Peter Hook lol

PaulBrewer · 17-05-2008 6:04pm

jtsuited wrote: »

paul you are the David Brent of music production.

Surely you mean Ricky Gervais? YOU'RE the David Brent ....

jtsuited · 17-05-2008 6:06pm

PaulBrewer wrote: »

Surely you mean Ricky Gervais? YOU'RE the David Brent ....

well no because I'm not old, don't make crap jokes, and don't think i'm particularly funny.

also I'm a little bit intelligent.

frobisher · 17-05-2008 6:10pm

jtsuited wrote: »

well no because I'm not old, don't make crap jokes, and don't think i'm particularly funny.

also I'm a little bit intelligent.

....ahem....

jtsuited · 17-05-2008 6:11pm

frobisher wrote: »

....ahem....

no but seriously i'm intelligent enough to be in mensa so I figure I can say i'm a little intelligent.

frobisher · 17-05-2008 6:16pm

jtsuited wrote: »

no but seriously i'm intelligent enough to be in mensa so I figure I can say i'm a little intelligent.

"No but seriously?" A well then fair play.

:D:D

jtsuited · 17-05-2008 6:19pm

Peter Hook is probably actually in Dublin at the moment (<snip> We'll have to leave that bit out <snip> Frobisher)

I'd say there'll be a few eq knob replacements being ordered somewhere round town come monday mornin!

And maybe easons will be missing a few free cd's!:D

edit: and a shortage of columbia's finest.

jtsuited · 17-05-2008 6:44pm

jtsuited wrote: »

(<snip> We'll have to leave that bit out <snip> Frobisher)

yeah figured as much. apologies.

frobisher · 17-05-2008 6:49pm

jtsuited wrote: »

yeah figured as much. apologies.

Nay bother....

PaulBrewer · 17-05-2008 7:30pm

jtsuited wrote: »

also I'm a little bit intelligent.

Well if you're so smart what's the square root of 64 then?

studiorat · 17-05-2008 8:00pm

Fair Play to Hooky.
If people want to pay to go and hear some star play records, leave them at it. I'm sure they had a great time. Seems to be quite a lot of that crap around, just 'cause some one's a good musician doesn't make them a good DJ. Bass player from the Smiths is at that aul' craic aswell.

I might point out at this stage that's entirely possible to have an IQ of 140 and be a complete spanner!!!

ogy · 17-05-2008 10:05pm

what hooky's doing is pathetic, but he definitely did contribute a lot to joy divisions sound, very individual style of playing bass.

weren't there rumours daft punk were doing this? loads of mp3s of live sets from different gigs had identical content? (haven't checked this at all myself, just the rumour:)) not a free CD obviously, a set they made them selves, some people even suggested its not even them at gigs! some went so far as to say nobody would even care the live show was so good!

TelePaul · 17-05-2008 11:04pm

jtsuited wrote: »

and you've done both? to the same level?

because you can't make that call until then.

Ridiculous. As was mentioned, totally absurd.

I just think you're a little bit pissed that not everyone is willing to crucify Peter Hook to the extent that you are. Because not everyone here cares about the 'art' of DJing to the extent that you do. That's just the way it is (the fact that you're in Mensa doesn't change anything)

Oh and did you know Peter Hook is also in Mensa? No? Well that's because I made it up right now. Still, that lie is about as relevant as most of the issues discussed in this thread. Now can someone please start a thread about music production?

jtsuited · 17-05-2008 11:34pm

TelePaul wrote: »

Ridiculous. As was mentioned, totally absurd.

I just think you're a little bit pissed that not everyone is willing to crucify Peter Hook to the extent that you are. Because not everyone here cares about the 'art' of DJing to the extent that you do. That's just the way it is (the fact that you're in Mensa doesn't change anything)

Oh and did you know Peter Hook is also in Mensa? No? Well that's because I made it up right now. Still, that lie is about as relevant as most of the issues discussed in this thread. Now can someone please start a thread about music production?

why don't you?

jtsuited · 17-05-2008 11:37pm

ogy wrote: »

what hooky's doing is pathetic, but he definitely did contribute a lot to joy divisions sound, very individual style of playing bass.

weren't there rumours daft punk were doing this? loads of mp3s of live sets from different gigs had identical content? (haven't checked this at all myself, just the rumour:)) not a free CD obviously, a set they made them selves, some people even suggested its not even them at gigs! some went so far as to say nobody would even care the live show was so good!

yeah i heard that rumour and i heard the sets, and i'd put my money on them not doing anything live and playing a prerecorded set.
although a while ago they did a big thing about their live setup in some magazine. It was a bizarre setup they had with 2 behringer midi controllers beside two moog voyagers. weird.

