With all this corona virus stuff going on, does anyone smell an invasion?

Cheerful Spring2 · 10-05-2020 8:43pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Ask question, receive full indepth explanation, reject explanation, claim there must be a conspiracy, ask same question again, rinse, repeat

Dohnjoe you don’t appreciate evidence from the other side. You only interested in evidence that supports the narrative acted alone. We know what the evidence is for Oswald acting alone. The debunkers are only interested in one side opinion of the event and everything else is dismissed. What you fail to understand the other side is the government narrative and they don’t want you to look at the evidence there was other men in Dallas that day shooting at Kennedy. The believed in a magic bullet to stop all talk about a conspiracy

Cheerful Spring2 · 18-05-2020 10:30pm

Keep an eye on Venezuela this week. Four Iranian tankers are heading to the country with gasoline. US might try to intercept and board them. Reports US destroyers maybe on an interception course.

Dohnjoe · 19-05-2020 10:36am

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Dohnjoe you don’t appreciate evidence from the other side.

There's no such thing as "the other side". There's the objective truth and that's it.

For some, reality is too boring, so they invent their own narratives replete with alternative facts and woo, a popular hobby on this forum

Cheerful Spring2 · 19-05-2020 8:33pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

There's no such thing as "the other side". There's the objective truth and that's it.

Do you watch CNN, MSBC, Fox News

World is never that simple. Fox News supporters see the world differently to people who watch MSNBC and CNN. It affects all.

Conspiracy people and debunkers are the same, sides are picked.

Dohnjoe · 19-05-2020 9:42pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

World is never that simple.

What's the world or reality got to do with it

You're openly a holocaust denier, you believe in alien technology, you think secret Nazi's are behind world events..

Like actual German's from World War 2.. killing JFK..

I'm not quite sure you should be lecturing others about the "other side", unless you are referring to an alternative dimension..

Cheerful Spring2 · 19-05-2020 10:04pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

What's the world or reality got to do with it

You're openly a holocaust denier, you believe in alien technology, you think secret Nazi's are behind world events..

Like actual German's from World War 2.. killing JFK..

I'm not quite sure you should be lecturing others about the "other side", unless you are referring to an alternative dimension..

These insults are for your fanboys and you think making good points here. . I never killed any Jewish person, was not there in WW2 to stop it and was not involved, so trying to paint me as some criminal here who done some harm to the Jewish people, laughable.
You have labels. You’re the one celebrating the lock down off free speech online and celebrating when people channels are locked. You have the personal traits of an authoritarian, not me. So stop with the lecture.

I provided evidence, maybe you don't want to know and that's your problem not mine.

Cheerful Spring2 · 19-05-2020 10:51pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Like actual German's from World War 2.. killing JFK..

Yes.
Otto Skorzeny.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Spinne
It is believed by some historians to be a different name (or a branch of the Nazi German ODESSA organization established during the collapse of the Third Reich, similar to Kameradenwerk, and der Bruderschaft, devoted to helping German war criminals flee Europe. It was led in part by Otto Skorzeny, Hitler's commando chief, as well as Nazi intelligence officer Reinhard Gehlen.[ Die Spinne helped as many as 600 former SS men escape from Germany to Francoist Spain, Juan Peron's Argentina, Paraguay, Chile, Bolivia, the Middle East, and other countries.

Network called the Fascist international.
From 1945 to 1950, Die Spinne's leader Skorzeny facilitated the escape of Nazi war criminals from war-criminal prisons to Memmingen, Bavaria, through Austria and Switzerland into Italy. Certain US military authorities allegedly knew of the escape, but took no action.The Central European headquarters of Die Spinne as of 1948 was in Gmunden, Upper Austria.

Skorzeny requested assistance from German industrialist tycoon Alfried Krupp, whose company had controlled 138 private concentration camps under the Third Reich; the assistance was granted in 1951. Skorzeny became Krupp's representative in industrial business ventures in Argentina a country which harboured a strong pro-Nazi political element throughout World War II and afterwards, regardless of a nominal declaration of loyalty to the Allies as World War II ended. With the help of Die Spinne leaders in Spain, by the early 1980s Die Spinne had become influential in Argentina, Chile and Paraguay, including ties involving Paraguayan dictator Alfredo Stroessner.

