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Madeleine Mc Cann-A social experiment in Manipulation (mod warning first post)

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  • #52
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    Den_M wrote: »
    These are all horrible theories and rather ludicrous. I hope none of you lose a child and have to go through everything that goes with it.

    Con theories about aliens, chemtrails and other silly crap seem respectable when compared to poring over the grief of parents and letting your imagination run wild.

    Shame on the lot of you

    I totally agree. Disgusting, insensitive and immoral. Shameful.


  • #53
    mulbot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭mulbot


    LorMal wrote: »
    I totally agree. Disgusting, insensitive and immoral. Shameful.

    There are quite a few parts to the whole situation that leave some questioned to be answered so maybe you shouldn't be so quick to assert your opinions on those that have questions-The portuguese police have all of these questions and more,would you say the same to them?


  • #54
    jenny smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭jenny smith


    The Meyer spoofer says you can see movements if you know what to look for. I bet she would not see the movements if she was given people she had never met and see if she can tell if they are lying about something in a double blind test.

    I look at an appeal from people who did not kill their daughter and they are holding hands much the sames as the McCanns which in McCanns case is said to be a bad sign


  • #55
    Smondie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭Smondie


    Disgusting, insensitive and immoral. Shameful.


    I agree. Leaving a four year old to babysit a set of twins so the parents can head out drinking is all of the above.


  • #56
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    mulbot wrote: »
    There are quite a few parts to the whole situation that leave some questioned to be answered so maybe you shouldn't be so quick to assert your opinions on those that have questions-The portuguese police have all of these questions and more,would you say the same to them?

    Absolutely. They made a complete mess of the case


  • #57
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    Smondie wrote: »
    Disgusting, insensitive and immoral. Shameful.


    I agree. Leaving a four year old to babysit a set of twins so the parents can head out drinking is all of the above.

    They were wrong to leave the kids. Totally. It doesn't in any way make them murderers


  • #58
    Smondie
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    LorMal wrote: »
    They were wrong to leave the kids. Totally. It doesn't in any way make them murderers

    True. But all sorts of accidents can happen to neglected children


  • #59
    cadaliac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,903 ✭✭✭cadaliac


    LorMal wrote: »
    They were wrong to leave the kids. Totally. It doesn't in any way make them murderers

    This.
    Understand this simple but powerful statement.
    A lot of loose and unfounded conjecture in this thread.


  • #60
    aphex™
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭aphex™


    LorMal wrote: »
    Absolutely. They made a complete mess of the case

    Nope. They took the top cop off the case as he started poking holes in the story. There was a lot of political pressure from the UK from at least 5 agencies including the cabinet office.

    If I lost my kid I'd go out looking for it rather than call Sky news, but each to their own.

    Regarding rental car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4Ea8TLvuWE


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  • #61
    mulbot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭mulbot


    aphex™ wrote: »
    Nope. They took the top cop off the case as he started poking holes in the story. There was a lot of political pressure from the UK from at least 5 agencies including the cabinet office.

    If I lost my kid I'd go out looking for it rather than call Sky news, but each to their own.

    Regarding rental car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4Ea8TLvuWE

    Exactly,they are still suspects aren't they? Portuguese police were pressured off the case,for what reason?


  • #62
    jenny smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭jenny smith


    aphex™ wrote: »
    Nope. They took the top cop off the case as he started poking holes in the story. There was a lot of political pressure from the UK from at least 5 agencies including the cabinet office.

    If I lost my kid I'd go out looking for it rather than call Sky news, but each to their own.

    Regarding rental car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4Ea8TLvuWE
    What is the reference to the triangle? In one film a friend of the mccans had been filming them at 36.50 said on a trip to Spain, the back of the car had posters of of Madeline, himself and his camera man,- or men I can't hear - and not her body.

    Is this different to the Triangle trips ? The triangle film needs to get rid of the annoying soundtrack and replce with proper narration. Flashing quotes on screen makes it difficult to know what he is referring to. A 45 minute break was not accounted for.? Maybe he went for a coffee. Too many ameteurs playing detective with second hand sources does not impress me and i am not a mccann defender. i do not know what happened


  • #63
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    aphex™ wrote: »
    Nope. They took the top cop off the case as he started poking holes in the story. There was a lot of political pressure from the UK from at least 5 agencies including the cabinet office.