Scubadevils · 18-05-2008 1:02am

TelePaul wrote: »

Ridiculous. As was mentioned, totally absurd.

I just think you're a little bit pissed that not everyone is willing to crucify Peter Hook to the extent that you are. Because not everyone here cares about the 'art' of DJing to the extent that you do. That's just the way it is (the fact that you're in Mensa doesn't change anything)

Oh and did you know Peter Hook is also in Mensa? No? Well that's because I made it up right now. Still, that lie is about as relevant as most of the issues discussed in this thread. Now can someone please start a thread about music production?

You should understand a bit more about the 'art' of DJing before you cast your judgement. Without DJ's, very little music would have hit the ears of the paying public. Below is a very good read, for anyone interested in music.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Last-Night-DJ-Saved-Life/dp/0755313984/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1211068652&sr=8-1

sei046 · 18-05-2008 12:55pm

My tastes in music or opinions for that matter have NOTHING to do with moderation red dave. I have no idea why you would say something as sweeping as that comment considering I have never talked to you. If you want something deleted PM me or report It.

Seziertisch · 18-05-2008 2:12pm

I once attended a course in German where one of the teacher's day jobs was as a DJ.

He brought in his set up to show us what it was he did. He djed using Logic. He had various "basic tracks" in the audio tracks which he brought in and out. He sampled all his own samples and relied heavily on the EXS24. Samples varied from sound effects to single drum hit samples to drum and/or bass patterns to vocal samples to chunks of well-known songs. On top of this he also had software instruments open on which he could play. All of this was manipulated in real time using a midi-controller. This was the technology.

He then explained that the real trick was to read the crowd, play with their expectations, have crescendos/descrescendos, knowing when the right time for each element was. He obviously had his samples and stuff prepared but the exact form of it was different for every night and every crowd.

red dave · 18-05-2008 2:57pm

sei046 wrote: »

My tastes in music or opinions for that matter have NOTHING to do with moderation red dave. I have no idea why you would say something as sweeping as that comment considering I have never talked to you. If you want something deleted PM me or report It.

Appologies.

My comment was over the top

TelePaul · 18-05-2008 4:05pm

Felixdhc wrote: »

You should understand a bit more about the 'art' of DJing before you cast your judgement. Without DJ's, very little music would have hit the ears of the paying public. Below is a very good read, for anyone interested in music.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Last-Night-DJ-Saved-Life/dp/0755313984/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1211068652&sr=8-1

I think you need to come up with a better arguiment than "you just don't get DJing is all about". I get it. I don't think much of it.

Scubadevils · 18-05-2008 4:43pm

TelePaul wrote: »

I think you need to come up with a better arguiment than "you just don't get DJing is all about". I get it. I don't think much of it.

I think you need to read posts more carefully and not misquote me in your response.

You don't get it at all and sound like you never could either. You should take a break from twiddling with your knobs and broaden your musical reach sometime.

TelePaul · 19-05-2008 1:51pm

Felixdhc wrote: »

I think you need to read posts more carefully and not misquote me in your response.

You don't get it at all and sound like you never could either. You should take a break from twiddling with your knobs and broaden your musical reach sometime.

Lol this is a classic. "You don't get it at all". Okay. Anything else you want to tell me I do or don't 'get'? I think you should save your love of DJing for a more relevant forum. But thanks for the laugh.

sei046 · 19-05-2008 1:59pm

I KNEW this was going to be a big can of worms. Hence my bowing out!

cornbb · 19-05-2008 2:08pm

Without wanting to get too embroiled in this, I'd have to say I'd agree with jtsuited and Felixdhc on this one. If the public are paying into a club to see a DJ they're expecting to see/hear him perform, not mime. Hook was essentially miming, if I found out a band I paid to see were miming or lip-syncing I'd be royally pissed off, it'd be no different if it were a DJ.

studiorat · 19-05-2008 3:31pm

He's not even wearing head phones! So he obviously doesn't give a sh1t if people know or not!!