War Crimes investigator Simon Wiesenthal claimed Joseph Mengele had stayed at the notorious Colonia Dignidad Nazi colony in Chile in 1979 and ultimately found harbour in Paraguay until his death. As of the early 1980s, Die Spinne's was reported by Infield to have been advising Stroessner's ethnic German Paraguayan police on how to reduce native Paraguayan Indians in the Chaco Region to slave labour. A wealthy, powerful post–World War II underground Nazi political contingent held sway in Argentina as of the late 1960s, which included many ethnic German Nazi immigrants and their descendants

Otto Skorzeny is alleged to be have taken part and shot at JFK in Dallas. It was CIA operation/ they hired shooters who keep quiet.
Otto Skorzeny was SS officer- an assassin.
This information outside your frame of reference. This is the hidden history you will not find on CNN or MSBC, or Fox News or RTE.

The Nazis did not just go away after WW2 this is false.
War Crimes investigator Simon Wiesenthal claimed Joseph Mengele had stayed at the notorious Colonia Dignidad Nazi colony in Chile in 1979 and ultimately found harbour in Paraguay until his death.

Dohnjoe · 19-05-2020 11:38pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

The Nazis did not just go away after WW2 this is false.

Many went to Argentina, are they the ones who killed JFK and blew up the Twin Towers?

Or what did they do? the Falklands war?

Cheerful Spring2 · 20-05-2020 12:07am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Many went to Argentina, are they the ones who killed JFK and blew up the Twin Towers?

Or what did they do? the Falklands war?

I'm fully aware you will never understand this.

The Fascist international is basically a clandestine group of former Nazis that carried out secret operations for the CIA and Israel and other states during the Cold war. Their goals were the same to fight communism.
The CIA and the Fascist international and criminals in the Mob teamed up to take out JFK in Dallas. He was a problem for them and he got taken out.

They used Otto Skorzeny's network for this covert operation.

The network entrenched in the hidden world of banking, shipping, front companies that make different things, it's an enterprise. You not here about on the News because it an asset of foreign governments around the world.

Dohnjoe · 20-05-2020 12:29am

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I'm fully aware you will never understand this.

The Fascist international is basically a clandestine group of former Nazis that carried out secret operations for the CIA and Israel and other states during the Cold war. Their goals were the same to fight communism.
The CIA and the Fascist international and criminals in the Mob teamed up to take out JFK in Dallas. He was a problem for them and he got taken out.

They used Otto Skorzeny's network for this covert operation.

The network entrenched in the hidden world of banking, shipping, front companies that make different things, it's an enterprise. You not here about on the News because it an asset of foreign governments around the world.

And carried out 9/11 right?

Cheerful Spring2 · 20-05-2020 12:33am

Before you ask why would Israel use this network well sometimes your enemies can help.

Otto Skorzeny was one of the most outstanding military men of the 20th century. His specialty was daring, guerrilla-style, commando raids. He was an unrepentant Nazi, a senior SS officer, who remained involved in right-wing causes his whole life. And now it’s emerged that he was also an agent and hitman for Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service.

The extraordinary story of Skorzeny’s work for Israel is documented for the first time in the latest edition of the magazine, Forward. The piece was written by Dan Raviv, a correspondent with CBS Radio News, and Yossi Melman, an Israeli author. Together the two men have written five books on Israeli intelligence operations.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-03-30/how-famous-former-nazi-officer-became-hitman-israel

Dohnjoe · 20-05-2020 12:47am

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Before you ask why would Israel use this network well sometimes your enemies can help.

Otto Skorzeny was one of the most outstanding military men of the 20th century. His specialty was daring, guerrilla-style, commando raids. He was an unrepentant Nazi, a senior SS officer, who remained involved in right-wing causes his whole life. And now it’s emerged that he was also an agent and hitman for Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service.

