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Galway Airport - mega merge

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  • Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭asdfg!


    Haven't seen it mentioned anywhere else but Skydive Ireland moved it's whole operation to Galway airport lately, operating seven days a week according to it's website. Another operator is using one of the hangars to store it's plane. So things seem to be happening other than the park and ride.

    http://www.skydiveireland.ie/location-galway.php

    Plus jets seem to come and go a lot not to mention the Air Corps who seem to be there every day lately.

    Doesn't look like closing any day soon.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 865 ✭✭✭FlashD


    But can someone entering Galway from the east or that area guarantee themselves a parking spot in dyke rd without getting to Galway by 9:30, I doubt it also they are saving the feul cost of travelling in further

    Bit out of touch there.

    Don't know if you've been to Galway in the last 5 years but the Dyke Rd car park barely makes half full at any time these days.

    Has been like that for a long time....sign of the times and all that!


  • Registered Users Posts: 76 ✭✭Scone190


    asdfg! wrote: »
    Haven't seen it mentioned anywhere else but Skydive Ireland moved it's whole operation to Galway airport lately, operating seven days a week according to it's website. Another operator is using one of the hangars to store it's plane. So things seem to be happening other than the park and ride.

    http://www.skydiveireland.ie/location-galway.php

    Plus jets seem to come and go a lot not to mention the Air Corps who seem to be there every day lately.

    Doesn't look like closing any day soon.

    Yes the airport seems to be going ok still! The skydive Ireland has been there for a few months now and they are always out jumping !!! I see them regularly a few times a day weather permitting over claregalway jumping,cool sight . Also there has been the odd bizjets coming in, recently I saw a netjets hawker 750 into the airport during the snooker at nuig and also a eclipse 500 and a pc12 over the past few months and im sure there has been others I have not seen as Im not always in Galway also Gerry Humphreys has based his commander aircraft there since April afaik http://www.pacnetair.com/aircraft.html .
    And also as always the aeroclub is there too.There is rumours of an airline possibly starting at the airport in the future but I will keep quiet on that till I find out more information . your right it doesn't look like closing any day soon :cool:


  • Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭asdfg!


    Yes that's it, Gerry Humphrey's Commander. Also there was a significant visitor lately. Can't say any more but the word strategic comes to mind.Seem to me that Galway airport won't be allowed to close.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,004 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    I hope the Galway Airport's Park and Ride will be a success. Anything that takes private car's off the city and suburban streets has to be welcomed.
    Anybody know what route the bus is taking to and from town?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    I hope the Galway Airport's Park and Ride will be a success. Anything that takes private car's off the city and suburban streets has to be welcomed.

    Be a little realistic with your hopes there are 600 spaces and there are no stops along the way - so it's of little benefit to anyone in Mervue & Ballybane e.g. Avaya/Nortel, Thermo King, HP & Boston etc. This and the pricing (€5 for min 1 adult & 1 u-16 vs €4 per adult) makes me think it's more of a shopping facilitator than something aimed at commuters.

    Perhaps they'd be better off asking the estates to organise shuttles to & from the airport (PWC & Eastpoint Business Park do this in Dublin).
    Anybody know what route the bus is taking to and from town?

    Dublin Rd probably, IIRC the Christmas P&R used that. Given the unpredictability of the traffic on the Monvea rd (one day little/no traffic, the next it's backed up over 1 mile from Parkmore), I'd say they'll probably use the N18 to get to the motorway and go n that way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,255 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    I just mentioned in the thread for the P&R in Commuting and Transport forum that it would be great if they would designate one coach to run around the hospitals, one to run around the Industrial estates and one to run around the shopping centres (including city centre)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 786 ✭✭✭aw


    Can I be pessimistic realistic and say that this is a ridiculous proposal and will not work?

    The Park and Ride works for Christmas when traffic is worse than normal and parking is tight but on an average week, I highly doubt that people will go out of their way to the airport and pay a whopping four/five euro for the privilege of riding a bus into town when parking may well be cheaper and more convenient.

    Convenience should not be discounted here. People will often pay a couple of euro more to park nearby to their destination and not have to walk to the Coach Station, carrying bags, etc. I would do it!

    It may work if the charge was free/nominal but even then I fear the uptake will be small.