Hooky havin' it large! Get in there!!!
eh! sorry hooky that's the lighting dimmer yer tweeking there son!

jtsuited · 19-05-2008 6:29pm

jaysus, what a can of worms indeed!

the fact of the matter is that most of those who seem to have experienced dance music in any sort of proper context, think what he's doing is a complete joke and frankly disgraceful.

those who seem to not really know/have experienced dance music can't see the problem.

that's really it.

i know this is a generalisation but it's pretty much the jist of this thread.

sei046 · 19-05-2008 7:23pm

Well... No... I think anyone can disagree with what he is at from a consumer standpoint. And If someone wants to be judged on their talent they should not use the avenue he did there. Im sure he must ok "whatever the hell that is in Djing" at what he does and this was probably a one off

Scubadevils · 19-05-2008 7:49pm

TelePaul wrote: »

Lol this is a classic. "You don't get it at all". Okay. Anything else you want to tell me I do or don't 'get'? I think you should save your love of DJing for a more relevant forum. But thanks for the laugh.

No, I don't have anything else to comment on with regards to what you do or don't get... DJing you clearly don't get which is quite obvious by your ignorant posts.

I have a love for music, which is relevant in many places around boards - you obviously wouldn't understand that judging by your narrow minded comments.

sei046 · 19-05-2008 7:54pm

Man i thought your location "Nth Dublin" was referring to N as any real number? as in 6 or 1 or whatever. That would have been funny but actually i presume you mean North. ANYWAY!

I think Djing is completely relevant to this forum. Differing opinions should not result in a genre of music production being excluded from the thread!

Scubadevils · 19-05-2008 8:01pm

sei046 wrote: »

Man i thought your location "Nth Dublin" was referring to N as any real number? as in 6 or 1 or whatever. That would have been funny but actually i presume you mean North. ANYWAY!

I think Djing is completely relevant to this forum. Differing opinions should not result in a genre of music production being excluded from the thread!

Tis North alright!

Thanks, it would be strange if 'music production' was limited to or excluded any genres! And DJing of course :pac:

studiorat · 19-05-2008 8:19pm

Peter Hook is there being paid appearance money. It's the same as paying Terry Wogan to open a shopping centre.
The dude made Blue Monday like! He doesn't need to prove that he can dj, he knows more about music than most DJ's anyway.
It's not like he's entering the DMC's or anything.

PaulBrewer · 19-05-2008 8:22pm

Terry Wogan on Music Production Boards ?

.... am I dreaming ?

seannash · 19-05-2008 8:49pm

studiorat wrote: »

Peter Hook is there being paid appearance money. It's the same as paying Terry Wogan to open a shopping centre.
The dude made Blue Monday like! He doesn't need to prove that he can dj, he knows more about music than most DJ's anyway.
It's not like he's entering the DMC's or anything.

ah jesus christ.
so its cool for a band to show up and hit play on there latest album and basically mime along.
ITS APPEARANCE MONEY RIGHT!!!!!!!
thats the most rididculous thing ive read on here and ive read this whole thread.
jtsuited is right.its a bull**** approach to djing and this sort of thing will only give djing a worse name and discredit it amongst the musical snobs.
this will be there comeback to many an argument(yeah but djs just put on a mix cd and fanny about)this is why people who understand this are outraged.
i really dont care what hes done in the past.as people have said his involvement cant be measured.he could have been a glorified session musician who played back someone elses ideas.
and if djing is so easy and doesnt take much musical talent.and he is such a musical genius,would it be a huge stretch for him to actually learn how to do it.shouldnt be right?
and as fopr daft punk,the reason there sets are all the same is because there not performing a dj set there performing a live show of there own(albeit sampled from other tracks)material,just like a band would have a setlist.
and they have a light show to go along with it so it all syncs up.
they do deviate slightly but they have a plan outlined.there not playing a dj set.
oh and while reading this ive havent read anyone on our side claiming that djs are musicians either,so that was an argument you brought up,not us.we didnt claim to be.we know what we are and alot of us produce music too.

jtsuited · 19-05-2008 10:28pm

sei046 wrote: »

and this was probably a one off

No it was not. There are loads of videos of him playing the SAME mix cd at different places around the world.

And HE did not make Blue Monday. He played bass on it.

sei046 · 19-05-2008 10:39pm

This is a stupid arguement TBH.

I dont accept reading the crowd as the trait of a musician(even though they have to) because that is universal for any performer. I dont rate doing the mixing as a trait as that is done (with more precision) by guys who are dealing with many many more tracks, with much higher precision and do not ask for more than an engineer title. It just seems like its more of a personality thing than a skill. I dont really rate it over someone learning how to use a computer.