The extraordinary story of Skorzeny’s work for Israel is documented for the first time in the latest edition of the magazine, Forward. The piece was written by Dan Raviv, a correspondent with CBS Radio News, and Yossi Melman, an Israeli author. Together the two men have written five books on Israeli intelligence operations.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-03-30/how-famous-former-nazi-officer-became-hitman-israel

Yeah, mixing fact with fiction, this is the basis for all the far-fetched conspiracy stuff, got it

But you say these ex-Nazi's killed JFK, they also carried out 9/11 according to you, right..

Cheerful Spring2 · 20-05-2020 12:55am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

And carried out 9/11 right?

First operation: 9/11 the official story not entirely inaccurate. Al Qaeda existed, and the men involved were terrorists.
Al Qaeda is a proxy force for the Pakistan ISI and Saudi Arabia. An operation of this size could not have got the go ahead without them knowing in advance. CIA allowed it to happen., evidence supports that conclusion.
Second operation: CIA/ Fascist international placed the demolitions/Nano thermite inside the building before the attack. Who exactly all the players are here unsure. I have strong suspicion Donald Rumsfeld was one of the leaders of the conspiracy and George Tenet head of the CIA.

Dohnjoe · 20-05-2020 1:03am

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

First operation: 9/11 the official story not entirely inaccurate. Al Qaeda existed, and the men involved were terrorists.
Al Qaeda is a proxy force for the Pakistan ISI and Saudi Arabia. An operation of this size could not have got the go ahead without them knowing in advance. CIA allowed it to happen., evidence supports that conclusion.
Second operation: CIA/ Fascist international placed the demolitions/Nano thermite inside the building before the attack. Who exactly all the players are here unsure. I have strong suspicion Donald Rumsfeld was one of the leaders of the conspiracy and George Tenet head of the CIA.

Wait so, real Al Qaeda terrorists flew planes into the buildings?

But Nazi's from World War 2 also blew up those same buildings, correct?

Cheerful Spring2 · 20-05-2020 1:07am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Wait so, real Al Qaeda terrorists flew planes into the buildings?

But Nazi's from World War 2 also blew up those same buildings, correct?

Al Qaeda hijacked the plane's, the first operation.
Al Qaeda was not aware of the second operation. It was done in secret. CIA knew in advance 9/11 was going to happen. Operatives were sent in to do it.

Dohnjoe · 20-05-2020 1:10am

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Al Qaeda hijacked the plane's, the first operation.
Al Qaeda was not aware of the second operation. It was done in secret. CIA knew in advance 9/11 was going to happen. Operatives were sent in to do it.

And the Nazi's from World War 2 took no part in any of this?

Cheerful Spring2 · 20-05-2020 1:23am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

And the Nazi's from World War 2 took no part in any of this?

By 2001 this group is corporate involved in extensive business around the world. The Fascist international is not the same group as it was in 1963 when Kennedy murdered. The interests and goals have changed.

The former WW2 Nazis were alive in 1963.

Dohnjoe · 20-05-2020 1:32am

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

The Fascist international is not the same group as it was in 1963 when Kennedy murdered. The interests and goals have changed.

Right, their interests and goals changed from what to what?

Cheerful Spring2 · 20-05-2020 1:59am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Right, their interests and goals changed from what to what?

Follow the money and the business interests.

Snopes
Highly publicized allegations of insider trading in advance of 9/11 generally rest on reports of unusual pre-9/11 trading activity in companies whose stock plummeted after the attacks. Some unusual trading did in fact occur, but each such trade proved to have an innocuous explanation. For example, the volume of put options — instruments that pay off only when a stock drops in price — surged in the parent companies of United Airlines on September 6 and American Airlines on September 10 — highly suspicious trading on its face. Yet, further investigation has revealed that the trading had no connection with 9/11. A single U.S.-based institutional investor with no conceivable ties to al Qaeda purchased 95 percent of the UAL puts on September 6 as part of as part of a trading strategy that also included buying 115,000 shares of American on September 10.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/put-paid/

Snopes is lying here 38 companies were under investigation for strange activity at Wall Street, just like everything else that news story disappeared.

A single U.S.-based institutional investor with no conceivable ties to al Qaeda purchased 95 percent of the UAL puts on September 6 as part of as part of a trading strategy that also included buying 115,000 shares of American on September 10.