    If I lost my kid I'd go out looking for it rather than call Sky news, but each to their own.

    Regarding rental car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4Ea8TLvuWE

    This nonsense again. All the stupid conspiracy theories have been debunked. Why on earth would these obviously loving parents, kill their own little girl and then magically dispose her body in minutes.
    You're obviously a fantastic parent who has never put a foot wrong.


  • #64
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    mulbot wrote: »
    Exactly,they are still suspects aren't they? Portuguese police were pressured off the case,for what reason?

    Who 'pressured the police off the case?'


  • #65
    aphex™
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭aphex™


    LorMal wrote: »
    This nonsense again. All the stupid conspiracy theories have been debunked. Why on earth would these obviously loving parents, kill their own little girl and then magically dispose her body in minutes.
    You're obviously a fantastic parent who has never put a foot wrong.

    I never said they killed her.


  • #66
    jenny smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭jenny smith


    rucksack wrote: »
    When Hall mentions anyone on the mcanns side he goes into detail about how they have been dishonest.
    But when he talks of the policeman he calls him Dr Amaral and does not mention that Amaral was convicted of having falsified police documents and received an 18-month suspended sentence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Joana_Cipriano

    I do not say Mcanns are innocent but Hall is not objective. He has an agenda. Here is the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PltuL0ICkzs
    He calls the policeman doctor but does not call the McCanns doctor yet they are both doctors. People who rely in their video on Amarall claims do not want to disclose he is at the very least a questionable person. Of course that does not suit their theories so they ignore it


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  • #67
    mulbot
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    LorMal wrote: »
    Who 'pressured the police off the case?'

    The british government-


  • #68
    mulbot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭mulbot


    LorMal wrote: »
    This nonsense again. All the stupid conspiracy theories have been debunked. Why on earth would these obviously loving parents, kill their own little girl and then magically dispose her body in minutes.
    You're obviously a fantastic parent who has never put a foot wrong.

    Are you serious-loving parents? You think loving parents would leave a 4 year old and two small babies alone in an apartment with no supervision whatsoever while they went out drinking and socializing! At the very least,they should be up for child neglect


  • #69
    fin12
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    mulbot wrote: »
    Are you serious-loving parents? You think loving parents would leave a 4 year old and two small babies alone in an apartment with no supervision whatsoever while they went out drinking and socializing! At the very least,they should be up for child neglect

    And it wasn't the first time they left them either alone on the holiday, seemed to be a regular accurance as Kate McCann had said that Madeline had asked her why she wasn't there at night when she was calling for her.


  • #70
    aphex™
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭aphex™


    And there was a babysitting service in the complex for a small fee.


  • #71
    timmy880
    Registered Users Posts: 306 ✭✭timmy880


    A lot of loose and unfounded conjecture in this thread.

    Firstly, this is placed in Conspiracy Theories for a reason... The forum isn't called "100%, real life only, don't ask questions about anything unless you know the answers" forum...

    Secondly, alot of good points have been made so I think its quite interesting reading. The part I've always found most interesting are the questions Kate McCann refused to answer. While those saying "they're not murderers, they were just foolish" may have a point, if your child goes missing I don't think you refuse to answer these questions during an investigation. Especially if they could help find your daughter. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1041635/The-48-questions-Kate-McCann-wouldnt-answer--did.html


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  • #72
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    mulbot wrote: »
    Are you serious-loving parents? You think loving parents would leave a 4 year old and two small babies alone in an apartment with no supervision whatsoever while they went out drinking and socializing! At the very least,they should be up for child neglect

    What would you suggest as punishment? Loss of their daughter not enough? Want to jail them as well? Perhaps burning at the stake?


  • #73
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    mulbot wrote: »
    The british government-

    And how did they do that?


  • #74
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    LorMal wrote: »
    What would you suggest as punishment? Loss of their daughter not enough? Want to jail them as well? Perhaps burning at the stake?

    Thats if you believe she was abducted and they didnt have anything to do with her dissaperance.


  • #75
    jenny smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭jenny smith


    timmy880 wrote: »
    Firstly, this is placed in Conspiracy Theories for a reason... The forum isn't called "100%, real life only, don't ask questions about anything unless you know the answers" forum...