Thats my opinion solely and Is not intended to be offensive so I do not want to hear a single remark about biased mods or musical snobbery. I play absolutely every sort of music going and and have a completely open minded approach to music in general. SO please, Its my opinion on one aspect of music, dont kick up

jtsuited · 19-05-2008 11:01pm

sei046 wrote: »

This is a stupid arguement TBH.

I dont accept reading the crowd as the trait of a musician(even though they have to) because that is universal for any performer. I dont rate doing the mixing as a trait as that is done (with more precision) by guys who are dealing with many many more tracks, with much higher precision and do not ask for more than an engineer title. It just seems like its more of a personality thing than a skill. I dont really rate it over someone learning how to use a computer.

Thats my opinion solely and Is not intended to be offensive so I do not want to hear a single remark about biased mods or musical snobbery. I play absolutely every sort of music going and and have a completely open minded approach to music in general. SO please, Its my opinion on one aspect of music, dont kick up

Biased mods, musical snobbery!!!;)

nah just messing.
sei with all due respect i don't think you really know what a dj does (or at least weren't clear until this thread).

I'm a complete music snob.I play piano, bass, drums, guitar, sing, songwrite, etc (have done nearly all professionally at one time or another).

I've engineered on countless recordings and I'm a techno producer (for want of a better description).
I also dj (the odd time).

I feel I'm pretty much in a far more valid place to judge this thing.

And I'm telling you right now that a good dj needs a lot of talent. A good set needs a lot of time spent finding records that aren't that popular but you know people will love on hearing them for the first time.

Like I said earlier you're entitled to your opinion but in my opinion you are ludicrously ignorant about the subject and therefore your opinion is really not worth anything.

jtsuited · 19-05-2008 11:02pm

sei046 wrote: »

and have a completely open minded approach to music in general. SO please, Its my opinion on one aspect of music, dont kick up

i'm sorry but that contradicts many other posts of yours in this thread.

sei046 · 19-05-2008 11:09pm

Aw man I love it! I KNEW this thread was going to bring out these!

jtsuited · 19-05-2008 11:11pm

sei046 wrote: »

Aw man I love it! I KNEW this thread was going to bring out these!

Let the 'Dj's are great and have an art all to themselves' VS. 'Dj's only play other people's music and get paid ludicrous sums of money to to do so' debate begin.

sei046 · 19-05-2008 11:15pm

I just feel that if We look at things the way you seem to. It doesnt REALLY matter what the discussion is because YOUR RIGHT! See what im saying? In that case when someone makes their opinion clear, you may as well just say, " No, look man, I pretty much know everything about every sort of music..So its probably better you just agree with me...."

TelePaul · 19-05-2008 11:17pm

studiorat wrote: »

Peter Hook is there being paid appearance money. It's the same as paying Terry Wogan to open a shopping centre.
The dude made Blue Monday like! He doesn't need to prove that he can dj, he knows more about music than most DJ's anyway.
It's not like he's entering the DMC's or anything.

Well said.

sei046 · 19-05-2008 11:18pm

And I was not ignorant as to what Djs do, I had presumed in the professional level that they did more than I had believed. But as it turns out, no they dont! just to bigger crowds!

jtsuited · 19-05-2008 11:26pm

sei046 wrote: »

I just feel that if We look at things the way you seem to. It doesnt REALLY matter what the discussion is because YOUR RIGHT! See what im saying? In that case when someone makes their opinion clear, you may as well just say, " No, look man, I pretty much know everything about every sort of music..So its probably better you just agree with me...."

wow.
not the type of post i'd expect from a mod.

when someone argues a point it tends to be necessary to provide backup.

I gave my backup by way of personal experience in both areas of the debate. You were largely ignorant of the nature of one side of the debate (clueless is probably a better word).

I explained my side (having experienced both sides of the coin), and you're retort is that 'oh you always just think you're right'.

I've given numerous arguments for my point, and you have just stated your own personal opinion (which as you admit would have been ignorant before this thread).

If you want to take a go at me, fine. But take your fcuking mod hat off before you do so.

Ridiculous.

sei046 · 19-05-2008 11:32pm

Listen man.... what on gods earth is with the mod thing?! Its getting a little old?

Mods clean up threads, stop personal abuse, make sure threads are in the right place....nothing else...Will you just let it go.....Its so so so boring explaining this EVERY TIME!