Snopes does not reveal here is the investor was A. B. Krongard- Executive Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)
He was doing this the week before 9/11.They left him off because he no ties to Al Qaeda

He purchased 95 percent of the UAL puts on September 6- one day not suspicious? UAL is United airlines their planes got hijacked on 9/11

Dohnjoe · 20-05-2020 2:21am

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Follow (...)

You wrote

The Fascist international is not the same group as it was in 1963 when Kennedy murdered. The interests and goals have changed.

Their interests and goals changed from what to what?

Ted_YNWA · 20-05-2020 5:46am

Cheerful Spring2 wrote:

Al Qaeda hijacked the plane's, the first operation. Al Qaeda was not aware of the second operation. It was done in secret. CIA knew in advance 9/11 was going to happen. Operatives were sent in to do it.

Are you claiming there was two secret operations to take down the Twin Towers, and these happened on the same day?

The Nal · 20-05-2020 9:40am

Ted_YNWA wrote: »

Are you claiming there was two secret operations to take down the Twin Towers, and these happened on the same day?

Both within 45 minutes of each other. One attack by plane and then then the secret Nazis who already had the buildings rigged somehow and whos explosives managed to survive the planes and the raging inferno, brought down the buildings.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Otto Skorzeny is alleged to be have taken part and shot at JFK in Dallas. It was CIA operation/ they hired shooters who keep quiet.

Alleged in a book - that you haven't read - called The Skorzeny Papers. And it goes nowhere, no evidence, no proof, nothing. Literally, not one single thing linking him to it.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

This information outside your frame of reference. This is the hidden history you will not find on CNN or MSBC, or Fox News or RTE.

lol. You copied and pasted from wikipedia.

Widely reported. Google it. Irish Times, Indo, BBC.... Skorzeny lived in Kildare in the late 50s and early 60s. 200 odd Nazis lived in Ireland.

Dohnjoe · 20-05-2020 11:23am

Ted_YNWA wrote: »

Are you claiming there was two secret operations to take down the Twin Towers, and these happened on the same day?

I'm betting that you'll typically receive a short yes answer followed by a deflection into something vaguely related to 9/11 conspiracies or Nazi's.

Or, you will receive a full Alex Jones style deflection

e.g.

Al Qaeda flew planes into the buildings

A separate group also rigged the buildings with charges. They obviously wanted to make sure the buildings went down for maximum impact. How else do you explain the traces of thermite found in the buildings after the attacks? they say fire brought down the buildings, so how do you explain all the steel skyscrapers around the world that have gone on fire and didn't collapse? what about WTC 7, that wasn't hit by a plane, how did that 47 story skyscraper magically collapse from small office fires? It doesn't take a genius to figure out that something stinks about all this..

The NIST investigation into 911? they were caught lying, there's a video of it. Other investigations contradicted each other's details. The only real study, by the University of Fairbanks, discovered that WTC 7 didn't actually collapse from fires, that something wiping out the columns caused the collapse, it's been published and peer reviewed, yet there is absolute silence from the authorities over this, I wonder why that is..

It's pretty obvious we aren't being told the full story..

We'll see

Cheerful Spring2 · 20-05-2020 3:06pm

Ted_YNWA wrote: »

Are you claiming there was two secret operations to take down the Twin Towers, and these happened on the same day?

The Central Intelligence Agency involvement in stock market trading prior to 9/11 is to my mind evidence they were Insider trading. Suspicious money transfers and stock transactions took place on the day of 9/11 and prior to it weeks before the planes struck the buildings. The world news media reported on it. The Twin Towers was at the point an economic and insurance hub for corporations worldwide. There was a portfolio of capital making firms and economic holding companies with offices inside both Towers and monetary historians have written respected papers suspicious transactions in oil, insurance, airlines, and more all occurred the week before 9/11.

The SEC https://www.sec.gov/ in in their wisdom, despite this acknowledged activity of investors placing bets the stock would drop in price, closed all investigations when unable to establish the stock investors had ties to the Al Qaeda network.. I have an issue - no associations to terrorism groups does not mean the stock insiders had no prior knowledge the attack be taken place.

When they’re plenty of substantial and credible evidence that illustrates the CIA had advance Knowledge the attacks would happen on that day and later placed bets, 7 days before 9/11, then why is this avoided discussion today?