    I wouldn't mind so much if it were a private company, but our tax money has been ploughed into this. Money down the drain I fear but hope I'm wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,831 ✭✭✭dloob


    I have my doubts about what sort of usage this service will get.
    We'll find out in a few weeks I suppose, I'm expecting another western rail corridor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,174 ✭✭✭seanin4711


    I hope the Galway Airport's Park and Ride will be a success. Anything that takes private car's off the city and suburban streets has to be welcomed.
    Anybody know what route the bus is taking to and from town?

    4 quid a pop get all day parking for a fiver in town!
    council dont have a clue on how to run thses ventures.
    anywhere in uk they are one(yes one pound).
    If your going to charge ,charge 2-3 euro and then you might get punters.
    4 euro is too much and also we are lazy and like the comfort of our own car(sadly).
    great idea daft pricing!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,174 ✭✭✭seanin4711


    aw wrote: »
    Can I be pessimistic realistic and say that this is a ridiculous proposal and will not work?

    The Park and Ride works for Christmas when traffic is worse than normal and parking is tight but on an average week, I highly doubt that people will go out of their way to the airport and pay a whopping four/five euro for the privilege of riding a bus into town when parking may well be cheaper and more convenient.

    Convenience should not be discounted here. People will often pay a couple of euro more to park nearby to their destination and not have to walk to the Coach Station, carrying bags, etc. I would do it!

    It may work if the charge was free/nominal but even then I fear the uptake will be small.

    I wouldn't mind so much if it were a private company, but our tax money has been ploughed into this. Money down the drain I fear but hope I'm wrong.

    agree


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,004 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    seanin4711 wrote: »
    4 quid a pop get all day parking for a fiver in town!
    council dont have a clue on how to run thses ventures.
    anywhere in uk they are one(yes one pound).
    If your going to charge ,charge 2-3 euro and then you might get punters.
    4 euro is too much and also we are lazy and like the comfort of our own car(sadly).
    great idea daft pricing!

    It's not Galway City/County Council run? Private Bus operator and Galway Airport's major shareholder is the Galway Chamber of Commerce. City Council are supporting it; with public money but private money been invested here as well.

    Anybody know what the actual route the bus will taking to and from town? Dublin Road or Monivea Road?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 688 ✭✭✭Aerohead


    Passed by the Airport recently and there was a lovely US registered jet there so it is working away , Coastguard helicopters and as mentioned the Air Corps are regular visitors for fuel etc. The Air Corps helicopter that comes into the hospital on a daily basis now is a great service and makes great use of the Airport for fuel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    It's not Galway City/County Council run?

    No it's being run on behalf of the Chamber of Commerce - which is not part of the city council - by Farrell Travel (under a trading name).

    I haven't seen the buses come in the Monivea Road, so I presume they are going Dublin Rd.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,084 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    I spotted two going up the Moivea Rd yesterday (Coach Station to Airport). Don't know about the inbound route.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 786 ✭✭✭aw


    Pic courtesy of Jimmy Norman earlier today.
    Jimmy Norman ‏@JimmyNorman

    Park and ride off to a flying start at #Galway airport. 3 cars.

    BKNkGrFCMAAwzNC.jpg


  • Registered Users Posts: 739 ✭✭✭flynnlives


    i saw one of the buses leaving the airport yesterday and not a soul on board.

    a complete waste of time and money.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    Galway Car Park
    now with airport attached


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    I spotted two going up the Moivea Rd yesterday (Coach Station to Airport). Don't know about the inbound route.

    At 5pm yesterday they were going in the Monivea Rd. Can't see them doing that in the morning though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭asdfg!


    antoobrien wrote: »
    At 5pm yesterday they were going in the Monivea Rd. Can't see them doing that in the morning though.
    Saw a couple this morning on the Monivea Road, empty. They would be better off on the Tuam road inbound in the mornings though. That's a tip for drivers too.:)

    I too have doubts about the idea myself. But it's worth a try. Can't see it being very busy except at Christmas though. A lot of commuters already have their parking sorted long ago. Certain housing estates near Bus Eireann stops seem to have a lot of cars which disappear at going home time.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,004 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    asdfg! wrote: »
    Certain housing estates near Bus Eireann stops seem to have a lot of cars which disappear at going home time.

