.

Some quick facts below

VAT is 23%

Income tax is 20% on the first €43,550, 40% on earnings above this.

Mineral Oil Tax on Petrol is 54.1% plus Carbon Tax of 4.5% + VAT @ 23%
Mineral Oil Tax on Diesel is 42.5% plus Carbon Tax of 5.3% + VAT @ 23%

Stamp Duty is 1% of Purchase Price on purchase of a home on the first 1 million, 2% after first million.

Stamp Duty is 6% on all non Residential Property, e.g. Farmland or Commerical Property.

Universal Service Charge

Rate Income Band
0.5% Up to €12,012
2.5% From €12,012.01 to €19,372.00
4.75% From €19,372.01 to €70,044.00
8% From €70,044.01 to €100,000.00
8% Any PAYE income over €100,000
11% Non-PAYE (Self-employed) income over €100,000

Local Property Tax if you own your own home varies with most people having €300 to €600 of a levy to pay, depending on the value of your home.

Vehicle Registration Tax variesbut generates billions for the state each year on new and second hand cars imported from the UK.

CAT Inheritance tax is 33% So imagine you go through life and pay all these taxes and maybe save money and then you reach a point where you want to hand it over to your children or appointed heir, the state will then come along and take 33% of it off you, this is money which was prevsiouly taxed already.

There is many many more taxes which I haven't mentioned but the effective rate of tax is 80% and then you see people effectively working themselves into an early grave, busting their guts to keep the country moving for what?

With these levels of taxation you'd imagine we'd be living in a Socialist utopia,

Instead we have a total disgrace of a Health care system which exists as a dumping ground for the failed careers of Administrators. Nurses and Doctors who work here must be masochists to tolerate such a disaster.

Social Housing, there is thousands homeless, I don't care what their status or immigration documentations state, once again the money is there to fix this. If any of us drones who are paying these huge taxes fall on hard times the safety net is not there.

Public Transport, it might aswell not exist and where it does it is vastly over-priced.

Justice and Policing, neither exist other than to enforce these brutal taxation regimes, don't pay your taxes and you will likely spend longer in prison than a career thief or murderer. Rotating doors makes Ireland a criminals paradise.


Ireland has Nordic Taxation levels and developing country levels of public services.

Taxation is theft because you pay for nothing other than lies from corrupt politicians.

Why would a person bother working, you are better to draw welfare and have nothing to your name and just enjoy life because work does not pay in Ireland. I don't loathe these people, as a matter of fact I envy them. Why bother trying to do the right thing in Ireland when the Govt will tax it and take it away from you. Why bother respecting any law because you will not be punished.
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It does seem that our recent growth rate hasn’t really helped the average joe. Of course we still have a major debt overhang.
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03-12-2018, 21:27   #49
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Just wait until we get "culturally enriched" with Leo's 2040 plan to raise the population by 1 million.
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I never get why people oppose inheritance taxes. You could set a limit to only catch the top 30% but without them all countries become feudal oligarchies.
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If the op is honest, wherever he or she ends up, they will say "you know Ireland isn't as bad as I thought it was".

There is no utopia. Some places do things better than others. It's the way of the world.

I have seen holland, Sweden, Germany, Norway mentioned in this thread. That's all well and good, but there's a language to be learned for the op, and in plenty of other countries. Not everyone can manage to learn languages easily. And if you don't, it'll be very difficult to get yourself a good job.

And then there's the job itself. Are you going to walk into a well paying career in a foreign country just like that? I doubt it.

And don't forget many countries don't just want any Tom, Dick and Harry walking into their country. Many won't let you.

Good luck anyway op, keep us updated with your new wonderful life.
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I moved to Australia in 2017. Great country but I’ll always move home to Ireland
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5 years ago when I had no responsibilities there wouldnt have been any argument in the world that would make me even consider leaving Ireland. Now with 2 small kids, I would probably consider somewhere like Canada if the offer presented itself.

We bring in more money than I ever expected to earn and yet never seem to be able to get ahead. Stating that to anyone seems to be met with "sure arent there people worse off than you" - which is true of course, but is that now the standard we should all work towards?

We made the choice to buy a house and to have kids knowing theyd have to go into creche, no one forced us - but to me they are pretty basic choices that shouldnt be this hard to maintain from a financial / quality of life perspective. I dont see that changing any time soon, and having recently written to my TD and gotten a response Im surer that it wont. Irish politics seems to be forever limited to short term reactive measures.

So while I wont be rushing to book a flight, I get where the OP is coming from.
Yep agree with you. I've two kids and I stay at home so a bit different to your crèche situation but my husband earns a good salary, we don't have childcare costs and our mortgage is low but we still never have any money left at the end of month, taxes in this country are crippling! If something miscellaneous pops up we don't have spare funds for it. Politicians don't live in the real world with their highly inflated salaries and expenses, they just don't get it.
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I moved to Australia in 2017. Great country but I’ll always move home to Ireland
But I'm sure if you put your mind to it, you could provide us with a list of negatives about Australia.
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You could go North.

North Sentinel Island



No tax there whatsoever and an idyllic unspoiled environment.
Yeah, but they are border control 2018 champions.
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You'll be back they always come back.the grass is always greener.you'll be back.
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Cannot find fault with any of the comments the op makes..especially the long term unemployed wasters who regularly draw down from the system even though we're now led to believe that were nearly running at 100%employment and will again need to start looking for employees from overseas to fill certain roles..why not either make these longterm unemployed people take up jobs and contribute to society or else cut off all state benefits .maybe let them in their state payed accommodation hate to see them homeless....they might cry discrimination.. as a nation yes were far too quiet..while lots work were far too chicken to protest about daylight crime..and sure we couldn't expect the politicians to comment negatively about any minority cheats..
Unfortunately yes I agree with everything op says either move out or stay quiet and work on.. but I don't agree with the comment about the irish being sound.. I'd feel much more in danger strolling round any irish city compared to France or Germany ..we've turned into a European Capitol sh.. hole big time and unfortunately many that give it this title are natives..
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Your "facts" are a bit off.

On VRT the state doesn't make "billions" every year. Last years VRT was the highest take in 10 years and was still about 800 million. 5 Years ago it was only 300 million.

Also you're deliberately misrepresenting inheritance tax. It's true that a person can spend their lives working, earning and paying tax on money/assets/property etc. and may want to pass it on to their children.

But it's not the giver who gets the inheritance tax bill, it's the receiver. So nobody pays tax twice on the same thing. The giver pays tax once, and the receiver pays tax once. This "you're paying tax on something you already paid tax on" is boll*x.
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I wouldn't mind moving to a European city such as Berlin, but Im way too lazy to learn a language other than English.
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Living standards are plummeting. Year in year out, the cost of living is exceeding inflation and wage increases.
Are they really though, overall?

For some people, you are probably right, but for many in the lower or subsidised income brackets, living standards have improved greatly. We live in a more equal society than years gone by. Which does mean standards have fallen for some, but that is a good thing, and a price worth paying.
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