Armstrong Cup 2018-19

macelligott · 09-12-2018 3:19pm

Captains seem to be slow uploading results to http://www.chessleague.net/chessorg/leinster/fixtures.php?org=1&lid=101

cdeb · 09-12-2018 3:25pm

Really?

Every result up to but not including yesterday is updated. And two of the five matches which took place yesterday are already updated.

I think your expectations are slightly unrealistic tbh.

macelligott · 09-12-2018 3:28pm

cdeb wrote: »

Really?

Every result up to but not including yesterday is updated. And two of the five matches which took place yesterday are already updated.

I think your expectations are slightly unrealistic tbh.

Which means 3 of the 5 matches played yesterday were not submitted yet!

cdeb · 09-12-2018 3:45pm

Or were submitted after the controller last logged on.

Seriously, the games ended less than 24 hours ago. You know most of the results. It's not an issue if the league table isn't updated. If it is - then new volunteers for divisional controller are always welcome.

Retd.LoyolaCpt · 09-12-2018 4:11pm

cdeb wrote: »

Or were submitted after the controller last logged on.

Seriously, the games ended less than 24 hours ago. You know most of the results. It's not an issue if the league table isn't updated. If it is - then new volunteers for divisional controller are always welcome.

I’m sure the other results will go up soon - we submitted ours yday but it isn’t there yet

cdeb · 09-12-2018 11:00pm

And now they're all updated. Breathe again!

macelligott · 09-12-2018 11:02pm

cdeb wrote: »

And now they're all updated. Breathe again!

:-)

ishidaogo · 09-12-2018 11:14pm

Now Bray 4.5 DL 2.5

Retd.LoyolaCpt · 11-12-2018 12:55am

Blanchardstown 2-5 Gonzaga A - one game tomorrow.

Retd.LoyolaCpt · 11-12-2018 9:31pm

Retd.LoyolaCpt wrote: »

Blanchardstown 2-5 Gonzaga A - one game tomorrow.

Blanch 2-6 Gonzaga A

Retd.LoyolaCpt · 13-12-2018 6:06pm

Retd.LoyolaCpt wrote: »

I was wrong - Li away at youth Olympiad. Rounds 3-4 will be rated in time for January.

Li 1-0 Quigley so Gonzaga A win that match against Kilkenny 5.5-2.5.

Gonzaga A are therefore 2 points clear at Christmas having played Trinity (2nd), Gonzaga B (3rd), Elm Mount (5th), Kilkenny (6th) and Blanchardstown (9th). Bray (4th) up next.

Trinity (2 behind) and Gonzaga B (4 behind) make up the top 3. Both have had far easier fixtures having only played 2 of the top 6 each.

At the other end, Dun Laoghaire are on 11 (1 adj), Rathmines on 13 (2 adj) and Balbriggan 15.5 are out by themselves in a 3 horse scrap currently. They'll hope that Blanchardstown and others join them; each of those 3 have had a fairly tough fixture list so far having played 3-4 of the top 6.

sodacat11 · 13-12-2018 9:16pm

Retd.LoyolaCpt wrote: »

At the other end, Dun Laoghaire are on 11 (1 adj), Rathmines on 13 (2 adj) and Balbriggan 15.5 are out by themselves in a 3 horse scrap currently. They'll hope that Blanchardstown and others join them; each of those 3 have had a fairly tough fixture list so far having played 3-4 of the top 6.

It's a bit of a chicken and egg situation. Maybe the only reason that 3 of the 4 we played are in the top six is because they've played us. The second half of the fixture list doesn't look much easier for any of the struggling teams.

Rathminor · 13-12-2018 11:55pm

Kilkenny 5.5 Rathmines 2.5

Tim Harding · 15-12-2018 8:18pm

Was the Tom O'Gorman v De Verdier game played this afternoon?

That's the only result still awaited to complete round 5.

Round 6 matches are scheduled for mid-January:

Gonzaga B v Elm Mount and Balbriggan v Kilkenny (Sat 12th)
St. Benildus v Trinity and Dun Laoghaire v Dublin (Wed 16th)
Rathmines v Blanchardstown (Thurs 17th)
Gonzaga A v Bray/Greystones (Sat 19th).

sodacat11 · 16-12-2018 1:05am

It is interesting to note that Rathmines has only used its eight highest rated players in 26 of the 40 games played so far. Non availability of players is a big factor in our league position.

macelligott · 29-12-2018 7:02pm

No sign of Armstrong Rounds 3 & 4 being rated yet by iCU or FIDE :-(
The games have been finished for quite a while and I think tomorrow is the deadline for submission to FIDE for January rating.
They were to be rated in December but there was an outstanding game so submission was delayed. But FIDE won't be happy if we miss both the December and January deadline!