    Do tell? East or West side of the city?


  • Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭asdfg!


    Do tell? East or West side of the city?
    Eastish and no more clues, don't want to attract anymore.;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 739 ✭✭✭flynnlives


    when this obviously fails the council and whomever will put out a press release saying "they were dissappointted with the uptake" ie blame the public for not using their ill thought out plan.

    Im sure they will also use this in some way to also not properly run or put in the infastructure for the oranmore rail station even tho that as been poorly thought out as well.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    flynnlives wrote: »
    i saw one of the buses leaving the airport yesterday and not a soul on board.

    a complete waste of time and money.

    I wouldn't say so. If it fails it will hopefully be a very direct wake up call to the Chamber of Commerce. It would hopefully wake them up to the fact that car parking oversupply in the city centre has direct negative implications for measures to alleviate traffic congestion.

    It might even wake them up to the idea that car-parking provision is a direct source of traffic congestion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,004 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    asdfg! wrote: »
    Eastish and no more clues, don't want to attract anymore.;)

    So there is a park and ride of sorts going on here then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,004 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    I wouldn't say so. If it fails it will hopefully be a very direct wake up call to the Chamber of Commerce. It would hopefully wake them up to the fact that car parking oversupply in the city centre has direct negative implications for measures to alleviate traffic congestion.

    It might even wake them up to the idea that car-parking provision is a direct source of traffic congestion.

    Excellent point.
    To many vested interests making money from car parking in the city for the park and ride to take off; City Council are included in those vested interests.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,272 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    So there is a park and ride of sorts going on here then.
    Its happened down at the front of Tirellan for a number of years, not sure if it still is happening.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    car parking oversupply in the city centre

    I shouldn't bite but cop on - it's so hard to get parking in the center of town that poeple are going to Athlone to shop instead of Galway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭ratracer


    antoobrien wrote: »
    I shouldn't bite but cop on - it's so hard to get parking in the center of town that poeple are going to Athlone to shop instead of Galway.

    Seriously??
    When did you last try to park in Galway? There is never a problem and rarely a full sign in any of the multi storey car parks. (Maybe Debenhams on a Saturday morning). It may be difficult to get on street parking, but there is definitly not a problem finding a parking space in Galway for the vast majority of the year.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    ratracer wrote: »
    Seriously??
    When did you last try to park in Galway? There is never a problem and rarely a full sign in any of the multi storey car parks. (Maybe Debenhams on a Saturday morning). It may be difficult to get on street parking, but there is definitly not a problem finding a parking space in Galway for the vast majority of the year.

    Nearly every time I pass Roaches (deb'nams for the blow ins), the co buildings car park & the dyke are full/have long queues. That's not indicative of an "no problems" finding spaces.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,272 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    antoobrien wrote: »
    Nearly every time I pass Roaches (deb'nams for the blow ins), the co buildings car park & the dyke are full/have long queues. That's not indicative of an "no problems" finding spaces.

    Anto shtop will ya, the Dyke Rd hasnt had regular queues bar Xmas for about 3 years now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    Anto shtop will ya, the Dyke Rd hasnt had regular queues bar Xmas for about 3 years now.

    It did last time I was down there (March ish).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭ratracer


    antoobrien wrote: »
    Nearly every time I pass Roaches (deb'nams for the blow ins), the co buildings car park & the dyke are full/have long queues. That's not indicative of an "no problems" finding spaces.

    We'll have to agree to disagree so Anto. As I'd posted, I only see Debenhams full maybe on a saturday morning. Dyke Rd is rarely full. I agree with the council car park, that is normally full early on a saturday. For the rest of the week though is that car park not reserved for council staff and closed to the public?
    Merchants Rd, Eyre Sq Centre, Jurys car parks are rarely full.

    At weekends St Pats and the Bish are handy enough places to get in, there may be a small queue, I normally bypass these if there is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    ratracer wrote: »
    For the rest of the week though is that car park not reserved for council staff and closed to the public?

    Don't think so, but open to correction.
    ratracer wrote: »
    Merchants Rd, Eyre Sq Centre, Jurys car parks are rarely full.