Ask Frobisher, Thats ALL we do. We are not an authority on ANYTHING! We clean.

And dont bring this all to a personal level because it always gets out of hand and the points become useless. I made my opinion clear for the purpose of a discussion. RELAX!

jtsuited · 19-05-2008 11:35pm

sei046 wrote: »

Listen man.... what on gods earth is with the mod thing?! Its getting a little old?

Mods clean up threads, stop personal abuse, make sure threads are in the right place....nothing else...Will you just let it go.....Its so so so boring explaining this EVERY TIME!

Ask Frobisher, Thats ALL we do. We are not an authority on ANYTHING! We clean.

And dont bring this all to a personal level because it always gets out of hand and the points become useless. I made my opinion clear for the purpose of a discussion. RELAX!

and what happens if a mod has a go at me like you did?

sei046 · 19-05-2008 11:38pm

Jeff lets be honest about this, If that was me having a go at you, what on gods earth do you call what you were saying to me? Can we just forget this? Its so so stupid. It seems like you just look for fights or something man! Can you not just go with the flow and discuss something? I made an opinion, why do you get so up in arms about it?

Its all cool, please drop the mod thing, it doesnt hold any water because we can do nothing more than anyone else and our opinion isnt weighed any heavier than anyone elses...

jiltloop · 19-05-2008 11:42pm

i think DJs themselves give DJs a bad name, theres alot of lazy superstar DJs out there doing nothing of any talent and they're not making any history or doing anything of musical interest or worth. but i do respect DJs who use DJing as an artform or try to create using DJing, particularly the type of DJing you see at the world DMC championships. there is some incredibly talented and skilled DJs involved in that who almost make decks an instrument. or there is the likes of richie hawtin who mixes using 4 decks and also incorporates effects and drum machines thats creative and to be respected. but other than that i find most DJing pretentious and only entertaining for a bit of a dance when you're pissed.

p.s its pretty obvious in that vid that he ain't mixing anything since he isn't even wearing headphones!

jtsuited · 19-05-2008 11:48pm

sei046 wrote: »

Jeff lets be honest about this, If that was me having a go at you, what on gods earth do you call what you were saying to me? Can we just forget this? Its so so stupid. It seems like you just look for fights or something man! Can you not just go with the flow and discuss something? I made an opinion, why do you get so up in arms about it?

Its all cool, please drop the mod thing, it doesnt hold any water because we can do nothing more than anyone else and our opinion isnt weighed any heavier than anyone elses...

hold on a second here sei. i was discussing the issue and things relevant to said discussion.
The fact that many posters did not have too much experience/knowledge in the area WAS relevant to the argument.

You saying 'it seems the discussion isn't relevant because YOU'RE right', is a completely different kettle of fish altogether.

I have many opinions I wouldn't post on here, because they'd either offend people (yes sometimes i don't want to offend), or i wouldn't be knowledgeable enough to speak on.

But I certainly would never resort to 'oh you just think you're right' stupidity. Because at the end of the day Everyone thinks they're right until they believe they've been proven wrong.

edit: listen man it's cool, but those types of things are quite insulting to say. Even if there's not much malice intended, which i don't think there was.

TelePaul · 19-05-2008 11:51pm

I think what we can all take from this is that threads about DJing breed conflict and should always be avoided.

sei046 · 19-05-2008 11:54pm

No what I was saying was you were dismissing my opinions on the grounds that your experience allows your opinion to overwrite mine. Without having any knowledge of who I am or what I do you said that it doesnt matter what I say because you know more than me and thats just that.

That doesnt sound too fair does it? Considering you have NO knowledge of my experience it doesnt really make any sense does it? And lets say you have more experience than me (Whatever the hell that is) why should that mean your opinion is more valid than anyone elses?

Man your just looking for a fight. You went to the other thread and carried the agro over...and then you tried to bring up an old arguement with Paul. Just let it go. You even brought up a mod issue from out of NOWHERE!

From now on Mod issues go to the feedback forum.

jtsuited · 19-05-2008 11:55pm

TelePaul wrote: »

I think what we can all take from this is that threads about DJing breed conflict and should always be avoided.

agreed.
and tbh i think that lots and lots of dj's are overpaid gobsh1tes who happen to live off former status or hype machines.

but that takes nothing away from the skill and talent necessary to become a good dj.

Peter Hook lol

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