Tim Harding · 29-12-2018 7:15pm

There is also still no result in the round 5 game De Verdier v Tom O'Gorman. Has this been played?

Postponing games of players who don't live in Ireland is a bad practice IMHO and this is one of several areas where the league rules need tightening up before next season.

I thought that maybe Tom was coming over for the Leinster Juniors which starts on Tuesday but he is not in the entry list at present.
If this game hasn't been played by 31 December I think it should be scored 0-0.

macelligott · 29-12-2018 7:21pm

Tim,

But the submission of Rounds 3 & 4 to FIDE is the more immediate challenge.
Deadline tomorrow perhaps?

Round 5 will be submitted with Round 6 so the deadline is a month away.

Tim Harding · 29-12-2018 8:49pm

Not only will the FIDE rating be delayed, but also the ICU rating of the leagues? Normally January is a major update, and then February (before Bunratty)?

Yes, if it's true the LCU controller hasn't sent the ICU rating officer the necessary files, then it is necessary to replace him immediately!

After the bad decisions he made last April, which had to be overturned on appeal, he shouldn't have been allowed to continue in that role, but I suppose it's not easy to find a volunteer to replace him. I certainly wouldn't have the time.

Joedryan · 30-12-2018 1:47am

Whats all this? Instead of trying to blame individuals maybe the system needs to be over-hauled and automated somewhat.

Just thoughts.

prey · 30-12-2018 4:08am

Tim Harding wrote: »

There is also still no result in the round 5 game De Verdier v Tom O'Gorman. Has this been played?

Postponing games of players who don't live in Ireland is a bad practice IMHO and this is one of several areas where the league rules need tightening up before next season.

I thought that maybe Tom was coming over for the Leinster Juniors which starts on Tuesday but he is not in the entry list at present.
If this game hasn't been played by 31 December I think it should be scored 0-0.

MdV 1-0 TO'G weeks ago

Tim Harding · 30-12-2018 11:32am

prey wrote: »

MdV 1-0 TO'G weeks ago

Thanks; it is still not up on the LCU league website.

As Joe said, maybe there needs to be an automated system so that all results once confirmed there go straight to the ICU rating system, but the rating officer needs a complete tournament or round; if a result or two is missing then he cannot proceed.
The Heidenfeld and Ennis results have also not been sent to FIDE yet and today is the deadline, I think.

I heard that the ratings officer has more than once requested the data but not received it. If the LCU controller is unwell and unable to answer, should there not be a deputy who can do it?

As I have suggested before, these three divisions should either be put under ICU control, or not FIDE-rated.

mikhail · 30-12-2018 1:36pm

Tim Harding wrote: »

Thanks; it is still not up on the LCU league website.

That's not really good enough. You called Tom out by name, and cast aspersions on his behaviour, speculated behaviour you considered unsporting enough to call for it to be banned. You owe him a public apology.

Tim Harding · 30-12-2018 3:26pm

mikhail wrote: »

That's not really good enough. You called Tom out by name, and cast aspersions on his behaviour, speculated behaviour you considered unsporting enough to call for it to be banned. You owe him a public apology.

That's a crazy reaction, totally out of proportion.

I did not say Tom did anything wrong, just that maybe the captains made an arrangement that could not be fulfilled. As it turns out the game was played in time but the result was not posted.

I don't consider I owe Tom any apology, or De Verdier for that matter.

cdeb · 30-12-2018 7:02pm

mikhail wrote: »

That's not really good enough. You called Tom out by name, and cast aspersions on his behaviour, speculated behaviour you considered unsporting enough to call for it to be banned. You owe him a public apology.

I don't think Tim's called for anyone to be banned in fairness? He's suggested a tightening up of rules and a 0-0 award if the game isn't yet played (as Brady v Daly last year)

I think Tim can be slightly harsh with his views on rule implementations at times (unless it's against Trinity), but I'm not sure this is one of those times.

sodacat11 · 31-12-2018 11:03am

cdeb wrote: »

I think Tim can be slightly harsh with his views on rule implementations at times (unless it's against Trinity), but I'm not sure this is one of those times.