    The car park in eyre square is somewhere we brought the car once in the 90s when it opened, never again. Apart from the fact that it's very hard to get to (along with Juries and hynes's yard (where I would park if I could), it's a snasty twisty little spot that's well useless for cars. I've heard the same complaints about juries. Perhaps we should putt the market and cycle parking in there instead;)

    Gee I wonder why, could it be that they are hard to get to?
    ratracer wrote: »
    At weekends St Pats and the Bish are handy enough places to get in, there may be a small queue, I normally bypass these if there is.

    I rarely go that side of the square, it's a bit of a last resort to go over there unless I have to pick up something in the area that I couldn't carry (very rare) - which is usually the only reason I bring the car anyways. Otherwise with so many other spots to try (including leaving mam the spare car key while she does the grocery shopping), why would I head over that way (rhetorical question, I wouldn't).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭ratracer


    antoobrien wrote: »
    I shouldn't bite but cop on - it's so hard to get parking in the center of town that poeple are going to Athlone to shop instead of Galway.
    antoobrien wrote: »
    Don't think so, but open to correction.



    The car park in eyre square is somewhere we brought the car once in the 90s when it opened, never again. Apart from the fact that it's very hard to get to (along with Juries and hynes's yard (where I would park if I could), it's a snasty twisty little spot that's well useless for cars. I've heard the same complaints about juries. Perhaps we should putt the market and cycle parking in there instead;)

    Gee I wonder why, could it be that they are hard to get to?



    I rarely go that side of the square, it's a bit of a last resort to go over there unless I have to pick up something in the area that I couldn't carry (very rare) - which is usually the only reason I bring the car anyways. Otherwise with so many other spots to try (including leaving mam the spare car key while she does the grocery shopping), why would I head over that way (rhetorical question, I wouldn't).

    So you're original quote should have been 'it's hard to get parking where I want to park' as opposed to the over supply of parking in town in general?

    I would have agreed with you about the car park in the Eyre Sq Centre, it used to be layed out very poorly, but since it's recen take over they have changed the parking layout and travel lines on the smaller floors and it is much more user friendly now. Jury's is still a crap car park.

    This is the problem with park and ride IMO. If I am going into town shopping, I want my car parked close to where I am shopping so that I don't have to carry my bags around with me all day. I understand I have to pay for this privilege and sitting in traffic is one of the downsides to this. I will still take this anyday over driving to GA, parking my car getting a bus in and lugging stuff around the town all day. Even if it was free I wouldn't avail of the P&R service.

    And to get back OT, I think this is a monumentous waste of money since it doesn't cater for people going to work in the Ind Est's who might have actually used the service.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    ratracer wrote: »
    So you're original quote should have been 'it's hard to get parking where I want to park' as opposed to the over supply of parking in town in general?

    Nope, I believe both are the case. Let me make it clearer: I don't think there are enough car parking spaces and I think they are badly sited. A good example of this is the complaint by coach operators a few weeks/months back that the bus parking at the cathedral is too far away from the shopping district (that's a but of a wtf to me but if it's full of older people...) and is costing Galway business.

    There will be times when parking is not used (most monday mornings aren't the busiest for shopping as there are a lot of people working that can't shop then) but then we don't provide fixed infrastructure (of which car parks are an example) based on the lowest levels of expected use either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,084 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    asdfg! wrote: »
    Certain housing estates near Bus Eireann stops seem to have a lot of cars which disappear at going home time.

    Are they parked legally? If so, then I cannot see the problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,084 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    antoobrien wrote: »
    It did last time I was down there (March ish).

    Ok, so they should have said "bar Christmas or Paddies' Day".

    I've never seen Hynes Yard full, and only rarely the Eyre Square Centre carpark.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Does it really matter whether city centre car parks are jammed or not?
    A park and ride at Galway airport is the predicted utter load of codswallop everyone except the fly boys said it would be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    Ok, so they should have said "bar Christmas or Paddies' Day".

    The week after actually (had to check my credit card for the stuff I bought at the time).
    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    A park and ride at Galway airport is the predicted utter load of codswallop everyone except the fly boys said it would be.

