Terminator: Dark Fate **Spoilers from post 983**

Just on another note, I was wondering during the movie how a Terminator could grow a conscience when it is said in T2 that Skynet specifically turns off their leaning CPU, but only read that was only in the special edition and the theatrical version is canon. I blame seeing T2 in the cinema not too long ago!

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Surely if she's to convincingly go toe-to-toe with an unstoppable killing machine then she'd have to be at least somewhat imposing? Honestly, I think you're seriously overthinking this.

Grace is too big. Also Dani is too small.

pixelburp wrote: »

Frankly I'm annoyed: I'm checking my "outrage bingo" card, and wondering who forgot to add "tampons!" to it.

I hope you still have it handy anyway.

Corvo wrote: »

Just on another note, I was wondering during the movie how a Terminator could grow a conscience when it is said in T2 that Skynet specifically turns off their leaning CPU, but only read that was only in the special edition and the theatrical version is canon. I blame seeing T2 in the cinema not too long ago!

Best not to think about anything in this movie tbh.

Just back.... thought it was crap.

but fell in love with the blonde!! those eyes

I'm mixed on this. It's undeniably very enjoyable but then again so was Genisys despite it's major flaws. I'd say it'd be unfair to lump this in with Genisys though, it's a better film though it has similar problems, particularly a huge over-reliance on CGI and radically OTT set pieces.

I wish they would go back to a low-key, body horror thriller like the first movie and give it a proper reboot that wouldn't cost much to pull off and carry little to no risk. Like what did Dark Fate cost, $200 million? 10% of that would make an excellent film in the vein of the original.

Anyway, back to Dark Fate. As someone who finds Genisys a pretty 'OK' film, this one has the same unfortunate in-your-face CGI approach, but the script is better, as are the characters and acting, which automatically elevates it above its predecessor.

I find it strange that Arnie plays essentially the same character in both but he's so much better in this, even if the back-story's incredibly flimsy in this one, more so than Genisys. I wasn't buying into it at all initially but they kinda pulled it back when we get to the point where Arnie admits he cannot feel love like humans do and I felt it earned a pass, though it could've done with a little more exposition in the credibility department. He is good overall though with some great lines, as much as I feel like the franchise needs to cut that cord, Arnie is the best part of the movie (as he has been in every entry at this point).

I see a lot of people praising the first 30 minutes but I have to admit I didn't love it, much preferred the middle section. I did however like the scene where John gets whacked, best use of CGI in the movie hands down. I found a lot of the movie generally way too over-designed and reliant on CGI driven spectacle.....the action just felt disconnected, weightless, and far too 'been there, done that', run-of-the-mill blockbuster stuff....nothing at all like the sense of real presence felt in T1 or T2.

The whole franchise is constantly trying to outdo itself with the ridiculous constant evolution of Terminators to be 'bigger and better' until they start to become farcical and resemble something from hundreds of years into the future (or a Marvel movie) rather than a few decades. They were at their best in T1 and T2, they need to go back to that particular well rather than try and crossover into the comic book realm, which they've been doing since T3. This is what annoys me most about the newer movies.

Overall a grand movie, somewhat better than T3 or Genisys, a lot better than Salvation, but still just an average sequel that's far too reliant on in-your-face CGI spectacle. That doesn't make it bad, I'd say it's one of those unremarkable but solid 3/5 type movies that passes the time handily enough.

Also was it just me or were the future scenes quite naff? The ones in Genisys are a lot better by comparison, having watched it the other day in anticipation of Dark Fate.

They need to strip the fat from this franchise if they want to continue, bring it back to what made it great. A simple but incredibly well told horror-thriller-action story about tangible, not-over-elaborate robot killers from the future posing as humans to exterminate threats to Skynet's reign over the remains of the earth. None of this check-box stuff with ridiculous explosion/set piece/over-engineered opponent/etc quotas.

Anyway, Dark Fate. A grand, functional movie but another unremarkable Terminator sequel as expected.

Interesting enough take on it, among the points that the Dyson family should have been in this movie given their role in T2

Some good calls by Grace.

Gwynplaine wrote: »

Anyone notice the music playing at the lads bbq when the terminator dropped out of the sky?

I did!

Major Dean IIRC.

Mentioned off camera as someone she knew, shows his arrival, even a small pan reveal as he gets out of the vehicle, back'n'forth with Sarah, appears with the predictably-unuseful macguffin......before handily buggerring off.

Smacks of a missing scene, maybe a deleted scene for the home release, some might say........but I'd argue they're being way too kind.......dreadful nonsensical filler to move on the predictable plot would be more accurate IMO, especially given the lamentable quality of proceedings up to and after.

Spent a few mins looking for some mention of the character in other sources, as a slight nod to something, but nothing. Like most, I immediately thought it'd be the young Dyson, grown up and irregularly in contact with Sarah.

Same CinemaScore from the Audiences that went to see it as the Audience who went to see Joker:
https://twitter.com/CinemaScore/status/1190661033699889152