"Slightly" is not an adverb that I would use to describe any of Tim's comments.

Tim Harding · 31-12-2018 11:21am

sodacat11 wrote: »

"Slightly" is not an adverb that I would use to describe any of Tim's comments.

Or yours!

Tim Harding · 31-12-2018 11:30am

macelligott wrote: »

Tim,

But the submission of Rounds 3 & 4 to FIDE is the more immediate challenge.
Deadline tomorrow perhaps?

Round 5 will be submitted with Round 6 so the deadline is a month away.

I just looked (10.30am Monday) and the Armstrong rounds 3-4 have been uploaded to FIDE just in time, but not the Heidenfeld and Ennis as yet.

So the Armstrong should be included in January FIDE ratings but it was originally scheduled to be included for December.

There is no obvious reason why round 5 is scheduled to be uploaded with round 6 unless it's a FIDE requirement to submit rounds in pairs (doubtful). Last season it meant that games played in November did not get rated until March whereas it could have been rated for January. I actually made this point from the floor at the agm.

sodacat11 · 31-12-2018 11:45am

Tim Harding wrote: »

Or yours!

My New year resolution is to be more P.C

mikhail · 01-01-2019 2:50pm

Tim Harding wrote: »

That's a crazy reaction, totally out of proportion.

That's how I feel about most of your posts here, but then I rate slander a higher offence than not updating the league tables instantly.

HaraldSchmidt · 01-01-2019 6:18pm

Blaming the players for postponing their matches is wrong, as it is the captains who are trying to get their strongest team out, and if they are allowed to postpone games, then they will do so.

Many years ago, games were often played many months after their scheduled date. It was very difficult to know where the teams stood.

Peter Scott took over, and insisted on all games being played before or on the scheduled match date. Since he has stepped back the current controller has given more leeway to the captains in organising the matches. It would seem that this is not a good idea.

No doubt there will be pressure on the LCU to reduce the number of postponements allowed next season.

Joedryan · 02-01-2019 12:10am

HaraldSchmidt wrote: »

Blaming the players for postponing their matches is wrong, as it is the captains who are trying to get their strongest team out, and if they are allowed to postpone games, then they will do so.

Many years ago, games were often played many months after their scheduled date. It was very difficult to know where the teams stood.

Peter Scott took over, and insisted on all games being played before or on the scheduled match date. Since he has stepped back the current controller has given more leeway to the captains in organising the matches. It would seem that this is not a good idea.

No doubt there will be pressure on the LCU to reduce the number of postponements allowed next season.

Why? I agree it needs to be stopped permanently but if players stopped doing it that might help the process along...

Retd.LoyolaCpt · 12-01-2019 10:00pm

Balbriggan 4.5-3.5 Kilkenny
Gonzaga B 5-2 Elm Mount - one game to play

sodacat11 · 13-01-2019 12:55pm

Retd.LoyolaCpt wrote: »

Balbriggan 4.5-3.5 Kilkenny
Gonzaga B 5-2 Elm Mount - one game to play

Call me a sceptic but I can't help wondering, given the distance involved, whether all the drawn games in the balbriggan v kk match were actually played at all.
Really annoying for the teams struggling at the bottom when their rivals get to face a much weaker Kilkenny than they had to

cdeb · 13-01-2019 1:00pm

Balbriggan have a very dependable team; they hardly ever use subs. (Not a single one last season for example)

You'd imagine if Kilkenny were short a couple of players, Balbriggan would hardly agree draws when the alternative was to have their full team face a weakened Kilkenny team.

sodacat11 · 13-01-2019 1:39pm

cdeb wrote: »

Balbriggan have a very dependable team; they hardly ever use subs. (Not a single one last season for example)

You'd imagine if Kilkenny were short a couple of players, Balbriggan would hardly agree draws when the alternative was to have their full team face a weakened Kilkenny team.

If you look at the ratings for the drawn games and the Balbriggan league position prior to the match you will see that draws in any of these games would have been very welcome to Balbriggan. Kilkenny have a history of pre arranged draws in away games but maybe that's not what happened yesterday.