    Ah come on now, I'm as skeptical as the next lad but 3 1/3 days is a bit early to be crying failure. Though it was funny to see (what seemed like) heavier traffic on Tuesday with BE buses running than Monday with the strike.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    antoobrien wrote: »
    Though it was funny to see (what seemed like) heavier traffic on Tuesday with BE buses running than Monday with the strike.
    That reminds me of what they used to say about the old CIE strikes. Since they still got subsidized and didn't have to pay salaries during the strikes, it was the only time they operated at a profit...:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,004 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    antoobrien wrote: »
    Nope, I believe both are the case. Let me make it clearer: I don't think there are enough car parking spaces and I think they are badly sited. A good example of this is the complaint by coach operators a few weeks/months back that the bus parking at the cathedral is too far away from the shopping district (that's a but of a wtf to me but if it's full of older people...) and is costing Galway business.
    Thats a very bad example. The point re Bus parking is valid - but how is this a good eample of not enough car parking spaces?

    More car parking in Galway City centre will only lead to further traffic congestion. If less provision of car parking in the city centre then a park and ride is more likely to work. See galwaycyclists post earlier.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    Thats a very bad example. The point re Bus parking is valid - but how is this a good eample of not enough car parking spaces?

    Not really it's all the same set of symptoms - too far to walk to get where one is going. After all, you're not going to park in the dyke if you're doing the grocery shopping are you? Certain car parks are fine if you have certain trip requirements and certain ones are not.
    More car parking in Galway City centre will only lead to further traffic congestion. If less provision of car parking in the city centre then a park and ride is more likely to work. See galwaycyclists post earlier.

    More car parking in the right places will reduce congestion because it will remove cars trying to get access to car parks from the roads. Hypothetical situation - remove parking from Argos & Lidl and extend the dyke rd by 30/40 spaces (whatever the capacity is) with refunds provided for the shop users (so as not to cost them extra). Traffic trying to get to Lidl no longer blocks the headford rd. Congestion increased - no.


  • Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭asdfg!


    Are they parked legally? If so, then I cannot see the problem.
    It isn't a problem merely an observation.

    As for extra parking causing congestion, now we all know that the problem is actually the lack of a bypass and appallingly bad traffic management in Galway.

    In any case it's not realistic to try and reduce parking space in the city because frankly it's very lucrative for the providers.

    If and it's a big if, there was fast, efficient and inexpensive bus service. You might get people out of their cars. But my own experience of the buses borders on the nightmarish. Of course the cycling enthusiasts want us all on two wheels. But that's fantasy people are not going to migrate en masse to bicycles no matter how attractive it's made.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    antoobrien wrote: »
    Not really it's all the same set of symptoms - too far to walk to get where one is going. After all, you're not going to park in the dyke if you're doing the grocery shopping are you? Certain car parks are fine if you have certain trip requirements and certain ones are not.

    OK people doing grocery shopping are not generally the target market for Park and Ride services.

    The usual target is commuters whose cars sit there doing nothing between 9 and 5.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    asdfg! wrote: »
    If and it's a big if, there was fast, efficient and inexpensive bus service. You might get people out of their cars. But my own experience of the buses borders on the nightmarish. Of course the cycling enthusiasts want us all on two wheels. But that's fantasy people are not going to migrate en masse to bicycles no matter how attractive it's made.

    Exactly right. People will not migrate to the alternatives if the main focus is going into making it easier and more convenient to use private cars.

    Dutch people don't cycle only because its more attractive - they cycle because it is harder and more expensive to use a private car for commuter trips than to cycle.

    That's the way it has to be if you want a city that works for everyone. Otherwise the cars just grow to fill all the available space.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,797 ✭✭✭Shane St.


    When I heard about this and the amount of buses running to and from the airport I just couldn't believe it. This was just such a bad idea. What a waste. I live out near the airport and it is convenient for me if I need a bus but running buses every 30mins is just a disaster.


  • Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭asdfg!


    Well I don't know whether she used the park and ride but the flying nun definitely put the airport on the map. With her on every news bulletin and the the Late Late. Galway airport is open as far as everyone else can see.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,797 ✭✭✭Shane St.


    Where do these buses go from town?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,970 ✭✭✭Storm 10


    I saw two of the Airport buses on Saturday evening going into the Airport and they were pretty full up so it looks like that people going into the City from the East are using them for shopping etc.


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