    Secondly, alot of good points have been made so I think its quite interesting reading. The part I've always found most interesting are the questions Kate McCann refused to answer. While those saying "they're not murderers, they were just foolish" may have a point, if your child goes missing I don't think you refuse to answer these questions during an investigation. Especially if they could help find your daughter. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1041635/The-48-questions-Kate-McCann-wouldnt-answer--did.html
    she may have declined to answer as she did not want them anything to stitch her up with


  • #76
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    fin12 wrote: »
    Thats if you believe she was abducted and they didnt have anything to do with her dissaperance.

    And what do you think?


  • #77
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    LorMal wrote: »
    And what do you think?

    That they were involved in her dissaperance, I dont believe they deliberately killed her but are covering up what really happened to her.


  • #78
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    fin12 wrote: »
    That they were involved in her dissaperance, I dont believe they deliberately killed her but are covering up what really happened to her.

    Makes no sense whatsoever.


  • #79
    aphex™
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭aphex™


    Not a lot of evidence to say she was abducted


  • #80
    mulbot
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    LorMal wrote: »
    And how did they do that?

    Well it's obvious that you don't know the involvement of Gordon Brown in the case,also,it also tells a lot when that Clarence Mitchell left his 70 grand a year government job to be PR representative for the McCanns,


  • #81
    mulbot
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    LorMal wrote: »
    What would you suggest as punishment? Loss of their daughter not enough? Want to jail them as well? Perhaps burning at the stake?

    The loss of their daughter happened because of their neglect,I'm not in position to say what the punishment should be for that,but they at least should have been charged with such.


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  • #82
    LorMal
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    mulbot wrote: »
    The loss of their daughter happened because of their neglect,I'm not in position to say what the punishment should be for that,but they at least should have been charged with such.

    Since you are calling for them to be charged, I assume you want them punished.
    Potential punishments for child neglect:
    - their other children taken off them and placed in care?
    - imprisonment for one or both parents?

    You want them charged, so at least be honest and let's hear what punishment you want.
    And while you are at it, have a think about what it must be like to make a stupid mistake like they did and have to lose your beautiful little girl forever as a result.
    (Then put away your pitchfork and have some compassion ffs)


  • #83
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    mulbot wrote: »
    Well it's obvious that you don't know the involvement of Gordon Brown in the case,also,it also tells a lot when that Clarence Mitchell left his 70 grand a year government job to be PR representative for the McCanns,

    A load of mean minded insinuation, rumour, gossip and conjecture.
    This is not your normal keyboard warrior pastime, its far worse. There are people being hurt by this behaviour - parents who have lost their child.
    Shame on you for spreading this.


  • #84
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    aphex™ wrote: »
    Not a lot of evidence to say she was abducted

    What is your alternative which has lots of evidence to support it?


  • #85
    timmy880
    Registered Users Posts: 306 ✭✭timmy880


    A load of mean minded insinuation, rumour, gossip and conjecture.
    This is not your normal keyboard warrior pastime, its far worse. There are people being hurt by this behaviour - parents who have lost their child.
    Shame on you for spreading this.

    I'm not sure the Conspiracy Theory forum is for you.... You're demanding facts, evidence and accusing people of spreading lies. Conspiracy Theory is all about opinion and speculation.


  • #86
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    timmy880 wrote: »
    I'm not sure the Conspiracy Theory forum is for you.... You're demanding facts, evidence and accusing people of spreading lies. Conspiracy Theory is all about opinion and speculation.

    Do I understand you right? The Conspiracy Theory Forum is where you can say anything you like and it is not open to being challenged?
    This is not victimless stuff.
    Enjoy.
    I'm out of here.


  • #87
    Smondie
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    This woman was charged with child abandonment in spain

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1304003/British-mother-abandoned-daughter-Spanish-beach-went-drinking.html

    And this one

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/british-woman-holidaying-spain-arrested-abandoning-9-year-old-twins-go-out-drinking-1573335


    And in Portugal

    Pictured: The British toddler taken into care after being abandoned by her drunken 'teacher' parents in Portugal

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2199146/British-toddler-taken-care-abandoned-drunken-teacher-parents-Portugal.html

    England
    Holiday mother jailed for leaving children 'home alone'
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1479229/Holiday-mother-jailed-for-leaving-children-home-alone.html





    What's so special about the mccann?