Tim Harding · 13-01-2019 5:43pm

cdeb wrote: »

Balbriggan have a very dependable team; they hardly ever use subs. (Not a single one last season for example)

You'd imagine if Kilkenny were short a couple of players, Balbriggan would hardly agree draws when the alternative was to have their full team face a weakened Kilkenny team.

This time Balbriggan were missing their top board, Bart, and they still won! Kilkenny fielded none of their 2200+ titled players.

sodacat11 · 13-01-2019 6:27pm

Tim Harding wrote: »

This time Balbriggan were missing their top board, Bart, and they still won! Kilkenny fielded none of their 2200+ titled players.

Good point. With all this hassle about travel and rural teams fielding weak teams against some clubs and not others maybe the obvious solution is a Dublin league played on weeknights and a rural league at weekends.

macelligott · 14-01-2019 11:03am

Big match for the relegation battle will be R6 Rathmines v Blanchardstown on Thursday 17th.

sodacat11 · 14-01-2019 11:40am

macelligott wrote: »

Big match for the relegation battle will be R6 Rathmines v Blanchardstown on Thursday 17th.

Any less than a big win and we,Rathmines, will be up a well known creek without a paddle .

Tim Harding · 17-01-2019 12:39am

Any news of Dun Laoghaire v Dublin tonight?

St Benildus 4.5 Trinity 3.5; unfortunately they had their full top eight out for the first time whereas we were missing Ioana.
Good win for Stephen Moran against Stephen Brady was our highlight.

ishidaogo · 17-01-2019 12:40am

DL led Dublin 3.5 to 1.5 at 10 30
And final score was 4.5 for DL a welcome first win of the season

Retd.LoyolaCpt · 18-01-2019 12:23am

Rathmines 2.5-5.5 Blanchardstown

Advanced games in the below:
Bray 1.5-1.5 Gonzaga A - the rest on Saturday as scheduled.

Retd.LoyolaCpt · 19-01-2019 8:23pm

Gonzaga A 6-2 Bray
Kilkenny 4.5-3.5 Gonzaga B

Tim Harding · 19-01-2019 8:39pm

Retd.LoyolaCpt wrote: »

Gonzaga A 6-2 Bray
Kilkenny 4.5-3.5 Gonzaga B

Very confusing with two teams one round ahead. So I think the standings are:

Gonzaga A 34 (after 6 completed matches)

Gonzaga B 32.5 (7, except one game still to be played with Elm Mount from round 6)

Trinity 29.5 (6 matches)

Kilkenny 29 (7 matches)

rd 7 to come:
Elm Mount-Trinity on 28 Jan
Dublin v Gonzaga A on 2 feb

Foot of the table is clearer, all from 6 matches: Bray 24, Balbriggan 20, Rathmines 16.5 and Dun Laoghaire 15.5.

cdeb · 20-01-2019 1:05pm

Tim Harding wrote: »

St Benildus 4.5 Trinity 3.5; unfortunately they had their full top eight out for the first time

Had a full team for the first match too. Trinity a bit unlucky that our form has finally started to turn, though we probably should have had more out of the game. I think at least 6-2 was looking likely at one stage.

Starting to look fairly ominous at the bottom for Rathmines and Dún Laoghaire, though they still have to meet, and a big win for either would be a big boost.

Gonzaga 1-2 at the top is an amazing achievement, although Trinity can split that with their game in hand.

sodacat11 · 20-01-2019 3:48pm

cdeb wrote: »

Starting to look fairly ominous at the bottom for Rathmines and Dún Laoghaire, though they still have to meet, and a big win for either would be a big boost..

I think that the situation is well past the "ominous" stage and a lot closer to doomed. We haven't had anything near a full team out even once this season which is a shame because we have more than enough strength in the club to be comfortably mid table.
I was in hospital for a week so missed our latest match but had I been well enough to play I would have found a way to sneak out of the hospital and turn up.
Anyway, when we do get relegated we should be able to bounce straight back up.

macelligott · 22-01-2019 8:15am

R6 Elm Mount 2-6 Gonzaga “B”
Postponed game played last night (Gonzaga player was playing Mulcahy in Cork on original match date).

macelligott · 29-01-2019 2:17am

R7. Elm Mount 3.5-4.5 TCD

cdeb · 31-01-2019 12:47am

Dún Laoghaire 1½-6½ St Benildus

Armstrong Cup 2018-19

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