So UFOs aren't a theory anymore - but we still don't know what they are

Dohnjoe wrote: »

I'm sceptical. If you want, link a piece of footage you believe demonstrates this.

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Don't know, just interested in the clip/footage that you think is the strongest.

py2006 wrote: »

If you decide to do your own googling, start with what President Obama said recently and move from there.

There have been lots and lots of really strange lights that could not be explained as drones around Stillorgan/Blackrock as of late. Some with a yellow hue, some with red and white flashing lights but moving erratically, that could not be a plane and a very large yellow one. I've also noticed some smaller white lights moving around the night skies.

Curious activity. No idea what they are, so I guess they are UFOs. :)

Probably just weather balloons or comets.

Lay off the drugs, buddy.

What are you exactly disputing? That the best military, and Navy, don't know what they are doing? That they saw balloons....

https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Releases/Release/Article/2165713/statement-by-the-department-of-defense-on-the-release-of-historical-navy-videos/

US Military have officially confirmed they've recorded dozens of these incidents in last 15 years and that they believe the ones which are truly unidentified are not foreign adversary nor their own (e.g. secret programme). And they confirmed this is a matter of national security - hence the report and hence the creation of the UAP Task Force.

Report here:

https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Prelimary-Assessment-UAP-20210625.pdf

You may need to check documentary and evidence on the Nimitz encounters (2004) - 2 professional navy pilots seen the UFO, the best US military radar on the carrier recorded the object, and the radar on the E-2 Hawkeye recorded it too. That's 3 independent observations of the same object.

Kevin Knuth, PhD, former NASA employee and astrophysicist has been studying the phenomena and wrote a few papers estimating the velocities, accelerations etc of the well documented objects (which had radar and visual footage for example). You may need to check some of his videos, podcasts or papers.

I am a very sceptical person with background in science. But the recent developments are a game changer, in my opinion.

I've already given you all info you need. Do your own research and take it from there. The paradigm has changed if you carefully read the US Intelligence Report.

It's not about videos. It's about pilot visual account + pilot FLIR account + radar tracing - all that combined.

The incidents with multiple confirmation methods (IR, visual, rader) of the same objects are quite compelling IMHO. And these are the incidents that gave impetus to the US Intelligence report and establishment of the UAPTF and a framework for monitoring these objects.

Videos - first three here, released as per FoIA

UFO's have been taken very seriously since the 1940's, the biggest secret in the history of mankind

This is one of those areas that would be great if there was truth in it, i.e. an alien species making contact with Earth. Unfortunately, however, even the best evidence is quite poor and can be explained by things such as the parallax effect and weather phenomenon, even if the videos were taking at face value, it only brings in more questions and lack of evidence.

I've no doubt that there is military programs doing all types of experiments with flying vehicles, I don't believe that they are that good at hiding them that they would have only ever been caught by other military via bad footage.

I've seen plenty of clear amateur footage of fast-moving aerial objects, going way back to the 90's. Yet I've never seen footage or am I aware of any clearly representing an "alien" craft. Yes indeed camera tech does have limitations, but doesn't it strike you as strange that 100% of these encounters are consistently blurry. It's to the point that if someone came to me next year claiming that were in e.g. possession of 100 brand new videos of what they suspected were "alien" craft, then before even watching, I would be quite certain 100% of those videos were blurry/distorted.

As for the other details, the respective militaries aren't going to admit that some craft/object/missile is their experimental tech, and whether one professional witnesses one thing on a radar or 20 view it on the radar, it could still be the same glitch.

I would like to see one strong case instead of hundreds of consistently vague cases. Most of which could be any number of phenomena/glitches/drones/classified mil-tech/etc

Good old Bigelow and his payback form Harry Reid. Hopefully he'll find his space poltergeists soon.

The latest guff to be promoted by George Knapp.

https://www.mysterywire.com/ufo/the-summoners/

Good old Bigelow and his payback form Harry Reid. Hopefully he'll find his space poltergeists soon.

The latest guff to be promoted by George Knapp.

https://www.mysterywire.com/ufo/the-summoners/

Yes some of these things could be foreign military tech, so of course they will take it seriously.

There are identified aerial objects, we know what they are. There are unidentified flying objects, which we don't know. Many of them have later fallen into the identified category, e.g. as weather balloons, hoaxes, secret military aircraft, phenomena, missiles, reflections, etc, etc. There are still some remaining that we don't have anything concrete on yet.

The point of my posts is that some people are making the leap that the latter category means: "aliens". It doesn't. For that we would need to positively identify and verify one of the objects as not something of our own. That hasn't happened yet.

If someone wants to point to a video and say, we don't know what that is for sure - yup fine.

If someone wants to point to the same (inevitably) fuzzy video and say "aliens" - nope.

Painted UFO's on a pane of glass weren't identified until someone stepped forward years later and admitted what they were.

"We can't explain it" doesn't mean it can't be explained, it's just a pending file. The issue is with people making the leap that "it has to be aliens".