I have written this before. The CIA Bin Laden Unit learned in the year 2000 a cell of Al Qaeda had entered the US to carry out an attack. This finding over the years, supported by politicians, media and journalists, it not make believe. The CIA has no oversight, they merely answer to themselves. When the 9/11 commission heard testimony, the CIA gave there’s behind sealed doors, and nobody knows what was said. The CIA kept the terrorist arrival from the FBI. Many FBI agents have broken ranks and stated the CIA had prior knowledge. US intelligence was aware of the movements and travels of the 9/11 hijackers.

There’s a years of information here to go over, that one would need to write a book to make sense of it all.

Why do I believe it, the Towers and WTC7 was brought down by controlled demolition
I recognize the CIA had advanced knowledge (they had the intelligence) and had the capabilities to do it and had access to advanced military materials and they are most likely the culprits?

Even mainstream steel studies( not truther studies) report significant and rare unseen phenomenons occurred here on 9/11. The Fires in buildings have similar properties and heat and air temperatures, don’t change unless there something else fuelling the fire to make it hotter.

This was also the first time in history a high rise of steel framed columns
had collapsed due to fire. Never happened prior to 9/11 or after 9/11. On 9/11 three buildings came down- steel framed high rises. WTC7 was not hit by a large plane.

FEMA in 2002 indicated a rare event occurred where some of the steel melting inside the towers and at WTC7. FEMA had never encountered this before in other building fires. NIST of course denied any Steel melted in their paper, and this not true statement, when other studies dispute that.

New York firefighters, search and digger crews, and helpers all mentioned on video there was this red/hot liquid streaming down the channel rails of the steel. They asserted it was "Molten steel" NIST on video says no one mentioned seeing molten steel and this is absolutely unreliable statement from them when there video online.

RJLee group described there was 6 percent/weight of Iron Microspheres found in the WTC dust that covered Manhattan . Debunkers on here are making excuses they can be created by others ways and that means the nanothermite theory nonsense Yes they can be made other ways.

The RJLee group specific here they appeared inside the buildings just prior to collapse of the buildings! There was a significant high temperature source that made them. This is where the nanothermite theory is believe.
Mix AI+ Iron Oxide and burn it Rich pure Iron Microspheres appear as a byproduct. Steel Microspheres is something different, It be blended with other elements. It not pure Iron Fe spheres. Iron FE spheres is a byproduct thermatic reaction.
There more I leaving out that would prove the controlled demolition theory, but these rare phenomenons are ignored by debunkers and they will again i am sure.

Dohnjoe · 20-05-2020 3:14pm

lol, called it

Dohnjoe · 20-05-2020 3:54pm

Okay Cheerful, let's try to sum this all up..

1. The CIA worked with 2001 Al Qaeda (conspiracy justification: allegedly CIA worked with the Mujahideen in the 80's, ergo they were in bed with modern-day Al Qaeda)

2. 2001 Al Qaeda was a "proxy terrorist force" for the Saudi Arabia and Pakistan leadership (conspiracy justification: they're all Muslims)

3. The CIA knew of a plan to kill thousands of US civilians and were completely fine with it, in fact they supported and facilitated it (conspiracy justification: operation Northwoods in the 60's, and the ex-FBI head said the CIA were trying to infiltrate the team and then lost track of them which naturally means they were all plotting together)

4. Larry Silverstein, who was the lease-holder of many of the WTC buildings plotted with his insurance company to blow up at least one of the buildings: WTC 7 (conspiracy justification: he said "pull it" live on national television, which obviously meant blowing up his own buildings)

5. The CIA also worked with "secret Nazi's", a group known as "Fascist International" to rig the Twin Towers and WTC 7 (tripping over Larry Silverstein's crew doing the same thing) with silent wireless boxes of red nano/super thermite explosive flakes to blow them up after both planes hit their mark (conspiracy justification: iron microspheres were found, therefore thermite, therefore controlled demolition)

6. Donald Rumsfeld was involved (conspiracy justification: ?)

7. The US president was involved (conspiracy justification: ?)

8. NORAD was involved (conspiracy justification: ?)

9. Mossad were "probably" involved (conspiracy justification: the dancing Israeli's)

10. The 200+ experts and scientists of the National Institute of Standards and Technology who conducted the investigation into the event were involved (conspiracy justification: they produced the hated NIST report which demonstrated that the buildings fell due to fire)

11. Unspecified US military generals were involved (conspiracy justification: ?)

12. "Various" businessmen were involved (conspiracy justification: ?)