    They left thier children in an unlocked apartment while they headed out drinking. Thier children were younger than those who have been arrested


  • #88
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    LorMal wrote: »
    Makes no sense whatsoever.

    well blindly believing what you read in main stream media doesn't make sense either.


  • #89
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    Smondie wrote: »
    This woman was charged with child abandonment in spain

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1304003/British-mother-abandoned-daughter-Spanish-beach-went-drinking.html

    And this one

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/british-woman-holidaying-spain-arrested-abandoning-9-year-old-twins-go-out-drinking-1573335


    And in Portugal

    Pictured: The British toddler taken into care after being abandoned by her drunken 'teacher' parents in Portugal

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2199146/British-toddler-taken-care-abandoned-drunken-teacher-parents-Portugal.html

    England
    Holiday mother jailed for leaving children 'home alone'
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1479229/Holiday-mother-jailed-for-leaving-children-home-alone.html





    What's so special about the mccann?


    They left thier children in an unlocked apartment while they headed out drinking. Thier children were younger than those who have been arrested


    I had to answer this one. Whats so special about the Mc Canns?? THEY LOST THEIR DAUGHTER FOREVER.


  • #90
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    fin12 wrote: »
    well blindly believing what you read in main stream media doesn't make sense either.

    'Blindly'?


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  • #91
    Smondie
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    LorMal wrote: »
    [/B]

    I had to answer this one. Whats so special about the Mc Canns?? THEY LOST THEIR DAUGHTER FOREVER.
    Oh? Forever? I thought she could turn up at any minute. Are you saying she is dead?


  • #92
    mulbot
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    LorMal wrote: »
    A load of mean minded insinuation, rumour, gossip and conjecture.
    This is not your normal keyboard warrior pastime, its far worse. There are people being hurt by this behaviour - parents who have lost their child.
    Shame on you for spreading this.

    You asked who put pressure on the Portuguese and I've explained who did-I'm not spreading anything,I'm giving you as a fact,the answer to the question you asked


  • #93
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    Smondie wrote: »
    Oh? Forever? I thought she could turn up at any minute. Are you saying she is dead?

    Do you think she could turn up at any minute? Of course she is most likely dead.


  • #94
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    mulbot wrote: »
    You asked who put pressure on the Portuguese and I've explained who did-I'm not spreading anything,I'm giving you as a fact,the answer to the question you asked

    Ahem...your previous post read
    'Well it's obvious that you don't know the involvement of Gordon Brown in the case,also,it also tells a lot when that Clarence Mitchell left his 70 grand a year government job to be PR representative for the McCanns',


  • #95
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    LorMal wrote: »
    Do I understand you right? The Conspiracy Theory Forum is where you can say anything you like and it is not open to being challenged?
    This is not victimless stuff.
    Enjoy.
    I'm out of here.

    Your challenging everyone's opinions on this thread so why don't u explain exactly why u believe she was abducted?


  • #96
    mulbot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭mulbot


    LorMal wrote: »
    Ahem...your previous post read
    'Well it's obvious that you don't know the involvement of Gordon Brown in the case,also,it also tells a lot when that Clarence Mitchell left his 70 grand a year government job to be PR representative for the McCanns',

    I know what my post said, I don't understand your reply?


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  • #97
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    fin12 wrote: »
    Your challenging everyone's opinions on this thread so why don't u explain exactly why u believe she was abducted?

    Nobody has expressed any opinion that I can see? Whats yours?


  • #98
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    LorMal wrote: »
    Nobody has expressed any opinion that I can see? Whats yours?

    I already told you what mine was which you said made no sense so again I ask you what is yours?


  • #99
    Smondie
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    LorMal wrote: »
    Do you think she could turn up at any minute? Of course she is most likely dead.

    Abducted and killed you say.


    The parents believe she could turn up any minute. Haven't they released age progression photographs and scotland yard have spent millions looking for her.

    Do you think she was killed the same night she was abducted?


  • #100
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    fin12 wrote: »
    I already told you what mine was which you said made no sense so again I ask you what is yours?

    No you didn't - what is it?


  • #101
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    Smondie wrote: »
    Abducted and killed you say.


    The parents believe she could turn up any minute. Haven't they released age progression photographs and scotland yard have spent millions looking for her.

    Do you think she was killed the same night she was abducted?

    They hold out some hope, what parent wouldn't. Scotland Yard have spent millions on trying to find out what happened.


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