13. Joe Biden was involved (conspiracy justification: it was in a conspiracy blog)

By last count at least a dozen different conspiracies (and gross acts of treason) as part of one massive 9/11 inside job, is there anyone I have forgotten in there?

King Mob · 20-05-2020 4:05pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Why do I believe it, the Towers and WTC7 was brought down by controlled demolition
I recognize the CIA had advanced knowledge (they had the intelligence) and had the capabilities to do it and had access to advanced military materials and they are most likely the culprits?

Even mainstream steel studies( not truther studies) report significant and rare unseen phenomenons occurred here on 9/11. The Fires in buildings have similar properties and heat and air temperatures, don’t change unless there something else fuelling the fire to make it hotter.

This was also the first time in history a high rise of steel framed columns
had collapsed due to fire. Never happened prior to 9/11 or after 9/11. On 9/11 three buildings came down- steel framed high rises. WTC7 was not hit by a large plane.

FEMA in 2002 indicated a rare event occurred where some of the steel melting inside the towers and at WTC7. FEMA had never encountered this before in other building fires. NIST of course denied any Steel melted in their paper, and this not true statement, when other studies dispute that.

New York firefighters, search and digger crews, and helpers all mentioned on video there was this red/hot liquid streaming down the channel rails of the steel. They asserted it was "Molten steel" NIST on video says no one mentioned seeing molten steel and this is absolutely unreliable statement from them when there video online.

RJLee group described there was 6 percent/weight of Iron Microspheres found in the WTC dust that covered Manhattan . Debunkers on here are making excuses they can be created by others ways and that means the nanothermite theory nonsense Yes they can be made other ways.

The RJLee group specific here they appeared inside the buildings just prior to collapse of the buildings! There was a significant high temperature source that made them. This is where the nanothermite theory is believe.
Mix AI+ Iron Oxide and burn it Rich pure Iron Microspheres appear as a byproduct. Steel Microspheres is something different, It be blended with other elements. It not pure Iron Fe spheres. Iron FE spheres is a byproduct thermatic reaction.
There more I leaving out that would prove the controlled demolition theory, but these rare phenomenons are ignored by debunkers and they will again i am sure.

Almost every single word and sentance in this is completely dishonest and untrue.

Cheerful Spring2 · 20-05-2020 4:55pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Okay Cheerful, let's try to sum this all up..

1. The CIA worked with 2001 Al Qaeda (conspiracy justification: allegedly CIA worked with the Mujahideen in the 80's, ergo they were in bed with modern-day Al Qaeda)

2. 2001 Al Qaeda was a "proxy terrorist force" for the Saudi Arabia and Pakistan leadership (conspiracy justification: they're all Muslims)

3. The CIA knew of a plan to kill thousands of US civilians and were completely fine with it, in fact they supported and facilitated it (conspiracy justification: operation Northwoods in the 60's, and the ex-FBI head said the CIA were trying to infiltrate the team and then lost track of them which naturally means they were all plotting together)

I answer the rest later if I feel like it.

Not reassuring you don’t appear to know this. The CIA supplied the Afghan guerrillas with weapons to resist the Soviets in Afghanistan. Many of these CIA backed foreign fighters later Joined Al Qaeda in the early 90s- Bin Laden was a Saudi he was not born in Afghanistan- Bin laden family were one of the wealthiest clans in Saudi Arabia. Bin laden family and the Bush family are geopolitical associates and that never reversed.The Soviet Union collapses and swiftly a few years later, new bogeyman on the block is Al Qaeda. It very strange the group would turn on the US when its allies are Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

Al Qaeda is a proxy force ( like Hezbelloh is for Iran) Saudi Arabia, formed them with Pakistan help to do covert missions inside the Middle East and outside the Middle East. It absurd you think the CIA was not aware of this in the decade before 9/11. It does not pop in to your head ever at all the architects and financial sponsors of Al Qaeda have never got invaded or attacked by the United States! Fact is- the CIA and Saudi Arabia still support Al Qaeda today in Yemen and Syria.

Pakistan and Saudi Arabia majority Sunni Muslim. It’s the reason Saudi Arabia and Pakistan sees Iran as a threat it’s Shia Muslim.

CIA lost track of them is a bull**** story. The 19 used their names on their visa application the whole time. How many Saudis would have the same names and background details at these guys? It not like they're looking for some White American males here, is it? You really that naïve that you believe a trillion dollar US intelligence service would be incapable and could not locate them in a few days? It not like they hide or anything.Taking flights lessons how you could miss them anyhow, they stood out!

The CIA dropping smarts bombs on innocent families in the middle east drones, and advanced weapons system, murdering people , killing however many people who died in the towers is an acceptable outcome for psychopaths. They care about money and power and influence- even American people when not a large number.

Cheerful Spring2 · 20-05-2020 5:18pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

4. Larry Silverstein, who was the lease-holder of many of the WTC buildings plotted with his insurance company to blow up at least one of the buildings: WTC 7 (conspiracy justification: he said "pull it" live on national television, which obviously meant blowing up his own buildings)

Larry Silverstein.
I will admit this not a strong case he knew what would happen. He does say pull it on video. Debunkers and truthers have debated back and forth what does he mean by pull it?
What debunkers ignore is he asserted on video a fire chief phoned him on the day, might have to pull down the building. This is Silverstein claim, never verified.
His spokesperson later reversed the original statement and said no, he meant pull firefighters from the building. This statement it not supported by the official evidence- no firefighters were inside the building in the afternoon- but they were nearby fighting fires near WTC5.

Could be a cause of misreport and the Spokeperson confusing events.
WTC7 collapse was announced 40 minutes before it happened. Debunkers of course ignore a girder slipping from its seat at column 79 could not be foretold ahead of time.

Dohnjoe · 20-05-2020 5:23pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Not reassuring you don’t appear to know this. The CIA supplied the Afghan guerrillas with weapons to resist the Soviets in Afghanistan. Many of these CIA backed foreign fighters later Joined Al Qaeda in the early 90s- Bin Laden was a Saudi he was not born in Afghanistan- Bin laden family were one of the wealthiest clans in Saudi Arabia. Bin laden family and the Bush family are geopolitical associates and that never reversed.The Soviet Union collapses and swiftly a few years later, new bogeyman on the block is Al Qaeda. It very strange the group would turn on the US when its allies are Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

Nope. The CIA backed the Afghan Arab fighters in the 80's, there is no evidence that the US and/or the CIA funded or supported Bin Laden's Al Qaeda. But screw details, it's the CIA, they are in on the conspiracy

Al Qaeda is a proxy force ( like Hezbelloh is for Iran) Saudi Arabia, formed them with Pakistan help to do covert missions inside the Middle East and outside the Middle East. It absurd you think the CIA was not aware of this in the decade before 9/11. It does not pop in to your head ever at all the architects and financial sponsors of Al Qaeda have never got invaded or attacked by the United States! Fact is- the CIA and Saudi Arabia still support Al Qaeda today in Yemen and Syria.

Just nope

But hey, it sounds edgy enough, they are in on it

Pakistan and Saudi Arabia majority Sunni Muslim. It’s the reason Saudi Arabia and Pakistan sees Iran as a threat it’s Shia Muslim.

And that childlike appeal to motive is all you need, they're in on the conspiracy!

CIA lost track of them is a bull**** story.

Yeah the CIA is really powerful, they would never screw up and lose track of terrorists, we've all seen the movies. As for their nefarious massive plot..

"General, we've concocted a devilishly complex and risky plan to kill a ton of our countrymen, do you have any friends or family who live in NY York?

"No, I hate the place"

"Great! I'll call Rumsfeld, Cheney, the President, the Paki's, the Saudi Royals, the secret Nazis, our Al Qaeda guys, Larry, NORAD and everyone else and get this ball rolling!"

With all this corona virus stuff going on, does anyone smell an invasion?

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